2016 DB Prospect Thread

[Cillmatic]

I hyped him as well lol. It's crazy everyone was hyping vh3 over Ramsey and suddenly it reversed for everyone

And the funniest thing NEITHER of them turned out to be good prospects in the end. VH3 has had a terrible final 2-3 games.

[ravensnick]

And the funniest thing NEITHER of them turned out to be good prospects in the end. VH3 has had a terrible final 2-3 games.

I guess the rest of his three year career doesn't matter? Both are still very good prospects. I'd prefer Ramsey over Hargreaves, but I'd eagerly take either. They are both two of the finer secondary players in the nation. 

Edited January 3, 2016 by ravensnick

[Cillmatic]

I guess the rest of his three year career doesn't matter? Both are still very good prospects. I'd prefer Ramsey over Hargreaves, but I'd eagerly take either. They are both two of the finer secondary players in the nation.

1. Hargreaves is struggling against young players who are average NFL height and speed and play physical. He's not gonna last long in the NFL if he can't cover them, being dominate in college doesn't mean you'll be good in the NFL.

2. Give me a reason why you like Ramsey besides his bad footwork and impractical safety play.

Edited January 3, 2016 by Cillmatic

[ravensnick]

1. Hargreaves is struggling against young players who are average NFL height and speed and play physical. He's not gonna last long in the NFL if he can't cover them, being dominate in college doesn't mean you'll be good in the NFL.

2. Give me a reason why you like Ramsey besides his bad footwork and impractical safety play.

 

1. Let's review the other first round corners. If you feel that way about Hargreaves, then King and White must be absolutely awful as well, White especially. That leaves Alexander, who I agree is underrated, but some of his weakness get covered up by Clemson's god mode pass rush.

 

2. Athletic (obvious), physical player. Very, very good at press man cover and blitzing. Not as good at off man or zone coverage, but not bad either. Shows a nice range at the safety position and works well in space. Actually tackles, using good form, unlike many secondary player in the NFL. Decent ball skills. Played with a ton, with a lot of other talented prospects (such as Ronald Darby, PJ Williams, Terrence Brooks), but outshone them all. If he isn't a top of the first round prospect, there are no top of the first round prospect. 

Edited January 4, 2016 by ravensnick

[Cillmatic]

1. Let's review the other first round corners. If you feel that way about Hargreaves, then King and White must be absolutely awful as well, White especially. That leaves Alexander, who I agree is underrated, but some of his weakness get covered up by Clemson's god mode pass rush.

2. Athletic (obvious), physical player. Very, very good at press man cover and blitzing. Not as good at off man or zone coverage, but not bad either. Shows a nice range at the safety position and works well in space. Actually tackles, using good form, unlike many secondary player in the NFL. Decent ball skills. Played with a ton, with a lot of other talented prospects (such as Ronald Darby, PJ Williams, Terrence Brooks), but outshone them all. If he isn't a top of the first round prospect, there are no top of the first round prospect.

What's the point of being an athlete if you fall for double moves and can't backpedal at CB. He RARELY took true FS snaps. Those decent ball skills haven't shown up recently as he had zero picks this season. Anything else? Edited January 4, 2016 by Cillmatic

[rmw10]

So if Ramsey, Hargreaves, Bosa, etc. are all overrated, who is worth a top pick this year?  All I'm seeing are the negatives on these guys lately.  If they aren't worth the pick, someone else has to be, so who is it?

Edited January 4, 2016 by rmw10

[Cillmatic]

So if Ramsey, Hargreaves, Bosa, etc. are all overrated, who is worth a top pick this year?

I've been saying since day 1 that this is a bad draft class. Best thing I'd do is trade down and get a great coverage MLB or Treadwell.

Ravens picked the wrong year to be bad.

Edited January 4, 2016 by Cillmatic

[rmw10]

I've been saying since day 1 that this is a bad draft class. Best thing I'd do is trade down and get a good coverage MLB or Treadwell.

 

And then begs the question that if we don't think it's worth it, then why would another team give up an extra pick(s) to move up and get someone in a "bad" draft class?  It takes two to make a deal.  Sure, it might only take 1 team to want a guy, but it still takes 2 to make a trade.  I feel like there's a big assumption (and not just this year, it's been every year) that there's always a willing trade partner.

[allblackraven]

So if Ramsey, Hargreaves, Bosa, etc. are all overrated, who is worth a top pick this year?  All I'm seeing are the negatives on these guys lately.  If they aren't worth the pick, someone else has to be, so who is it?

Maybe we should defer?

[Cillmatic]

And then begs the question that if we don't think it's worth it, then why would another team give up an extra pick(s) to move up and get someone in a "bad" draft class? It takes two to make a deal. Sure, it might only take 1 team to want a guy, but it still takes 2 to make a trade. I feel like there's a big assumption (and not just this year, it's been every year) that there's always a willing trade partner.

There will always be dumb teams in the NFL. We may be in position to draft Goff, we draft right before the miners, no way he gets past them. That will cause a lot of teams to want our pick.

[Cillmatic]

Maybe we should defer?

The Cleveland method.

[rmw10]

There will always be dumb teams in the NFL. We may be in position to draft Goff, we draft right before the miners, no way he gets past them. That will cause a lot of teams to want our pick.

 

Then it shows that you're incredibly naive if you think there are a significant amount of "dumb" teams in the NFL.  I'll give you Cleveland, but teams aren't in the business of just throwing away draft picks for the hell of it.

[Cillmatic]

Then it shows that you're incredibly naive if you think there are a significant amount of "dumb" teams in the NFL. I'll give you Cleveland, but teams aren't in the business of just throwing away draft picks for the hell of it.

When did I ever say "significant".... I said there will always be teams willing to trade up when they see something they like.

Then I said that a lot of QB needy teams might want a QB.

Name calling doesn't make your point anymore logical, only shows reaching.

Edited January 4, 2016 by Cillmatic

[pechillo]

keep an eye on Sean Davis at the senior bowl, CB Maryland. Also, Deon Bush S Miami and Karl Joseph S WVU. my favorite mid round prospects at DB

[GrimCoconut]

If we could trade back four times I would in the first round if it meant we could get four second round picks lol.

[rmw10]

When did I ever say "significant".... I just said there will always be teams willing to trade up when they see something they like. Name calling doesn't make your point anymore logical..

 

But in a "bad" draft class?  That's my point.  There's this assumption that if we don't find value in a player, someone else will and that they'd be willing to give up extra picks to get that player.  There are always trades but it's not as simple as wanting to trade down and actually being able to do so.

[RavensFanMania]

If we could trade back four times I would in the first round if it meant we could get four second round picks lol.

no thank you. lol

[GrimCoconut]

no thank you. lol

Why not? If we could still keep our first wouldn't you? I think this draft really lacks talent and don't see a lot of difference atm at the top. There are certainly some good players available at the top, though.

[ravensnick]

Why not? If we could still keep our first wouldn't you? I think this draft really lacks talent and don't see a lot of difference atm at the top. There are certainly some good players available at the top, though.

I feel mixed about this draft. Really good DB talent, lots of quality edge rushers, ILB talent, and some nice OTs. Everything else is pretty meh at best. 

[RavensFanMania]

Why not? If we could still keep our first wouldn't you? I think this draft really lacks talent and don't see a lot of difference atm at the top. There are certainly some good players available at the top, though.

Yes, if we could keep our 1st than that is fine.  Thought you were trading down and out of the first round

[BmoreBird22]

The more I've discussed Ramsey, the more I would not mind him as a SS in Baltimore next to Webb.

He's an explosive athlete with some real punch to his form tackles. He's lightning fast with insane closing speed. He's got a good idea of how to blitz and he really understands how to get off blocks. He's very willing in run support.

I truly believe with his size and speed at the SS position, he could be an answer for covering backs out of the backfield or tight ends instead of having to take a linebacker top 10.

I know the Ravens have Hill, but he was getting rotated out quite a bit and he was having a terrible showing in coverage lately. They didn't make a huge financial commitment to him, either.

I'd be up for it

[GrimCoconut]

The more I've discussed Ramsey, the more I would not mind him as a SS in Baltimore next to Webb.

He's an explosive athlete with some real punch to his form tackles. He's lightning fast with insane closing speed. He's got a good idea of how to blitz and he really understands how to get off blocks. He's very willing in run support.

I truly believe with his size and speed at the SS position, he could be an answer for covering backs out of the backfield or tight ends instead of having to take a linebacker top 10.

I know the Ravens have Hill, but he was getting rotated out quite a bit and he was having a terrible showing in coverage lately. They didn't make a huge financial commitment to him, either.

I'd be up for it

I think Ramsey can play CB, actually. He really reminds me of an Aqib Talib or even a Marcus Peters. I don't think he's as polished as Peters, but the attitude and ability to press are there. His backpedal is OK, but those hips of his are smooth, man. He turns them really well. I think he could do great across from Jimmy. I also think that he may be able to become a better FS in time. There are many FS that started as SS. He's an exceptional athlete. The biggest gripe I have is his ability to get the turnover. He, like Brooks, gets his hands on the football but fails to convert it and take it away from the other team. I'm not sure if it's correctable. I think it may be an FSU thing, though.

[BmoreBird22]

I think Ramsey can play CB, actually. 

You can see me discuss his potential as a cornerback in this very thread, I believe.

Edited January 4, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[GrimCoconut]

You can see me discuss his potential as a cornerback in this very thread, I believe.

I went looking but didn't see it. Not sure how far back it is. I admittedly went back I think 2-3 pages. 

 

I guess we both agree, though. Lol

[BmoreBird22]

I went looking but didn't see it. Not sure how far back it is. I admittedly went back I think 2-3 pages. 

 

I guess we both agree, though. Lol

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[ellicottraven]

We have a really good chance at trading back for this reason. Since the 49ers are picking 7th right after us and are in dire need of a QB, I can see some team wanting to trade ahead of them to land a QB that has begun to slide. What do you guys think? Philly maybe? Or St. Louis?

[DynastyofBaltimore]

Everyone still want Ramsey now that we got the top 10 pick lol

[DynastyofBaltimore]

I don't know much about the prospects at all yet. I have time to watch tape but I think it'd be easier to ask. 

If we could get a CB like Ramsey in the first, would he be best suited at CB or S now that the year is done? 

Are there any true corners that could unseat Webb and lock down the side of the field after a year or two in the league in this draft? When my friends started talking about Ramsey, they said he'd be on the other side of the field across from Jimmy, Arrington having another year would help him, Kendrick Lewis and Will Hill could also have another year to gel and the secondary would be good enough, but if not we could always pick Su'a Cravens in the second since we pick so low. But that would for sure fix our secondary. I don't know if any of this is wishful thinking, I don't know if Su'a Cravens is even good. 

[NewJerseyRavens]

Don't we already have a very high level athlete in Terrance Brooks at S that can't get on the field? Not sure Ramsey is a difference maker to our defense.  

[52520Andrew]

And then begs the question that if we don't think it's worth it, then why would another team give up an extra pick(s) to move up and get someone in a "bad" draft class? It takes two to make a deal. Sure, it might only take 1 team to want a guy, but it still takes 2 to make a trade. I feel like there's a big assumption (and not just this year, it's been every year) that there's always a willing trade partner.

If only I had a dollar for every time you said this