Harbaugh's future

[Ravensfan23]

Here's the deal from my eyes. You can't go as young as the Ravens have over the last 3 years since the SB as the Ravens have and not expect any growing pains. Do you expect 0-3? No but if you told me the Ravens would be 1-2 with close losses to the Broncos and Bengals it wouldn't have shocked me. I think most people understood how tough the first hald of the schedule would be. Back to the youth. It's hard to have the youthful turnover the Ravens have had. There are a ton of players that have to learn how to be NFL players. 65% of the Ravens roster has 4 years or less experience in the NFL. Another 57% of the team has been in this organization for 2 years or less. It's hard to expect that many guys to adopt the "Ravens Way" of doing things. On top of that you've had constant change on the offensive side of the ball and chances are you'll see change on the defensive side with Pees. Harbs has his work cut out for him as a HC just getting these young guys and new players to adapt to the Ravens Way of doing things. No way that guy should be close to being fired but if this type of play continues especially defensively, Mr B wont be happy and some heads will roll.

[Dfence4champs2052]

John Fox was in a win-now situation with Peyton and kept bottling it with his soft decisions (that kneel down after the Mile High Miracle when there was still a good 30 seconds to push for a FG is a classic). The Ravens FO is able to be far more patient with the odd down year, since their goal is there or thereabouts every year.

Sure...but he didn't list those qualifiers. He said no winning coach had been fired. Even Lovie Smith went 10-6 before Chicago fired him.

[Dfence4champs2052]

And two of the last four he's made it and one of those was a SUPER BOWL WIN.

This thread is beyond dumb for so many reasons. I have my problems with Harbaugh. I think his TO management is horrid. But this team is usually very disciplined and usually well rounded and tempered. I think he's not much of an X's and O's guys. But do you really want to know what would happen if Harbaugh was fired.

(After the season ends)

He would last 20 seconds on the open market. (I'll just use them as an example)Tampa Bay would immediately fire Lovie Smith and replace him with Harbaugh in a heartbeat. Harbaugh would probably find a brilliant OC to develop Winston, and manage an offensive line(cause even Caldwell wasn't a bad OC. Hell, Trestman isn't bad either. Cam wasn't either. We're just spoiled). Teams would be lured to him as former Ravens would follow him back to Tampa Bay. Suddenly the Tampa team becomes respectable, with a big run game and great WRs and a good TE. Probably with a decent defense as well.

Firing Harbs would be beyond dumb.

Yeah well everyone saw Bisciotti's reaction to missing the playoffs. He clearly said next time things would be done his way so it is what it is.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Yeah well everyone saw Bisciotti's reaction to missing the playoffs. He clearly said next time things would be done his way so it is what it is.

Yes. And Harbaugh is safe. I don't want another head coach. It would make things way too complicated. 

[izvoodoo]

obviously if we go back to back sub 8 win seasons it's very possible.  But I think the coordinators are going first.  Harbaugh is not going anywhere this season.  

[Inqui]

Sure...but he didn't list those qualifiers. He said no winning coach had been fired. Even Lovie Smith went 10-6 before Chicago fired him.

He said they usually don't get fired, and they don't - unless there's some extenuating circumstance that you'd be hard-pressed to argue applies to Harbaugh.

[Grapple Raven]

Typically in this business when you win a Super Bowl, the head coach gets the benefit of the doubt for about a five year span afterward, and combined with his record I don't think Harbs is going anywhere for a while.

[Kid87]

Yall trippin' Harbaugh has done an excellent job.. we get a new OC every year which isn't easy. We need a new DC.

[Purple_City39]

I don't get posts like this.  After going 0-3 to start the season, Harbaugh is still a top 4 winning coach among active coaches with at least 4 seasons under their belt.  He's still never had a losing season and he's only missed the post season once as of now.

 

Harbaugh won't be getting fired this year or next unless we go 0-16 over at least one of those years

[Tru11]

John Fox says hello.

 

hence why i said usually lol.

 

but to be fair the broncos FO went all in though with all the FA signings and such.

 

ravens FO used a very different approach thus will take a different evaluation.

if we spending big in FA for a final run and we started like this then yeah he would be in serious trouble.

[January J]

Thread doesn't even deserve responses. The first sign of adversity and your calling to fire the coach who has the 2nd most wins behind bellichek since 2008? That'd be real smart. Let's see how it works out for the 49ers as well. Some of you people are nuts.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

Harbaugh is the best head coach we've ever had.

 

Lets just get Pagano back after the Colts fire him this upcoming offseason.

[Ravens2343]

Thread doesn't even deserve responses. The first sign of adversity and your calling to fire the coach who has the 2nd most wins behind bellichek since 2008? That'd be real smart. Let's see how it works out for the 49ers as well. Some of you people are nuts.

 

I agree 100%.  Off to an 0-3 start and people want us to fire one of the best head coaches in football? I don't get it one bit and I personally hope Harbaugh is here for the long haul.

Edited September 29, 2015 by Ravens2343

[Baltimore RAYvens]

I've actually been saying this since the year we won the super bowl, I'm not saying Harb's hasn't been excellent, I just don't think he's one of the few great coaches that can get the best out of their team year after year.

[757RavensFan]

Not a single losing season and a playoff win 7 out of 8 seasons.   

 

Seriously, some of you just don't know how good we have it w/ Coach Harbs. 

Edited September 29, 2015 by 757RavensFan

[Guest]

I believe he's a great coach.  The way he weaves tales to inspire his players. He is very articulate and tends to play himself as a simple man. He's far from that. 

 

When the Patriots were cheating, he noticed it and got in the referees faces almost immediately.

 

If he has one flaw it may be a slight Napoleon complex and I'm referring to the Boldin and Pollard purge.  I truly believe we have not yet recovered from that mistake. If the rumors are true, he needs to consider these are proud men and there is a time to compromise.

 

I wouldn't give him walking papers on this team's 0-3 start, ror a poor year, but I believe we'll make a decent showing yet.

Please read all of this post before immediately downvoting and ridiculing me.

 

I think Harbaugh's time with the team is up. Not that he isn't a good coach, but I think in sports players get tired of hearing the same message from the same voice day-in and day out. There are very few coaches in my mind that can motivate a team year in and year out. He has done great things for the team during his tenure, however there have been stories of unrest with the team in regards to Harbaugh, between the "mutiny" a few years ago, and his "mottos" in the past. 

 

While I appreciate all he has done for the team, I think his message has grown stale resulting in the team just looking lackluster and leading to our disappointing start

Edited September 29, 2015 by Danny D

[H8ME]

I believe he's a great coach.  The way he weaves tales to inspire his players. He is very articulate and tends to play himself as a simple man. He's far from that. 

 

When the Patriots were cheating, he noticed it and got in the referees faces almost immediately.

 

If he has one flaw it may be a slight Napoleon complex and I'm referring to the Boldin and Pollard purge.  I truly believe we have not yet recovered from that mistake. If the rumors are true, he needs to consider these are proud men and there is a time to compromise.

 

I wouldn't give him walking papers on this team's 0-3 start, ror a poor year, but I believe we'll make a decent showing yet.

 

Nor the knee jerk release of a playmaker like Jacoby J. after one unthrilling year.

[Guest]

Nor the knee jerk release of a playmaker like Jacoby J. after one unthrilling year.

 

Yeah...well, I liked Jacoby and believe we under utilized him last year. I know about the drops. He never had great hands but he made up for them.

[jazz1988]

Nor the knee jerk release of a playmaker like Jacoby J. after one unthrilling year.

 

Jones look noticeably slower last year.. His speed just wasn't the same like it was in 2012-2013 which was strange because he was only 29 years old. Maybe he didn't train as hard during the off season or maybe he was dealing with a injury but the kind of money he was making probably was too much for number  five or six receiver at best

[Dr. Kelley]

Not a single losing season and a playoff win 7 out of 8 seasons.

Seriously, some of you just don't know how good we have it w/ Coach Harbs.

I think its funny this thread even made it to 3 pages so far

[K-Dog]

Man I am glad I dont work for some of the people here....

[curtis0360]

I will not even acknowledge the idea until the end of the year, and god forbid we are 1-15 or 2-14, again god forbid that happens, but if it does not likely, but if it does then and only then would i consider it. 

[52liveforever]

The only way I would entertain this thread is if we missed the playoffs three years in a row. Harbs is an amazing coach. The problem with this team is Trestman isn't completely comfortable with his offense right now and there isn't a leader on the defensive side of the ball. I think trestman will really get the offense going here soon. I mean the offense actually hasn't looked terrible for being under a new coordinator who is running an offense he isn't used to. I believe we have probably the most talented defense in years, but without any leadership on the field they are just crumbling.

[usmccharles]

lets say we miss the playoffs this year which its looking that way. Yea, lets fire a coach thats been to the playoffs 7/9 years, won a playoff game each of those 7 years (i think right?) and has a superbowl ring. Yea, he's done here. Who do we get to replace him? josh mcdaniels?

[frozen joe flacco fan]

When a coach loses control of the team, his days are numbered. I'm not sure that has happened yet but if our losing ways don't cease and the lack of discipline, which is the root cause for most penalties, continues, Coach Harbaugh will be looking for another coaching job. Mr. Bisciotti is a businessman. A team either gets better or it gets worse. Since the 2012 Super Bowl run, our record during the regular season is now 18 -17. You be the judge if we're getting better or worse. There's no such thing as the status quo in business or sport. Those players who think they are just in an entertainment industry are sadly mistaken. Its about winning, guys!  
 
I'm surprised not much has been written about the "bold & aggressive" coaching decisions our coach made in the CINCY game. On at least two occasions, he chose to fake a punt from deep in our own territory or go for it on 4th down. Both times the decisions paid off but both decisions could have easily backfired and nailed the lid on our coffin. John panics way too early in games and makes desperate decisions far too often. Usually, it results in taking his team out of a position to win. In Sunday's instance, his riverboat gambling paid off and he gave his team a chance to win so its hard to argue with success. The same aggressive coaching by Marvin Lewis could have easily cost his team a victory when the Bengals failed to score on 4th down at the end of the 1st half.  
 
Egotistical decision-making will be John's downfall if it continues. The best decision he made all day was to bring in Justin Tucker to kick a FG to make the score 17-14 instead of going for it on 4th down. Pigs get fat; hogs get slaughtered. take what the defense will give you but don't be greedy. Just ask Marvin Lewis, whose decision to go for it back-fired and let us back into the game. Never feel sorry for your opponent but never disrespect them either! The Bengals were just saying to the Ravens on that play that we have no respect for you.

[curtis0360]

When a coach loses control of the team, his days are numbered. I'm not sure that has happened yet but if our losing ways don't cease and the lack of discipline, which is the root cause for most penalties, continues, Coach Harbaugh will be looking for another coaching job. Mr. Bisciotti is a businessman. A team either gets better or it gets worse. Since the 2012 Super Bowl run, our record during the regular season is now 18 -17. You be the judge if we're getting better or worse. There's no such thing as the status quo in business or sport. Those players who think they are just in an entertainment industry are sadly mistaken. Its about winning, guys!  

 

I'm surprised not much has been written about the "bold & aggressive" coaching decisions our coach made in the CINCY game. On at least two occasions, he chose to fake a punt from deep in our own territory or go for it on 4th down. Both times the decisions paid off but both decisions could have easily backfired and nailed the lid on our coffin. John panics way too early in games and makes desperate decisions far too often. Usually, it results in taking his team out of a position to win. In Sunday's instance, his riverboat gambling paid off and he gave his team a chance to win so its hard to argue with success. The same aggressive coaching by Marvin Lewis could have easily cost his team a victory when the Bengals failed to score on 4th down at the end of the 1st half.  

 

Egotistical decision-making will be John's downfall if it continues. The best decision he made all day was to bring in Justin Tucker to kick a FG to make the score 17-14 instead of going for it on 4th down. Pigs get fat; hogs get slaughtered. take what the defense will give you but don't be greedy. Just ask Marvin Lewis, whose decision to go for it back-fired and let us back into the game. Never feel sorry for your opponent but never disrespect them either! The Bengals were just saying to the Ravens on that play that we have no respect for you.

You forget after superbowl 47 he was dealing with a gutted roster, a retooling secondary and constant cooridnator changes, he got us to the playoffs last year and made a deep run, We are still in this and have hope, if any coach can cause an historic rally for an 0-3 team, its him.

[GrimCoconut]

Weren't people saying he should be coach of the year last year?

You guys sure turn fast!

[SomeCreepinaVan]

When a coach loses control of the team, his days are numbered. I'm not sure that has happened yet but if our losing ways don't cease and the lack of discipline, which is the root cause for most penalties, continues, Coach Harbaugh will be looking for another coaching job. Mr. Bisciotti is a businessman. A team either gets better or it gets worse. Since the 2012 Super Bowl run, our record during the regular season is now 18 -17. You be the judge if we're getting better or worse. There's no such thing as the status quo in business or sport. Those players who think they are just in an entertainment industry are sadly mistaken. Its about winning, guys!  

 

I'm surprised not much has been written about the "bold & aggressive" coaching decisions our coach made in the CINCY game. On at least two occasions, he chose to fake a punt from deep in our own territory or go for it on 4th down. Both times the decisions paid off but both decisions could have easily backfired and nailed the lid on our coffin. John panics way too early in games and makes desperate decisions far too often. Usually, it results in taking his team out of a position to win. In Sunday's instance, his riverboat gambling paid off and he gave his team a chance to win so its hard to argue with success. The same aggressive coaching by Marvin Lewis could have easily cost his team a victory when the Bengals failed to score on 4th down at the end of the 1st half.  

 

Egotistical decision-making will be John's downfall if it continues. The best decision he made all day was to bring in Justin Tucker to kick a FG to make the score 17-14 instead of going for it on 4th down. Pigs get fat; hogs get slaughtered. take what the defense will give you but don't be greedy. Just ask Marvin Lewis, whose decision to go for it back-fired and let us back into the game. Never feel sorry for your opponent but never disrespect them either! The Bengals were just saying to the Ravens on that play that we have no respect for you.

I completely disagree. We're just not as talented as a team as we thought we were, and Harbaugh is doing all he can. Joe was throwing to Boldin, Torrey Smith, Pitta and Rice. Now we have Steve Smith and scrubs . We were extremely spoiled and clueless to think we could just keep on winning with so much talent lost. Harbaugh has proven he's a good coach when he has quality players.

 

It comes across as extremely "spoiled" when fans act like we deserve to win even when we suck. "Oh he's not motivating the team enough," How about we just suck and are a few pieces away. It's not like we're getting blown out every game.

 

Blame this organization for giving Pitta 32 million after a horrible hip injury, which I thought was stupid at the time. Then turning down Torrey for nearly the same price. I don't think any other teams would pay anything close to that with a serious hip condition. The fact that Pitta still thought he was worth that that much after suffering that type of injury is ridiculous. Such arrogance. Rice is still affecting our cap, yet he's not on the team. We're 0-3, what a joke. We don't have the luxury of picking and choosing over bad publicity . You can't tell me that we couldn't have used Rice on 3rd down check downs over the first 3 games. We'd probably have a win by now. I would also sign Pollard.

Edited September 30, 2015 by SomeCreepinaVan

[frozen joe flacco fan]

I completely disagree. We're just not as talented as a team as we thought we were, and Harbaugh is doing all he can. Joe was throwing to Boldin, Torrey Smith, Pitta and Rice. Now we have Steve Smith and scrubs . We were extremely spoiled and clueless to think we could just keep on winning with so much talent lost. Harbaugh has proven he's a good coach when he has quality players.

 

It comes across as extremely "spoiled" when fans act like we deserve to win even when we suck. "Oh he's not motivating the team enough," How about we just suck and are a few pieces away. It's not like we're getting blown out every game.

 

Blame this organization for giving Pitta 32 million after a horrible hip injury, which I thought was stupid at the time. Then turning down Torrey for nearly the same price. I don't think any other teams would pay anything close to that with a serious hip condition. The fact that Pitta still thought he was worth that that much after suffering that type of injury is ridiculous. Such arrogance. Rice is still affecting our cap, yet he's not on the team. We're 0-3, what a joke. We don't have the luxury of picking and choosing over bad publicity . You can't tell me that we couldn't have used Rice on 3rd down check downs over the first 3 games. We'd probably have a win by now. I would also sign Pollard.

 

That's just the point! Any coach can be good when he or she has quality players on both sides of the ball. In 2012, we were stacked. Post 2012, we are 18-17.

 

I would say there is no reason this team should be 0-3 after the great draft we had. That being said, there are three main reasons and you nailed two of them --- Rice and Pitta. The third is Suggs. We are on the same page wrt the organization's positions on both Pitta and Rice. On the former, it was ridiculous for us to extend Pitta's contract as we did. On the latter, the organization hung Ray Rice out to dry. What he did was wrong but he should still be a Raven IMO. His problem should have been handled by the courts, not the NFL. Tom Brady's problem should have been handled by the NFL , not the courts. Its a crazy world. You are correct in pointing that out but it is taboo to talk about such things apparently. With all due respect to Dennis, he should retire and ride off into the sunset instead of limping off.

[The Mom Gene]

Man I am glad I dont work for some of the people here....

Me too K-Dog.