Harbaugh's future

[Baltimore RAYvens]

Please read all of this post before immediately downvoting and ridiculing me.

 

I think Harbaugh's time with the team is up. Not that he isn't a good coach, but I think in sports players get tired of hearing the same message from the same voice day-in and day out. There are very few coaches in my mind that can motivate a team year in and year out. He has done great things for the team during his tenure, however there have been stories of unrest with the team in regards to Harbaugh, between the "mutiny" a few years ago, and his "mottos" in the past. 

 

While I appreciate all he has done for the team, I think his message has grown stale resulting in the team just looking lackluster and leading to our disappointing start

Edited September 28, 2015 by Baltimore RAYvens

[CalvinSmoke]

Please read all of this post before immediately downvoting and ridiculing me.

I think Harbaugh's time with the team is up. Not that he isn't a good coach, but I think in sports players get tired of hearing the same message from the same voice day-in and day out. There are very few coaches in my mind that can motivate a team year in and year out. He has done great things for the team during his tenure, however there have been stories of unrest with the team in regards to Harbaugh, between the "mutiny" a few years ago, and his "mottos" in the past.

there's constantly new guys on this team so it's not as if the same guys are hearing the same story all the time

[arnie_uk]

I don't like Harbaugh one bit, it's well known. But we'd need two losing season in a row before even I sign of on it.

If however he holds onto pees next year, things might change

[Florida Ravens Fan]

I agree they need a new voice, that new voice should be a new DC. Harbs is fine and great coach, but if he doesn't make a change on d then it will eventually be on him.

[GrimCoconut]

Absolutely not. I don't see a problem with him at this time. I'd rather replace a coordinator than a HC. If you're going to get rid of him, we'd better have a guy already in mind to replace him. Building a winning culture isn't easy. I like what he's done.

[-Truth-]

A stretch of 3 close loses just isn't enough to dethrone an HC with a successful track record. It would be a major knee-jerk reaction.

[ratedr]

Please read all of this post before immediately downvoting and ridiculing me.

 

You see I wanted to, I really did, but then this was the next sentence.

 

I think Harbaugh's time with the team is up.

 

Nah.

[Tru11]

unless we end up with a top 3 pick i dont see it happening.

 

he has build enough credit to stick around.

 

teams usually dont fire coaches who never had a losing season lol.

Edited September 28, 2015 by Tru11

[GhostofGrbac]

I think Harbaugh could be on the hot seat after this season if the team continues to play as poorly as they have. This team has a discipline issue and that starts with the HC.

Edited September 28, 2015 by GhostofGrbac

[ratedr]

Even with a top 3 pick Harbaugh isn't going anywhere.

[ravensdfan]

Harbaugh's seat isn't even tepid. He's fine. You don't get rid of a HC (unless you are an idiot like in San Fran) that has the long term successful track record of Harbaugh because of one bad season.

 

I think Pees seat is on fire and Trestman's might get warm if he doesn't become more successful in the red zone.

[FlackAttack]

lol harbaugh isnt going anywhere. hes actually one of the highest reputable coaches in the NFL. the only time ive ever disagreed with him was his absolute purge after the super bowl.

 

but he still aint going nowhere.

Edited September 28, 2015 by FlackAttack

[RavensFanMania]

Absolutely not. I don't see a problem with him at this time. I'd rather replace a coordinator than a HC. If you're going to get rid of him, we'd better have a guy already in mind to replace him. Building a winning culture isn't easy. I like what he's done.

I completely agree AND I feel Harbaugh is one of the best HC in the league.  He works great with Management and Asst. HC.  That speaks volumes.  Replacing a head coach isn't easy.  Just look all over the league for that matter. 

[JO_75]

Harbaugh is fine, ultimately Harbs only has two downsides to him. His friendship and bringing in friends to be his assistant coaches. The second, not being able to have the guts to let someone go when something isn't working. Part of that goes back to the first downside of bringing his friends in and nobody wants to tell their friends they are fired. He fails to realize what needs to be done. He wouldn't do it with Cam, and he is making the same mistake with Pees. It's going to take Steve to step in as the Owner and tell Harbs we have to move on to a new guy. 

 

The only way Harbs gets fired is if we have a losing season this year, and nothing changes on the coaching staff for 2016. IE he refuses to fire Pees, and we again give up many games and lose. That unfortunately could be his downfall and the reason for us hiring a new HC. His loyalty to his friends, and making his friends or at least people he is close with assistants in a league that you need to win now, is going to be his downfall.

 

Please save us Steve!

Edited September 28, 2015 by JO_75

[Cillmatic]

I'm not willing to have Harbs go. He's a part of Baltimore. I'd rather just fire Pees and Castello. A high pick is exactly what we need to kick make this team elite for a while.

[Cillmatic]

He's one of the best coaches when it comes to challenging rulings statistically ih.

[FlackAttack]

I'm not willing to have Harbs go. He's a part of Baltimore. I'd rather just fire Pees and Castillo. A high pick is exactly what we need to kick make this team elite for a while.

 

we need more than just a high pick

[SomeCreepinaVan]

Motivate the team? We're just not that good. There's only so much you can do with this team. We lost Owen Daniels and Torrey Smith. Jimmy Smith comes back from a bad injury with nearly a year away from football and some people expect him to play like a pro bowler right away. Even last year we got fat off of bad teams and an easy schedule.

 

No new coach is going to solve our problems at WR and CB for us. This just leads me to believe that some of us fans are spoiled. Marvin Lewis hasn't won a playoff game yet and he's still around. I tempered my expectations when I saw how bad we were in preseason.  

Edited September 28, 2015 by SomeCreepinaVan

[redrum52]

He'd need 3 very poor seasons in a row I think. We had a legit shot at winning the SB last year with a scout team secondary. Let the season play out. As someone else said, we always complain about bit playing or youth. Well, welcome to the growing pains that accompany it.

[CorvusCorax]

Way too early to be making a post like this.

 

Our issues fall more on the players than anything. 

 

He darn near coached a perfect game! With the exception of the Jimmy Smith challenge, he did nearly everything he could to get us a Win at home!

 

Fake punt timed perfectly.

Going for it on 4th down (IIRC a couple times)

1 for 1 on challenges

 

It just comes to personnel and execution. I honestly think the coaches did all they could at that game. 

Edited September 28, 2015 by CorvusCorax

[Dfence4champs2052]

unless we end up with a top 3 pick i dont see it happening.

 

he has build enough credit to stick around.

 

teams usually dont fire coaches who never had a losing season lol.

John Fox says hello.

[Dfence4champs2052]

If the Ravens miss the playoffs again I believe he will be on the coaching hot seat. That would be 2 out of the last 3 years.

[Inqui]

John Fox says hello.

John Fox was in a win-now situation with Peyton and kept bottling it with his soft decisions (that kneel down after the Mile High Miracle when there was still a good 30 seconds to push for a FG is a classic). The Ravens FO is able to be far more patient with the odd down year, since their goal is there or thereabouts every year.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

If the Ravens miss the playoffs again I believe he will be on the coaching hot seat. That would be 2 out of the last 3 years.

And two of the last four he's made it and one of those was a SUPER BOWL WIN.

This thread is beyond dumb for so many reasons. I have my problems with Harbaugh. I think his TO management is horrid. But this team is usually very disciplined and usually well rounded and tempered. I think he's not much of an X's and O's guys. But do you really want to know what would happen if Harbaugh was fired.

(After the season ends)

He would last 20 seconds on the open market. (I'll just use them as an example)Tampa Bay would immediately fire Lovie Smith and replace him with Harbaugh in a heartbeat. Harbaugh would probably find a brilliant OC to develop Winston, and manage an offensive line(cause even Caldwell wasn't a bad OC. Hell, Trestman isn't bad either. Cam wasn't either. We're just spoiled). Teams would be lured to him as former Ravens would follow him back to Tampa Bay. Suddenly the Tampa team becomes respectable, with a big run game and great WRs and a good TE. Probably with a decent defense as well.

Firing Harbs would be beyond dumb.

[Inqui]

And two of the last four he's made it and one of those was a SUPER BOWL WIN.

This thread is beyond dumb for so many reasons. I have my problems with Harbaugh. I think his TO management is horrid. But this team is usually very disciplined and usually well rounded and tempered. I think he's not much of an X's and O's guys. But do you really want to know what would happen if Harbaugh was fired.

(After the season ends)

He would last 20 seconds on the open market. (I'll just use them as an example)Tampa Bay would immediately fire Lovie Smith and replace him with Harbaugh in a heartbeat. Harbaugh would probably find a brilliant OC to develop Winston, and manage an offensive line(cause even Caldwell wasn't a bad OC. Hell, Trestman isn't bad either. Cam wasn't either. We're just spoiled). Teams would be lured to him as former Ravens would follow him back to Tampa Bay. Suddenly the Tampa team becomes respectable, with a big run game and great WRs and a good TE. Probably with a decent defense as well.

Firing Harbs would be beyond dumb.

Meanwhile, in Baltimore, all you'd have to do is look at San Francisco in the past offseason for what you'd expect to happen.

[Guest Omerta]

I am no Harbaugh fan at all,  but this is premature imo.  His coach speak is something found all around the league.  As to the motivation,  you are only as motivated as you allow yourself to be,  even when Ray was on the team people played flat so he isn't wholly responsible for that. 

 

The part about hanging on to long to falling coordinators is legit,  but consider the alternative,  revolving doors at coordinator is no good either.  Not long ago people in Pittsburgh were trying to run Haley out of town.  I would venture to guess they are satisfied with him at the present.  Granted Pees should be on the shortest of leashes if not gone by now,  but what viable candidates do we have ?

 

If we get rid of Harbaugh it should not be a knee jerk reaction to the inevitability of a bad season,  but a pragmatic response to reasoned discourse of a systemic failure.  We are not close to that yet.  We have a wealth of youth who are experiencing growing pains and a fundamental lack of leadership from players that our young guys have notyet assumed the mantle of yet.  Most of our defense as well as offense are still learning the game,  so leadership is taking the back seat to learning fundamentals of the craft. 

 

Our veterans can only teach so much,  and Joe especially as quarterbacks are specialized and can only teach the plays and build chemistry,  but as far as recognizing blitz responsibilities and the discerning of disguised coverages for a back,  or a WR  sinking his hips and using which plant foot to use to separate at the top of his route are only theorem's he can teach but as to showing it he cannot.  All these things have to be taught by veteran leadership at the positional level.  

 

Which truth be told is happening,  SSS is working with people over a decade his junior,  same with daryl Smith the linebackers,  brandon Williams is a 3rd year player who is becoming the veteran voice on defense line,  let that sink in. 

 

We are young,  and the future is bright even if the present is murky,  which is all the more reason to keep the head guy here and let him adjust personnel birth coaches and players to facilitate learning and continuity.  Now in 2 years if we are having this discussion than sure,  or if press is running or defense midway thrive next year,  but this is not the juncture. 

Edited September 28, 2015 by Omerta

[Cillmatic]

We've been in the playoffs every year Harbs has been here but 2013. Plus we won a super bowl. He's here for a while. Deservedly so.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Meanwhile, in Baltimore, all you'd have to do is look at San Francisco in the past offseason for what you'd expect to happen.

So basically

Daryl Retires

Mosley retires

Canty Retires

Wagner Retires

Will Hill considers retirement

Flacco reverts to being a run first QB....

Yeah no thanks

[Ravenseconbeast]

No, we need a guy like Harbaugh.  He is always willing to evolve and have the energy to win.   You need that from a HC.   Some coaches in this league just have one way of doing things and feels tired/uncomfortable when one or two things changes and gets out of control.    

I would say this year our personnel has been incredibly terrible.   Chris Hewitt(once again) is one guy that needs to be kicked to the curb.   

[salamander]

Harbs is responsible to ensure that the best coaches are working under him. I can tell he is fed up with some of the play calling and I anticipate that there is a good chance that Pees is gone if major improvements and changes don't happen immediately. If Harbs doesn't act to hold the DC to a higher standard, then yes, Harbs puts himself on the hotseat for failing to act. My gut tells me that Harbs is on the verge of canning Pees, or at least demanding what changes Pees will make. Don't think Harbs is at risk of losing the confidence of Bisciotti now or in the near future. Anyone who fails to make corrective measures though will eventually find themselves sweating bullets. Better to dodge a bullet and Harbs seems ready to make some changes.