Can we start Terrence Brooks already?

[808Blackbirds]

I don't like Mosley this year because he's REALLY bad in coverage and all he seems to be able to do is stop the run, which isn't really a big need because our D-line could stop a comet. My Brooks critism is due to his inability to do much and the fact that we used a 3rd round pick on him. I'd rather not use 3rd round picks on depth players.

 

You expect way too much from someone who is coming back from a serious knee injury. Im not surprised Kendrick is struggling too, this is his first year with the ravens and its not like he was a pro bowl player in KC and Houston. Just give Brooks some time to get his mind right.

Edited November 3, 2015 by 808Blackbirds

[spitfire418]

Brooks hasn't looked great in the limited time he played. I'm in favor of giving him reps and see what he could do, but I won't rely on him stepping up, if the opportunity to take Jalen Ramsey arrives then take it.

He's had his ups and downs. Everyone does. Jalen Ramsey looks good, but once again, anyone can be a bust and safety is such a hard position to play well at as a young player. Same thing with Brooks and even Elam. Most young safeties need playing time for experience as well as several years of practice and learning the game to be good players.

[spitfire418]

FS is an incredibly hard position to learn takes and average of 3years to get it whih is why they brought in Lewis ahead of him - to learn.  I can't tell if Brooks will ever get it, or not, but it may be too early to tell. 

You're exactly right that FS is incredibly hard especially when a player is young and inexperienced. Lewis is not the long term answer and we don't know with Brooks yet, he could be. Lewis starts over Brooks obviously because of experience in the NFL which is fine, but I just think he needs more playing time or even a shot at the starting position at this point in our 2-6 season.

[ratedr]

And here is our problem.

This sums up Ravens fans recently. Curse em when they're here and wish they were back later.

The only move I'm actually mad at is Graham but he didn't want to come back anyway so can't fault Ozzie.

I'll say this about Williams. He never seemed to lack fire. One of the guys who played with passion and we seem to be lacking that on both sides.

I'd only want him back because what we have is trash. In a vacuum I wouldn't take him for the same reason I wouldn't take Torrey---both got deals that exceeded their value.

 

I don't know that the CB situation was that avoidable, which Webb and Jimmy severely regressing, but the WR situation was preventable, at least.

[spitfire418]

A good and relevant example of a young safety who's getting an opportunity for a good playing/learning experience at a young age is Adrian Amos (who we should of drafted, he was a steal in the 5th) for the Chicago Bears. I just feel like we should give Brooks a similar chance that these other young safeties are getting.

[PurpleCity5]

He's had his ups and downs. Everyone does. Jalen Ramsey looks good, but once again, anyone can be a bust and safety is such a hard position to play well at as a young player. Same thing with Brooks and even Elam. Most young safeties need playing time for experience as well as several years of practice and learning the game to be good players.

I don't think you go into the offseason saying "Oh we can just anticipate Brooks will step up" without him getting significant reps. I like Terrence but Ramsey could be one of the best safeties to enter the draft in a long time, not to mention how much of a problem FS is for us. Unless Bosa is there or Hargreaves continues to excels, I don't see us passing on Ramsey and ultimately that'll shut the door on Brooks being a starting safety for us. 

[spitfire418]

I don't think you go into the offseason saying "Oh we can just anticipate Brooks will step up" without him getting significant reps. I like Terrence but Ramsey could be one of the best safeties to enter the draft in a long time, not to mention how much of a problem FS is for us. Unless Bosa is there or Hargreaves continues to excels, I don't see us passing on Ramsey and ultimately that'll shut the door on Brooks being a starting safety for us. 

I don't say we pass on Ramsey, but as you said he needs to get more reps and hopefully he will. It would basically close the door on Brooks if we got him which is sad because we don't know what we have in him. It would be like what happened with Arthur Brown. I would much rather get Hargreaves, the man is a baller. I watch him every week (Gators fan) and he is the real deal. Honestly I think we need a corner as much if not more than a safety.

[PurpleCity5]

I don't say we pass on Ramsey, but as you said he needs to get more reps and hopefully he will. It would basically close the door on Brooks if we got him which is sad because we don't know what we have in him. It would be like what happened with Arthur Brown. I would much rather get Hargreaves, the man is a baller. I watch him every week (Gators fan) and he is the real deal. Honestly I think we need a corner as much if not more than a safety.

I agree, It would be sad especially given how hard he worked to rehab from that season ending injury but at this point he's such a question mark. If he doesn't get any reps from this point on then I don't want to see us rely on him to be our starting FS. 

 

I like Hargreaves a lot....A LOT....I think he's a stud but my gut feeling is going with Ramsey simply because of need. I also disagree with CB being a need more than FS. We absolutely need a FS really bad. Too many big plays are allowed because of the lack of a coverage safety, not to mention the lack of play-making and awareness. We need all of that badly. 

[spitfire418]

I agree, It would be sad especially given how hard he worked to rehab from that season ending injury but at this point he's such a question mark. If he doesn't get any reps from this point on then I don't want to see us rely on him to be our starting FS. 

 

I like Hargreaves a lot....A LOT....I think he's a stud but my gut feeling is going with Ramsey simply because of need. I also disagree with CB being a need more than FS. We absolutely need a FS really bad. Too many big plays are allowed because of the lack of a coverage safety, not to mention the lack of play-making and awareness. We need all of that badly. 

Yeah who even knows if we'll have a chance to get either Ramsey or Hargreaves. As of now I'm just hoping that Brooks stays healthy and gets more reps or even starts for us.

[PurpleCity5]

Yeah who even knows if we'll have a chance to get either Ramsey or Hargreaves. As of now I'm just hoping that Brooks stays healthy and gets more reps or even starts for us.

I would love to see Brooks take over at FS and do well enough to lock up the job, then we can possibly take Hargreaves which would be a pipe dream for me, but there's just too much uncertainty around Brooks. 

[spitfire418]

I would love to see Brooks take over at FS and do well enough to lock up the job, then we can possibly take Hargreaves which would be a pipe dream for me, but there's just too much uncertainty around Brooks. 

That would be my dream too. Could you imagine that secondary. The only uncertainty around Brooks for me is his ability to stay healthy. His knee injury was so unfortunate the way it happened, but he worked so hard to get back from it. His thumb injury also sucks because it didn't even looked like he hurt it (he played the end of the Browns game with that injury which shows his toughness). He could've played against the Chargers, but I'm glad he didn't because he gets the bye week now which should get him all rested up and back to about 100% (his knee might not be 100% still).

[808Blackbirds]

i rather have Brooks starting at FS and drafting Ramsey or Hargreaves for CB than drafting Ramsey for FS and having Webb starting.

[Static]

I dont see how Lewis is better in any shape way or form than Brooks.

[Cillmatic]

At this point I'd want Brooks to get a chance just was we can confirm that he's not good. Would suck to draft Ramsey just to have Brooks be a superstar. However I doubt this team gives him a starting spot.

Edited November 4, 2015 by Cillmatic

[GrimCoconut]

I like Brooks but I haven't seen anything from him in the NFL yet that says he's anything more than JAG. FS is still a major need. This is coming from a big fan of his coming out of FSU

[spitfire418]

At this point I'd want Brooks to get a chance just was we can confirm that he's not good. Would suck to draft Ramsey just to have Brooks be a superstar. However I doubt this team gives him a starting spot.

I like Brooks but I haven't seen anything from him in the NFL yet that says he's anything more than JAG. FS is still a major need. This is coming from a big fan of his coming out of FSU

You can't say he's bad until he gets a good amount of playing time. Also you can't look past the play and the mistakes of all of our secondary players this year. Everyone makes mistakes.

[hawkprey]

I really like Brooks as a true FS, who Kendrick Lewis doesn't seem to be. Pushing Will Hill into the full-time SS role would also be nice. He's been battling injuries, but when he's healthy he should definitely get a shot. 

[spitfire418]

I really like Brooks as a true FS, who Kendrick Lewis doesn't seem to be. Pushing Will Hill into the full-time SS role would also be nice. He's been battling injuries, but when he's healthy he should definitely get a shot. 

I think Brooks could play both FS and SS. At the minimum he can tackle and blitz very well which relates to more of a box safety or SS.

[hawkprey]

I think Brooks could play both FS and SS. At the minimum he can tackle and blitz very well which relates to more of a box safety or SS.

I agree, but I think he could ALSO be a full-time free safety. Kendrick Lewis just gives up too many plays to stick back there in every defensive package.

[spitfire418]

I agree, but I think he could ALSO be a full-time free safety. Kendrick Lewis just gives up too many plays to stick back there in every defensive package.

Yeah of course he could. That's what I want him to be. A starting FS next to Will Hill at SS. I was just saying he has some versatility to play all around. He tackles well and I love his blitzing ability.

[hawkprey]

Yeah of course he could. That's what I want him to be. A starting FS next to Will Hill at SS. I was just saying he has some versatility to play all around. He tackles well and I love his blitzing ability.

Alright then, let's stop patting each other on the back and prepare a statue in his honor!

[spitfire418]

Alright then, let's stop patting each other on the back and prepare a statue in his honor!

Haha good one

[GrimCoconut]

You can't say he's bad until he gets a good amount of playing time. Also you can't look past the play and the mistakes of all of our secondary players this year. Everyone makes mistakes.

Where did I call him bad? Please tell me. 

[spitfire418]

Where did I call him bad? Please tell me. 

Sorry I've never multiquoted before, but I was responding to both comments. I know you didn't say he was bad.

[GrimCoconut]

Sorry I've never multiquoted before, but I was responding to both comments. I know you didn't say he was bad.

Okay fair enough.

I like Brooks FWIW but he just hasn't flashed like I'd like to have hope he'll be more than JAG. I really hope he does soon though, because we could use a good FS.

[Static]

I might be biased because I am partial to Brooks but:

 

 

1. He's only ever been in in bad overall secondaries so its even harder for him to play well.

 

2. His playing time has been low not only that but its been spotty. On and off and sometimes and never.

 

3. Injuries.

[GrimCoconut]

I might be biased because I am partial to Brooks but:

1. He's only ever been in in bad overall secondaries so its even harder for him to play well.

2. His playing time has been low not only that but its been spotty. On and off and sometimes and never.

3. Injuries.

Playing devil's advocate here, but people here say that a good FS will make a bad secondary look better so what is it?

[spitfire418]

I might be biased because I am partial to Brooks but:

 

 

1. He's only ever been in in bad overall secondaries so its even harder for him to play well.

 

2. His playing time has been low not only that but its been spotty. On and off and sometimes and never.

 

3. Injuries.

I agree, our secondary as a whole is playing bad so you can't only look at his mistakes. He hasn't really been used right either, kind of like Elam. You can't throw all these young DB's around the field and expect them to be amazing. They need to play the position they fit and stay in that one spot to be good. Also, the injuries have been unfortunate for him, but he has worked hard to get back from them.

[spitfire418]

Playing devil's advocate here, but people here say that a good FS will make a bad secondary look better so what is it?

A good FS would make a bad secondary look better and obviously Kendrick Lewis isn't doing that.

[GrimCoconut]

A good FS would make a bad secondary look better and obviously Kendrick Lewis isn't doing that.

I actually don't disagree but how's it possible that same argument goes both ways? Perhaps the reality is good players make the secondary look better. I think that's the real key here. I don't think it's necessarily contingent on FS or CB or whatever. After all, good CB can also make bad safeties look better.