2016 Cap Space

[Sherly_Tebow]

How significant is Webbs injury right now?

[PurpleCity5]

I don't want to see him cut either, but he is not consistently healthy.  We need to have guys that can be counted on to be there every week.  I agree he has looked good recently and he seems to thrive playing in the slot, but I think his chances of staying are right around 50%.  There are only 3 safeties worth our time in FA and they are Weddle, Gipson and Berry.  I do not think we have a realistic chance of either of those 3 guys

I think we do have a shot at Weddle and Gipson. Weddle seems like a long shot as he's trying to cash out and there are some teams out there like Jacksonville or Tennessee that will pay a lot of money for a guy like him. He's turning 31, what if he cares about winning as well? I think we have a shot at him. I definetely think we have a shot at Gipson. It's a contract year for him and he's been hampered by injuries and is about to miss his 2nd straight game, that has to hurt his argument that he should be in line for the big extension he desires. Not that it has to do with injuries, but if you want a big contract than you have to prove it on the field during contract year and Gipson isn't getting that chance right now.

[PurpleCity5]

I don't want to see him cut either, but he is not consistently healthy.  We need to have guys that can be counted on to be there every week.  I agree he has looked good recently and he seems to thrive playing in the slot, but I think his chances of staying are right around 50%.  There are only 3 safeties worth our time in FA and they are Weddle, Gipson and Berry.  I do not think we have a realistic chance of either of those 3 guys

To add, I don't see us cutting him if we don't have an immediate plan to replace him. Usually when we cut or trade a guy, it's because we have someone else next in line to step up or we're signing someone who can do the job. If we don't have a CB that can step up or sign a guy that can do Webbs job, then I don't see us cutting ties with him. 

Edited October 16, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[darklight1216]

I wouldn't cut Webb. He was having a good season until that injury Sunday, not to mention he really only had one injury prone year, that was last season. I don't consider Webb injury prone because of a torn ACL. Those are freak accidents. He had a strong 2013 campaign in which he rebounded from that torn ACL and looked good. Also, Id rather sign a FA FS then a FA CB.

He tore both ACLs plus last year's back injury and he missed time during the 2015 preseason and now he's injured again during the regular season too.

[Ravens2343]

I think we do have a shot at Weddle and Gipson. Weddle seems like a long shot as he's trying to cash out and there are some teams out there like Jacksonville or Tennessee that will pay a lot of money for a guy like him. He's turning 31, what if he cares about winning as well? I think we have a shot at him. I definetely think we have a shot at Gipson. It's a contract year for him and he's been hampered by injuries and is about to miss his 2nd straight game, that has to hurt his argument that he should be in line for the big extension he desires. Not that it has to do with injuries, but if you want a big contract than you have to prove it on the field during contract year and Gipson isn't getting that chance right now.

 

We rarely ever spend big on free agents so I will be cautiously optimistic that we could land Weddle or Gipson.  Of the two of them I would prefer Gipson because he is more rangy and will only be 26 at the start of next year.  Both of those guys will probably get 8-10 million annually on their next deals with the cap rising and teams like Oakland, Jacksonville and Chicago who have a ton of space and need safety help.  I will be ecstatic if we land one of them, but I wouldn't be surprised if we address it in the draft or roll with Terrence Brooks as our starting FS.

To add, I don't see us cutting him if we don't have an immediate plan to replace him. Usually when we cut or trade a guy, it's because we have someone else next in line to step up or we're signing someone who can do the job. If we don't have a CB that can step up or sign a guy that can do Webbs job, then I don't see us cutting ties with him. 

 

Cornerback is where I think we will make a free agent splash more so then safety.  A guy like Keenan Lewis could be cut or we could go after someone like Jenkins, Hayward or Smith.  I agree that Webb has a chance to stay, but I also wouldn't be surprised to see us go hard in the draft, sign a F/A and rely on Arrington and Davis for depth as well.

[rmcjacket23]

I know this is the definition of a pipe dream but Von Miller's a free agent this season... I'll go I over there now.

Never leaving Denver...

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Haven't been too active lately, but are we already back to the off-season talks with 11 games left? I wonder how many players being discussed right now will not be hurt, retired, suspended or completely unavailable before the end of this season.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Prepare the cap for the offseason and go see if you can get a Prince Amukamara or someone along the lines of that.

[B-more Ravor]

A comprehensive look at the Ravens 2016 Salary Cap -

http://russellstreetreport.com/2015/...y-cap-preview/

HINT: The starting position (after all/most ERFA/RFA tenders) is negative Cap space.

[Tank 92]

A comprehensive look at the Ravens 2016 Salary Cap -

http://russellstreetreport.com/2015/...y-cap-preview/

HINT: The starting position (after all/most ERFA/RFA tenders) is negative Cap space.

 

 

So, if Pitta retires, or is a post June 1 cut,  we carry $2.2 mil. next year, and $4.4 in 2017? 

[B-more Ravor]

So, if Pitta retires, or is a post June 1 cut,  we carry $2.2 mil. next year, and $4.4 in 2017? 

 

Depends on whether it's pre- or post-June 1.

 

Pre-June 1: $600K in savings and all $6.6M in dead money against 2016 Cap (but none on 2017 Cap)

 

or

 

Post-June 1 (or using post-June 1 exemption): $5M saved against 2016 Cap with only $2.2M in dead money in 2016, but $4.4M in dead money pushed onto 2017 Cap

[Tank 92]

Depends on whether it's pre- or post-June 1.

 

Pre-June 1: $600K in savings and all $6.6M in dead money against 2016 Cap (but none on 2017 Cap)

 

or

 

Post-June 1 (or using post-June 1 exemption): $5M saved against 2016 Cap with only $2.2M in dead money in 2016, but $4.4M in dead money pushed onto 2017 Cap

 

 

So no difference if he retires or he is cut?

[rmcjacket23]

So no difference if he retires or he is cut?

Correct.

[B-more Ravor]

So no difference if he retires or he is cut?

 

Yes, no difference.

 

If he retires and the team would prefer post-June 1 treatment, they would ask him to hold off and wait to file his retirement papers until after June 1.  Otherwise, if they could always release him prior to his retirement and use the June 1 designation.

 

Either way, though, for any post-June 1 retirement/release (Pitta or anyone else), the Cap savings isn't realized until after June 1, so the player still counts fully against the Cap until June 2.  So, the $5M in Cap savings if Pitta is dealt with as a post-June 1 transaction isn't available until then.

[rmw10]

Yes, no difference.

 

If he retires and the team would prefer post-June 1 treatment, they would ask him to hold off and wait to file his retirement papers until after June 1.  Otherwise, if they could always release him prior to his retirement and use the June 1 designation.

 

Either way, though, for any post-June 1 retirement/release (Pitta or anyone else), the Cap savings isn't realized until after June 1, so the player still counts fully against the Cap until June 2.  So, the $5M in Cap savings if Pitta is dealt with as a post-June 1 transaction isn't available until then.

 

And it's not exactly a bad thing in this case.  We'd only be talking about missing out on $600K until June 1st, and I doubt that amount would be the difference between us getting a guy or not prior to that date.  Seems like a much better option sacrificing that money in order to spread that dead money over the 2 years.

Edited October 25, 2015 by rmw10

[B-more Ravor]

And it's not exactly a bad thing in this case.  We'd only be talking about missing out on $600K until June 1st, and I doubt that amount would be the difference between us getting a guy or not prior to that date.  Seems like a much better option sacrificing that money in order to spread that dead money over the 2 years.

 

 

Yes.  And, that money can become available for signing their draft picks - if they didn't have enough space prior to that - or to carry into the season (as we've seen, injury replacement funds can become critical).

[B-more Ravor]

Since the issue of dead money and its impact on the 2016 Cap comes up often - and there is a lot of confusion about that:

 

http://russellstreetreport.com/2015/10/29/baltimore-ravens-salary-cap/the-myths-about-salary-cap-dead-money/

 

The misconception probably comes from the all too frequently repeated mantra that “$21M in dead money will come off of the books” after this season. While it is true that there presently isn’t $21M in dead money counting on the 2016, it was never there to start with, so there’s no $21M to come off of the 2016 Cap in the first place.

 

The reason for this is that each year’s Cap calculation is its own separate calculation. Each year sees players’ salaries increase, so you can’t simply say that the removal of the dead money will create space the following year. So, because the number of players under contract for each year and the cost of those players from year to year are not static, there really is no correlation between the dead money on one year’s Cap to that of the next year.