Can we start Terrence Brooks already?

[52liveforever]

Agreed. I'm not sure why we don't put him out there at FS. We're not going to the playoffs. There's no magical change of situation that will remedy this. You may as well test your depth now and see what you have.

Be careful. I started a topic about this and got BLASTED

[spitfire418]

I know he has been a little more of a hybrid guy, but would S Terrence Brooks kind of fit into that conversation, as far as someone you want to see a little bit more? (Luke Jones) “Absolutely. Terrence Brooks had a role in this game [against Seattle], a spy role. You might have noticed it, and that’s a big reason why they didn’t get out on the scrambles. And he did a great job. He almost had the one-handed interception there when he was spying and they threw the little Texas route back inside. I think his role expands. He has done a nice job on special teams, too.”

 

Harbaugh had some good things to say about Brooks in the presser today and even hinted at an expanded role. Hopefully what he said comes true, but you never know with Harbaugh. Also, he was talking about how the 2016 season starts now and mentioned several other young guys that will get more reps and an opportunity to play, so this time it seems that what he's saying is true. I'm looking forward to the game next weekend and am excited to possibly see some of the young defensive players show what they got.

[PurpleCity5]

Based off Harbaugh's conference I think Brooks will get his shot soon, not about him complimenting Brooks but the fact that he said next season starts this week.

Edited December 15, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[spitfire418]

Based off Harbaugh's conference I think Brooks will get his shot soon, not about him complimenting Brooks but the fact that he said next season starts this week.

I hope that the fact he said the next season starts this week means that Terrence Brooks and Will Hill are our starting safeties. I obviously know this won't happen this week or possibly these last three games, but it's what should've happened earlier this year and will hopefully be what happens next season and for years after that.

[Cillmatic]

Brooks got a grand total of ONE snap against the Chiefs. Either the coaching staff doesn't get it or Brooks is awful.

[spitfire418]

Brooks got a grand total of ONE snap against the Chiefs. Either the coaching staff doesn't get it or Brooks is awful.

He only got the one snap because Lewis went down too lol. These coaches don't get it. Harbaugh lied about evaluating the young defenders for the last three games. Brooks being awful though? We won't know until he gets a fair chance to show what he's got. So far all we know is he has flashed potential to be a good player in this league, but it looks like we won't know until at least next season.

[spitfire418]

What do you guys think the chances are that the young safeties like Terrence Brooks, Matt Elam, and a possible draft pick have at earning a starting job when we have Will Hill, Lardarius Webb, and possibly Kendrick Lewis or other free agent veterans? We are also keeping Pees once again and will probably go with just two starting safeties through the season. Looking at the full picture, I don't see how any of the young safeties with potential would have any chance to earn a starting spot which really sucks because I'd love to see one of those possibly three guys get a chance to be our starter. What do you all think about this?

[terrynjulia03]

What do you guys think the chances are that the young safeties like Terrence Brooks, Matt Elam, and a possible draft pick have at earning a starting job when we have Will Hill, Lardarius Webb, and possibly Kendrick Lewis or other free agent veterans? We are also keeping Pees once again and will probably go with just two starting safeties through the season. Looking at the full picture, I don't see how any of the young safeties with potential would have any chance to earn a starting spot which really sucks because I'd love to see one of those possibly three guys get a chance to be our starter. What do you all think about this?

Lewis wont be back. Unless we draft Ramsey at 6 I expect them to go in with Hill at SS, Webb at FS and Brooks and a later rd pick as the backups, unless they bring back like a Trawick or Levine on a basement deal, quite likely.

[spitfire418]

Lewis wont be back. Unless we draft Ramsey at 6 I expect them to go in with Hill at SS, Webb at FS and Brooks and a later rd pick as the backups, unless they bring back like a Trawick or Levine on a basement deal, quite likely.

Yeah, hopefully Lewis won't be back, but you never know. If we got Ramsey do you think we would bench Webb for him or what do you think would happen with that situation? Also where do you think Matt Elam fits into the conversation? Trawick and Levine are the 3rd string guys and basically just ST players as of now.

[CalvinSmoke]

Brooks has an opportunity next year to be the first safety off the bench to be a hybrid linebacker/slot corner/safety in nickel formations. I think he could do it

[spitfire418]

Brooks has an opportunity next year to be the first safety off the bench to be a hybrid linebacker/slot corner/safety in nickel formations. I think he could do it

Well he's basically always been the first safety off of the bench, but the problem with that is we pick two safeties at the beginning of the year and start them the whole year unless of injury. I agree that two starting safeties is how it should be so they can build chemistry, etc. instead of having a rotation thing like we had in 2014. As I said, I don't see Brooks, Elam, or a draft pick beating out our older veteran guys which is sad and we could be wasting talent, but maybe they can find other important roles on the defense. I would love to see the team start Brooks as a 3rd corner / slot and nickel corner or even put him in a role similar to the one the Deone Bucannon plays for the Cardinals. Bucannon is obviously a bit bigger than Brooks is, but I can tell that Brooks has really put on some muscle since we drafted him and has all the tools to do what Bucannon does. I just hope with the more than likely Will Hill and Lardarius Webb starting safety combo, that we find roles on defense for players like Brooks, Elam, and a draft pick.

Edited January 9, 2016 by spitfire418

[Yoonkeem]

Brooks got a grand total of ONE snap against the Chiefs. Either the coaching staff doesn't get it or Brooks is awful.

 

What I thought about Brooks not getting a chance this whole year...

 

Obviously something is going on to make the coaching staff hesitant on playing him

[spitfire418]

What I thought about Brooks not getting a chance this whole year...

 

Obviously something is going on to make the coaching staff hesitant on playing him

You're right. That something is Kendrick Lewis.

[Cillmatic]

You're right. That something is Kendrick Lewis.

WAS Kendrick Lewis, now it Webb. I've come to terms that Brooks just isn't good.

[spitfire418]

WAS Kendrick Lewis, now it Webb. I've come to terms that Brooks just isn't good.

It seems like you've always thought he isn't good. Truth is, he hasn't gotten a fair chance due to some injuries and mostly the other players we have at his position.

Edited January 12, 2016 by spitfire418

[Ravenseconbeast]

Brooks got a grand total of ONE snap against the Chiefs. Either the coaching staff doesn't get it or Brooks is awful.

 

"Why can't we start Arthur Brown???"

 

"Why can't we start Chykie Brown???"

 

There is always a reason...

[The Raven]

WAS Kendrick Lewis, now it Webb. I've come to terms that Brooks just isn't good.

It seems like you've always thought he isn't good. Truth is, he hasn't gotten a fair chance due to some injuries and mostly the other players we have at his position.

 

I think he still has a chance. The third year is often the biggest year for a DB's growth. Harbaugh kept saying that Brooks's biggest problem was that he didn't have the communication or the mental game down. He has the ability. He can run, he can hit, and he can tackle. When he knows what he's doing, he can cover. He just doesn't always know what he's doing. I think he finds a spot on the field next season, perhaps at least spelling Will Hill on 3rd down.

[Yoonkeem]

"Why can't we start Arthur Brown???"

 

"Why can't we start Chykie Brown???"

 

There is always a reason...

 

aw man.. really wanted arthur brown to be a stud on the defense...

[spitfire418]

"Why can't we start Arthur Brown???"

 

"Why can't we start Chykie Brown???"

 

There is always a reason...

Arthur Brown has a similar situation. Say we didn't draft C.J. Mosley, I bet Arthur Brown would've at least had the first shot to start alongside Daryl Smith, but instead he got screwed because you can't start 3 MLB's. Chykie Brown was a fifth round draft pick so it doesn't necessarily help his chances to start when he had guys like Jimmy Smith and Lardarius Webb above him. How can a fifth rounder beat those two out? It's all about image, where they were drafted, contract situations, and experience.

[spitfire418]

I think he still has a chance. The third year is often the biggest year for a DB's growth. Harbaugh kept saying that Brooks's biggest problem was that he didn't have the communication or the mental game down. He has the ability. He can run, he can hit, and he can tackle. When he knows what he's doing, he can cover. He just doesn't always know what he's doing. I think he finds a spot on the field next season, perhaps at least spelling Will Hill on 3rd down.

Well obviously everyone else in our secondary doesn't know what they're doing either, so why not start the young guy with potential and actually try to develop him?

[Clmraven]

I think he still has a chance. The third year is often the biggest year for a DB's growth. Harbaugh kept saying that Brooks's biggest problem was that he didn't have the communication or the mental game down. He has the ability. He can run, he can hit, and he can tackle. When he knows what he's doing, he can cover. He just doesn't always know what he's doing. I think he finds a spot on the field next season, perhaps at least spelling Will Hill on 3rd down.

Brooks might actually be able to carve out a role if pees would just simplify the defense.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Arthur Brown has a similar situation. Say we didn't draft C.J. Mosley, I bet Arthur Brown would've at least had the first shot to start alongside Daryl Smith, but instead he got screwed because you can't start 3 MLB's. Chykie Brown was a fifth round draft pick so it doesn't necessarily help his chances to start when he had guys like Jimmy Smith and Lardarius Webb above him. How can a fifth rounder beat those two out? It's all about image, where they were drafted, contract situations, and experience.

Arthur Brown can't even beat McAdoo, Mcllellen, Orr and any undrafted players we put on our depth the past 3seasons.

He is a bust.

[BmoreBird22]

Brooks might actually be able to carve out a role if pees would just simplify the defense.

I felt that he did over the second half and that was one of the bigger reasons for the turn around

[spitfire418]

Arthur Brown can't even beat McAdoo, Mcllellen, Orr and any undrafted players we put on our depth the past 3seasons.

He is a bust.

McClellan, Orr, and Brown have all gotten some playing time on defense when Daryl needs to sit or rest or whatever. How can you tell me you've seen enough of Arthur Brown to say he is a bust? He's had players above him ever since he finished his rookie year which is the only year he got some decent playing time and showed some potential. I bet you thought John Simon was a bust when we cut him didn't you? Look at him now. Starter for the Texans. Some of you just jump to conclusion of players if they don't get playing time and assume they're a bust. You're wrong. Players take time to develop. They also need to get a fair shot to show what they can do and also be put in a position to succeed. Try to have some hope for our young players from now on and stop bashing them for not getting on the field. Not everyone can play at the same time. That's just how sports work. 

[Sizzlebshu]

Kendrick Lewis has turned out to be a terrible signing so far. He hasn't really done anything positive on the field. Terrence Brooks should be starting at safety... Our secondary can't get any worse than it is now (Well I hope not).

Lol wheres my bw at?

[spitfire418]

Lol wheres my bw at?

?

[Ravenseconbeast]

McClellan, Orr, and Brown have all gotten some playing time on defense when Daryl needs to sit or rest or whatever. How can you tell me you've seen enough of Arthur Brown to say he is a bust? He's had players above him ever since he finished his rookie year which is the only year he got some decent playing time and showed some potential. I bet you thought John Simon was a bust when we cut him didn't you? Look at him now. Starter for the Texans. Some of you just jump to conclusion of players if they don't get playing time and assume they're a bust. You're wrong. Players take time to develop. They also need to get a fair shot to show what they can do and also be put in a position to succeed. Try to have some hope for our young players from now on and stop bashing them for not getting on the field. Not everyone can play at the same time. That's just how sports work. 

 

Pretty sure Simon wasn't going to beat Doom, Suggs.   Pretty sure he wasn't going to top Mcphee either.  But Simon actually did had snaps.  He didn't do well @ Ravens uniform.  Im glad he found a team that fits him and he is thriving.

 

Arthur in the other hand, couldnt even muster a decent performance vs 2nd depth players @ preseason.   He finally did something @ last preseason game vs 3rd(cut) depth players at his THIRD year.   

[spitfire418]

Pretty sure Simon wasn't going to beat Doom, Suggs.   Pretty sure he wasn't going to top Mcphee either.  But Simon actually did had snaps.  He didn't do well @ Ravens uniform.  Im glad he found a team that fits him and he is thriving.

 

Arthur in the other hand, couldnt even muster a decent performance vs 2nd depth players @ preseason.   He finally did something @ last preseason game vs 3rd(cut) depth players at his THIRD year.   

Your first statement is exactly right. He was behind those guys who he basically couldn't beat out no matter what he did and which gave him very limited to no regular season snaps. I'm guessing the team also thought he had no chance to play for us and just decided to cut him because I don't know any other reason that we should've gave up on him so early.

 

Secondly, don't bring preseason games into this. He's a second round pick and flashed potential in his rookie year in the REGULAR season and looked like he could be the starting MLB alongside Daryl Smith or at least have a fair shot at showing what he could do there. Thing is, after he finished his rookie year and got his feet wet, we drafted C.J. Mosley because he was the best player available and it was a good pick for sure. Sadly, this screwed basically any chance that Arthur could earn a starting spot or a whole lot of playing time because we're not going to bench Daryl Smith for several reasons and the fact that C.J. Mosley was our 1st rounder, an Alabama guy, and is most likely a better player than Arthur, but we haven't seen enough to say that is 100% true. You can't say the guy is a bust already. Same goes for other players.

 

It would be very sad, but I'd love for us to just cut Brown and Brooks just like we did with Simon if it meant they would get a fair chance to show what they can do for another team instead of wasting their talent.

Edited January 13, 2016 by spitfire418

[Ravenseconbeast]

Your first statement is exactly right. He was behind those guys who he basically couldn't beat out no matter what he did and which gave him very limited to no regular season snaps. I'm guessing the team also thought he had no chance to play for us and just decided to cut him because I don't know any other reason that we should've gave up on him so early.

 

Secondly, don't bring preseason games into this. He's a second round pick and flashed potential in his rookie year in the REGULAR season and looked like he could be the starting MLB alongside Daryl Smith or at least have a fair shot at showing what he could do there. Thing is, after he finished his rookie year and got his feet wet, we drafted C.J. Mosley because he was the best player available and it was a good pick for sure. Sadly, this screwed basically any chance that Arthur could earn a starting spot or a whole lot of playing time because we're not going to bench Daryl Smith for several reasons and the fact that C.J. Mosley was our 1st rounder, an Alabama guy, and is most likely a better player than Arthur, but we haven't seen enough to say that is 100% true. You can't say the guy is a bust already. Same goes for other players.

 

It would be very sad, but I'd love for us to just cut Brown and Brooks just like we did with Simon if it meant they would get a fair chance to show what they can do for another team.

 

You keep talking about CJ & Daryl.  But you can get plenty of reps behind those 2.  Arthur wasn't good enough to beat UDFA and depth players behind them.   If you can't beat 3 depth players to get 1 snap per game, you suck.   He was btw terrible in preseasons, which is the only way to really evaluate the guy because that is the only chance he can muster on field.  

[spitfire418]

You keep talking about CJ & Daryl.  But you can get plenty of reps behind those 2.  Arthur wasn't good enough to beat UDFA and depth players behind them.   If you can't beat 3 depth players to get 1 snap per game, you suck.   He was btw terrible in preseasons, which is the only way to really evaluate the guy because that is the only chance he can muster on field.  

CJ and Daryl are the starters is why I'm talking about them. Plus I wouldn't say you can get "plenty" of snaps behind them. Maybe somewhere around 10% of the snaps throughout the whole season which isn't that much. Guys like Orr and McClellan got more snaps this year than Brown did, but none of them got enough to show if they can be a starter or not. I don't think Arthur Brown is some great player, but I'm not going to agree that he is a bust when he hasn't shown that on the field.