[News] Ravens Explain Run Game Woes

[TheConquerorWorm]

Forsett looks like the 30 year old journeyman RB he always was. Taliaferro looks like a 3 yard, "smash into walls" RB and Buck Allen still has the fumbling issues that he's always had.

Montee Ball???

[Mystigo_Dragon]

I countered the neg with a +, because you are right.

That's my guy! Thanks, Cobra! 

[Mystigo_Dragon]

Trestman needs to answer for this, he really does.

 

Sad to say, but we look like the Bears,... just w/o Forte!

Cobra, I was surprised when we didn't take a big 1st Tier RB in the draft but even Gurly's looking pitiful so maybe Allen will emerge into something  I like Taliaferro but he's no Lynch!

I didn't say anything but even I knew that Forsett is not a "Marquee Runningback", and now, w/o the stretch/Zone blocking schemes, we're in it deep!   

Too early to predict,.... but, WHOA! 

Edited September 28, 2015 by Mystigo_Dragon

[jravens13]

I think a coordinator and his personnel must be a fit for an offense to have success. You can't simply make Trestman a zone blocking west coast coordinator. Just like Manning looked so awkward when they tried to put him under center. It's Trestman's job to assess our personnel and put them in the best position to succeed and win football games. Our recipe to win is completely different than Denver's or New England's because it has to do with the personnel Trestman has to work with. We don't have time to figure this out, that's what Training Camp and the Preseason is for.

[Ravenseconbeast]

are you kidding me? This is ravens football. 3.3yards pc is a JOKE!

[Mystigo_Dragon]

Forsett looks like the 30 year old journeyman RB he always was. Taliaferro looks like a 3 yard, "smash into walls" RB and Buck Allen still has the fumbling issues that he's always had. Montee Ball???

 

HEAR! HEAR! 

[bigcatfrank1]

When you are not running the ball well then the pass needs to set up the run. The second half proved what the Ravens should be doing.. TE options...half/full back options, roll outs, corner routes, stop hooks and quick crossing routes. This will move the LB's back and get the DE's moving sideways. WE have the TE's, quick WR inside and a great full back....once they establish then the run will be more successful.

[bigcatfrank1]

and please get our backs to drop the darn stutter step!

[bigcatfrank1]

and please tell FLacco to bury the darn ball in their GUT!, quit the darn floaters and finger flies

[RicknRoll]

HOLD UP! There is a little thing called plain old basics. If I'm having a problem running the ball, then I add another O-Linemen on the field and force it down their throats. It's called we're running it here! Stop me if you can! People we have Coaching Problems! I'm talking about the position coaches as well as th OC and DC. Do you think for one second the coaches we had back in the early 2000's would allow our defenders to do the stupid stuff that's been going on? Can you see Mike Singletary Chewing the heck out of these guys? When we couldn't run the ball in the first quarter, what changes were made Tressman?? Oh yeah! Just stand around and say " we need to do better" No pass rush and poor Tackling, what changes did you make to at least try to fix some of the issues Dean Pees?? If we Tank this season, I see some big changes being made starting at the top with Harbs. You know our Owner does not like loosing and he is not afraid to make changes, ask Brian Bilick.

[Purple Dawg 96]

"ABORT" the run game for now! It's slowing the Ravens Offense down until they let Joe OPEN IT UP! Gotta "SURPRISE" them with the run you pretty much can tell when the Ravens are gonna run so sling that rock!

[RicknRoll]

Let's face it Ozzie needs me as his assistant, I wouldn't have paid Monroe no big bucks, I wouldn't make my top draft pick a guy knowing he had a knee problem and just hope he would get through it. I would have found a way to work something out with Ngata and Anquan Boldin, no negotiating was attempted with either of those guys, and to keep Jacoby Jones over Anquan? Are you serious? I wouldn't have let Harbs just totally Diss Bernard Pollard. There were a lot of bad moves done by our team and now it's showing up. Every Year Ozzie is praised for not budging when the high profile free agents are moving in the market, Ozzie waits until all is calmed down and picks amongst the leftovers. Well now you can see the results when you feast on leftovers. Sometimes you get the gold, sometimes you get the coals.

[RavensBaltimore]

Our offense did "waste" the first half against Cinci, just like they wasted most of the game against Denver. Look what we did in the second half against the Bengals, the whole game in Oakland, and the final drive against Denver. We stopped lining up in power running formations, stopped running on first down, and SPREAD IT OUT. When we do that, we move the ball and score points on a consistent basis. Our coaching staff needs to let go of this outdated "run first, power running team" mentality and simply open their eyes and go with what works. Our offense carried us to a SB with our base offense being spread, 3WR, single back formations.

[goldenboldin]

i miss gary kubiak

Edited September 29, 2015 by goldenboldin

[bmoraven]

We need the run game to work to keep the clock moving late in the second half especially on the road. We do not win with an unbalanced attack, our offense isn't built that way. Throw some pitches if we can't run up the gut. Get the screens to Juice and Justin. Just execute, and it will happen.

[Flamengo1265]

Monroe is a joke. When I think "play like a Raven" I don't think Eugene Monroe.

[Crusader]

I don't know what's worse the coach saying I don't know what the difference is from last year or lying.

[Crusader]

New England would not have given Webb or Monroe those big contracts.Coaches make players great there not players make coaches great.

[roamingcharges]

Why are we complaining about the Offense? The Defense couldn't hold two 4th Quarter leads. If we had scored on the final drive and had 20 seconds left I still feel Dalton would have gotten them into Field Goal range to force overtime. Dean Pees needs a gut check.

[Ravensfolyfe]

So,with Monroe returning will the run game improve?

[NeilfromBarbados]

This does not look like the run offense from last year, as much as the RBs are saying that it is. Maybe they need to do something new, because as good as it was in 2014, OTHER TEAMS WATCH FILM, and probably figured it out. But, it has to be said, the offense is not the problem as much as the D. The pass rush is sorry, and the secondary is a joke. I am a big Webb fan, but he's out there looking like he needs a map or a GPS. The secondary aren't covering anybody, and they sure ain't tackling. Both Dalton and Carr threw for nearly 400 yards. That equals NO pass rush and NO tight coverage. And the penalties are no joke. Penalties had more yards than the run game for 2 weeks in a row, I believe. Somebody needs to step up the leadership most of all.

[WordProphet]

You have to look at film for a long time to find out how to exploit another teams defense, I mean hours of watching film, and then you have to have holes in the defense to hit quickly. But if the O-Line can't open no holes, it's going to be hard to run for substantial gain in the NFL. When I look at other teams their O-Line are opening up holes and the RB's are slipping past and through the opposing defenses and we should be able to do the same thing. But it seems like our starters are always out hurt on the O-Line and getting paid big money for not being there!!! I mean you really have to search the films exhaustively to find ways to exploit these defenses so in order to be great at what you do and not just good, you have to put in the time, practice, practice, and practice some more, and watch film the same way if you want to be on top, you have to put in the time when you are not playing on the field!!! I mean anybody can be the average Joe but those who want to be great have to go that extra 5 miles!!! I mean look at all the folks in the Hall of Fame, they are not in there for nothing, they put in the time far and above the call to duty. All of these players on the Ravens who are making all of these penalties I wonder what their workouts are like??? Are they going the extra 5 miles to stop making penalties or are they just the average Joe who is satisfied with just being average, for you do have those type players on every team in the NFL!!! But every once and a while a Ray Lewis will show up or a Jerry Rice or an Ed Reed or a Steve Smith Sr. to lead and show how it's done, and these type players are always on top of their game because their spirit is like that!!! Now after saying all of that, where do we go from here???

[BigUgly]

With the exception of Hurst (who actually filled in decently several games last year), this is the SAME personnel group as last year. The only difference is the offensive coordinator. Just as he was in Chicago, he is dialing up a pass-heavy set of plays. Without a commitment to the run by the OC, the O-Line can't get into a rhythm. That's also bad for Joe, as he is not an accurate enough passer to get the high completion percentage needed to have passing game be as effective as a good running game (completion percentage of a handoff is nearly 100%). This also means the defense is on the field longer. So far, Trestman is a bad fit. Personnel-wise, Monroe is often-injured and plays soft, Zuttah is merely serviceable, and Osemele makes too many mistakes with penalties and missed assignments.

[Ravens_Flock]

Well uh...........for one thing, we're not running the ball as much as last year. We've been pass-happy since Game 1, which isn't surprising, because even though we were promised "no major change", it's Marc Trestman we're talking about. Also, we're just not executing the Zone the same. Taliaferro hopefully is okay. They shut him down pretty quick last Sun. I think a major key to getting our run game going, is getting him going. He and Forsett need to be our "Thunder and Lightning".

[fusuymada]

This is exactly the same performance we got out of the O-line in 2013. Same O-line coach the only difference is that Kubiak isn't there. There is no difference between our lousy run game in 2013 and our lousy run game in 2015. However, the Ravens bleed high quality coaches and players because we do so good all the time. It is amazing we continue to be as good as we are considering the OC turn over, turn over in defensive standouts, and the release of quality offensive players for cap reasons. Unfortunately, no one is going to be beating our doors down to get to any of our coordinators this year.

[Arch Mage]

Last night we saw an offense working really well in the Green Bay Packers. The comparisons between the footwork of Rodgers and Montana was very interesting. Their feet are always moving. The short passing game they use is a version of a "long hand off" running game. And yet they still were about 50/50 in actual runs v passing. I know that is not our philosophy.  We need our Joe to STEP up!
Back to the articla at hand:
'Forsett said. “I think it’s little details.”' That is what coaching is about. Telling Picasso to paint like Degas wouldn't work, so why would Tressman being told to imitate his predecessor be expected to work? If good offense could be learned by imitation, then we would have a much bigger pool of successful coaches in the league. Who owns the offense this year? Is it Harbaugh? Castillo? the running backs coach? Tressman? Joe Flacco? No one??!?
John Harbaugh set this up (yes he was scrambling after gary left).  His answers to the press saying what he does not know (whether it is about the running game or our number one draft pick) are wearing very thin.

Edited September 29, 2015 by Arch Mage

[Bill Mueller]

OC. Trestman isn't Gary Kubiak.

[krnraven]

I beg to differ that this is not the same run game. There are no zone stretches to the outside. There are no cutbacks either. Most of the time we run outside is with crack back blocks. We mostly run inside zone plays and it is not working.

[NNITRED]

Forsett needs an open alley to be productive in any real sense. He's easy to stop. He's not breaking any tackles. He's not ever going to make anyone miss with that weak juke. The bottom line is that his productivity is 100% dependent on big holes from the O-line. Unfortunately this is no longer Kubiak's line. It's the product of Juan Castillo and it well in line with the trash we had in 2013.

Edited September 29, 2015 by NNITRED

[NNITRED]

I've said before that season started that by mid-season Taliaferro would overtake Forsett as a our starter and I still feel that way.