2016 DB Prospect Thread

[JoeKnows]

Thought id drop this here.

 

[January J]

Thought id drop this here.

 

Hargreaves has the second highest completion percentage but he also has very few targets. But yeah that does help the case for Alexander and Lewis. 84 targets with a 34 % completion percentage is pretty damn good.

[JoeyFlex5]

ive said it over and over, i think alexander is every bit as good as hargreaves and may even have the higher ceiling if he has the ball skills that he has not yet had the chance to show, he is the more athletic of the 2, they are about equal in terms of fluidity, i would think alexander has the edge in size by a small bit, and the mental game seems to be about equal even though alexander is far less experienced. the only place where hargreaves appears to really top him is in ball skills, and he is pretty darn good in that area but then again he has been beaten  due to his size and alexander hasnt really even gotten a chance to prove whether or not he has the ball skills, cant hold that against him. 

 

also, i think it is in our best interest to pass on db in the first, of course assuming we lose out and are picking at 3 or 4. in the early second, there is almost a guarantee that one db of a very impressive list of db's falls to us, that list is... 

mackensie alexander 

eli apple 

kendall fuller 

jayron kearse 

tre'davious white 

 

if any of these guys are on the board for our 2nd round pick then i would find it hard to pass up, i think it would take a HUGE slider  to bypass any one of these guys on our 2nd round board.

[Cillmatic]

ive said it over and over, i think alexander is every bit as good as hargreaves and may even have the higher ceiling if he has the ball skills that he has not yet had the chance to show, he is the more athletic of the 2, they are about equal in terms of fluidity, i would think alexander has the edge in size by a small bit, and the mental game seems to be about equal even though alexander is far less experienced. the only place where hargreaves appears to really top him is in ball skills, and he is pretty darn good in that area but then again he has been beaten due to his size and alexander hasnt really even gotten a chance to prove whether or not he has the ball skills, cant hold that against him.

also, i think it is in our best interest to pass on db in the first, of course assuming we lose out and are picking at 3 or 4. in the early second, there is almost a guarantee that one db of a very impressive list of db's falls to us, that list is...

mackensie alexander

eli apple

kendall fuller

jayron kearse

tre'davious white

if any of these guys are on the board for our 2nd round pick then i would find it hard to pass up, i think it would take a HUGE slider to bypass any one of these guys on our 2nd round board.

You've got my attention. I'll look into that Alexander guy. He's smaller than Hargreaves though. Edited December 24, 2015 by Cillmatic

[JoeyFlex5]

You've got my attention. I'll look into that Alexander guy. He's smaller than Hargreaves though.

is he really? i figured they would at least be equal. 

 

and yea he isnt as much of a finished product it seems, he is only a sophomore if im not mistaken but he is smooth as butter with great closing speed and seems to be real savvy and just sticks to his man like glue, receivers just dont seem to be able to shake the guy

Edited December 24, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[ravensnation5220]

is he really? i figured they would at least be equal.

and yea he isnt as much of a finished product it seems, he is only a sophomore if im not mistaken but he is smooth as butter with great closing speed and seems to be real savvy and just sticks to his man like glue, receivers just dont seem to be able to shake the guy

well he is listed as 5-10 and ive seen a good amount of film. Hes not as good as a tackler as vh3 but the kid has some ridiculous man skills, hes allowed what i believe is a league low 31% completion percentage and was targeted less than vh3. The only knock i have against that is his yards per completion is a bit over 18 and he has yet to get a pick. If theres any knock on him too me would be finding the ball when its in the air youl see him get lost a few times on deep balls. Other than than those 3 issues i have (tackling, ball skills, and downfeild coverage) the only problem with that is he doesnt have many opportunities to prove me wronge on any of those 3

I have to add that even though hes only a redshirt sophmore he is 22 years old which is kinda surprising

Edited December 24, 2015 by ravensnation5220

[ravensnation5220]

My top 5 corner prospects this year would probably be

1. Vh3, he gets the nod over alexander for me because of his picks and has proven ball skills otherwise they are equals to me, he is probably a better tackler as well

2.Mackensie alexander-maybe the best cover man in the country and hes not afraid to say it and hell back it up with his play and hard work.

3.Desmond King-i know a lot of people wont agree but i think this kid is a natural although a bit raw (he can get turned around with a good route), and hes not a one hit wonder like a lot of folks might think. Hes a solid tackler and has a nack for locating the ball in the air which is something we really need. I know he looks better as a safety but i feel corner is his true position and thats what well be drafting for when looking at these kids

4.Tradavious white-lsu always seems to breed these perfect dbs for the nfl in terms of athleticism and white has it all, hes built strong and can handle any kind of reciever he just seems a bit raw but then again i haven't seen much tape on him yet

5. Jalen ramsey-not a true corner in my eyes, has plenty of potential but his competition this year was weak as can be. He dominated receivers at the line till 10 yards and blitzes like crazy (i think i counted more than 10 blitzes by him vs nc state which is crazy for a corner)

Please let me know if i missed someone. Im thinking of making a big board.

[JoeyFlex5]

i agree with ur assessment of alexander, most of his issues we dont even know if they are real issues or not because he is so rarely targeted. he is impressive though. 

 

as for your cb board, i would put tredavious at 3rd, with eli apple and kendall fuller rounding out the top 5, i see king as more of a hybrid guy and i see ramsey strictly as an attacking SS, he does not have the foot mechanics to play cb in the nfl and i dont ever think he will succeed there.

[ravensnation5220]

Ya i really hope we can somehow get alexander. Either trade down in the first or hopefully teams pass up on him and he drops to the second round for us.

I agree with ramsey, ive been lightening up on him a bit. He doesnt hustle much on the tape ive watched and he seems to arm tackle way too much, i feel we should draft tunsil, bosa or vh3 if they are available. If not then trade down and nab alexander, although i feel vh3 would be there for us if we decide to pick him. Too tough to tell this early which is why i dont like doing the mock draft just yet. I feel bigboards would be more appropriate at this time with scouting reports to go along and maybe a video for each prospect would be cool.

[ravensnation5220]

i agree with ur assessment of alexander, most of his issues we dont even know if they are real issues or not because he is so rarely targeted. he is impressive though.

as for your cb board, i would put tredavious at 3rd, with eli apple and kendall fuller rounding out the top 5, i see king as more of a hybrid guy and i see ramsey strictly as an attacking SS, he does not have the foot mechanics to play cb in the nfl and i dont ever think he will succeed there.

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/mackensie-alexander-vs-north-carolina-2015/

Saw 3 out of 10 completions, and thats not including all the times the qb looked his way and didn't throw the ball which was about 3 more Thought he did a real nice job in this game considering it a championship game

[Dewy101]

Hargreaves has the second highest completion percentage but he also has very few targets. But yeah that does help the case for Alexander and Lewis. 84 targets with a 34 % completion percentage is pretty damn good.

Why is a completion percentage even important? Unless you can show me yards given up along with it it's a meaningless statistic

[ravensnation5220]

Why is a completion percentage even important? Unless you can show me yards given up along with it it's a meaningless statistic

well i can tell you mackensie alexander had a 31% completion against for an average of 18+ yards per catch but only allowed 1td what can you tell me from that lol. Not much more....

[ravensnation5220]

Thought id drop this here.

theres something about that kid cordrea tankersly that seems to catch my eye every time i see him or try to watch alexander. Not sure what it is cause hes not a high toueted prospect

[BmoreBird22]

Personally, I think Ramsey would make a better corner than safety because of his impressive press ability and excellent understanding of leverage, but that's just me

[January J]

Personally, I think Ramsey would make a better corner than safety because of his impressive press ability and excellent understanding of leverage, but that's just me

depends on if we keep pees or not. Vh3 better fits deans scheme.

[JoeyFlex5]

Personally, I think Ramsey would make a better corner than safety because of his impressive press ability and excellent understanding of leverage, but that's just me

his backpedal is so ugly I could see him tripping over himself very often

[GrimCoconut]

Personally, I think Ramsey would make a better corner than safety because of his impressive press ability and excellent understanding of leverage, but that's just me

I agree. I once thought the opposite but watching him closely I see a player at his best near the LOS. I don't see the range necessary for him to be a center fielder FS. That said, he could develop and become better there but I think he's likely to start at CB so he can make plays near the LOS, especially as a blitzer.

Personally, I love Eli Apple as a CB for us and I've started watching games of Lewis and Facyson and they've both impressed me. Facyson held up well after Fuller went down and I think he's an underrated player.

I still like King but I like him best in off man coverage or as a FS. He's an ideal CB for what Pees wants to do. I think he'd make a great pick as a Mathieu type of player.

[JoeyFlex5]

I agree. I once thought the opposite but watching him closely I see a player at his best near the LOS. I don't see the range necessary for him to be a center fielder FS. That said, he could develop and become better there but I think he's likely to start at CB so he can make plays near the LOS, especially as a blitzer.

Personally, I love Eli Apple as a CB for us and I've started watching games of Lewis and Facyson and they've both impressed me. Facyson held up well after Fuller went down and I think he's an underrated player.

I still like King but I like him best in off man coverage or as a FS. He's an ideal CB for what Pees wants to do. I think he'd make a great pick as a Mathieu type of player.

I like Eli Apple as well, I think he's the classic do it all corner, reminds me of Webb in his hey day. The more I look at this draft the more I think a trade back is the best option if we can find it because I think we can revamp our entire secondary and pass rush by maneuvering in the first and early to mid 2nd

[Cillmatic]

I like Eli Apple as well, I think he's the classic do it all corner, reminds me of Webb in his hey day. The more I look at this draft the more I think a trade back is the best option if we can find it because I think we can revamp our entire secondary and pass rush by maneuvering in the first and early to mid 2nd

Who's the best CB of the draft in your opinion?

[JoeyFlex5]

Who's the best CB of the draft in your opinion?

hargreaves but I think Alexander is a lot closer than people think.

[January J]

hargreaves but I think Alexander is a lot closer than people think.

starting to warm up on Alexander a bit myself. He's one of those guys I could see a lot of teams sleeping on and then just outright dominating and becoming one of the leagues best out of nowhere. I'd like for us to be a part of that. Edited December 24, 2015 by January J

[BmoreBird22]

I'd personally trade back and take Alexander. Much better value than outright grabbing VH3.

Then, trade up to get the fifth year rights to Tyler Boyd.

Draft won

[January J]

I'd personally trade back and take Alexander. Much better value than outright grabbing VH3.

Then, trade up to get the fifth year rights to Tyler Boyd.

Draft won

Alexander and Boyd would be a phenomenal first two picks. I'd be pretty excited about that. And then if we could somehow get a nassib or Yannik Ngakoue with our extra 2nd that would really be something. That would be a killer draft with those 3 picks alone. Edited December 25, 2015 by January J

[BmoreBird22]

Ngakoue over Nassib any day

[JoeyFlex5]

Ngakoue over Nassib any day

absolutely, no questions about it, and the funny part is nassib could go waaaaaaaay before ngakoue

[January J]

absolutely, no questions about it, and the funny part is nassib could go waaaaaaaay before ngakoue

yeah but if we get Boyd I'd be happy with either of them in the same round. Those 2 combined with a top 3 first round pick? Pshhh forget about it. Tunsil/ hargeaves/Stanley - Boyd - and Ngakoue all before we even hit round 3!? Edited December 25, 2015 by January J

[GrimCoconut]

I'd personally trade back and take Alexander. Much better value than outright grabbing VH3.

Then, trade up to get the fifth year rights to Tyler Boyd.

Draft won

I think this is easier said than done.

[GrimCoconut]

Ngakoue over Nassib any day

I like Nassib a lot (see my thread) but I actually agree. He's a really talented player and he reminds me of a poor man's Khalil Mack

[BmoreBird22]

I think this is easier said than done.

Probably is far easier said than done; trading up for Boyd at least. 

I really think people are making much ado about nothing with a football player. He had a single DUI? Okay, cool. I'm glad he's at least not killing people or blowing up buildings.

 

Would just love to have him.

[GrimCoconut]

Probably is far easier said than done; trading up for Boyd at least.

I really think people are making much ado about nothing with a football player. He had a single DUI? Okay, cool. I'm glad he's at least not killing people or blowing up buildings.

Would just love to have him.

I meant trading back to take Alexander is easier said than done. You need two to trade.

I would also like Boyd