2016 Cap Space

[GrimCoconut]

Sure... just makes it difficult to retain some of our other players and sign some guys.

Certainly makes adding secondary help exponentially more difficult.

It's true, but who's really worth keeping? I see Tucker and Yanda as our only guys we must retain next year.

[rmw10]

It's true, but who's really worth keeping? I see Tucker and Yanda as our only guys we must retain next year.

 

Yep those are the only 2 that I think we have to keep.  I think Upshaw could be in play depending on price, but I'm not concerned about him walking if he does.  I think we like his contributions on the edge despite him never being much of a pass rusher.  McClellan and Cox are the only other 2 I'd really be looking at and they're obviously going to be cheap.

 

2017 free agency though… Will Hill, Brandon Williams, and Rick Wagner are due that year.  Williams is going to get paid.  Wagner is kind of wait and see, as is Hill.

[rmcjacket23]

It's true, but who's really worth keeping? I see Tucker and Yanda as our only guys we must retain next year.

Depends. The way I see, there could easily be a number of "holes" that need to be filled...

 

FS looks like a position that needs upgrading, as does at least one CB, a pass rusher (even if its just a complementary one), probably even a DE. We don't retain Upshaw either, and we're looking for another run stopper like him.

 

And that's before we get to the offense. How great do you feel about our LT situation right now? What happens if Perriman doesn't play at all this season? You've got Jeffery, basically a rookie in Perriman, and the rest of the scrubs we have now, half of which probably won't even be asked back.

 

The way I see it... there's AT LEAST 4-5 positions that we could easily be looking for an upgrade on come this offseason, and that's excluding WR. We are good at drafting, but we aren't nearly that good.

[Ravens2343]

It's true, but who's really worth keeping? I see Tucker and Yanda as our only guys we must retain next year.

 

Wagner and Williams will be eligible for extensions I believe next offseason.  Williams will most likely get his then and we may wait on Wagner.  We would need to extend Flacco and cut bait with guys like Webb, Canty, McClellan and benefit from Smith Sr. and most likely Pitta retiring.  We would gut our team of a lot of veterans but it may be worth it to bring Jeffery on and use the draft to bulk up the defense

Edited September 29, 2015 by Ravens2343

[PurpleCity5]

Sure... just makes it difficult to retain some of our other players and sign some guys.

 

Certainly makes adding secondary help exponentially more difficult.

I agree with Grim, I don't see anyone worth extending except for Tucker and Yanda. I doubt Upshaw will be expensive. 

[rmw10]

Depends. The way I see, there could easily be a number of "holes" that need to be filled...

 

FS looks like a position that needs upgrading, as does at least one CB, a pass rusher (even if its just a complementary one), probably even a DE. We don't retain Upshaw either, and we're looking for another run stopper like him.

 

And that's before we get to the offense. How great do you feel about our LT situation right now? What happens if Perriman doesn't play at all this season? You've got Jeffery, basically a rookie in Perriman, and the rest of the scrubs we have now, half of which probably won't even be asked back.

 

The way I see it... there's AT LEAST 4-5 positions that we could easily be looking for an upgrade on come this offseason, and that's excluding WR. We are good at drafting, but we aren't nearly that good.

 

That's the tough part.  We're absolutely going to have to make a couple of plays in free agency if we want to fill all of those holes.  Unfortunately, we're also looking at some expensive positions where we have needs.  I'd say right now WR, CB, and OLB/pass rusher as the top needs.  I wouldn't be surprised at all if we looked at some LT and FS options as well, but I imagine the former is pushed off for another year.

[RavensFanMania]

Most of what anyone would ever want to know about NFL salary situations and team cap details: http://overthecap.com

 

Asking about key FAs is always kind of the wrong question to ask when talking about Ozzie, since signing FAs entails sacrificing Compensatory picks. The real question is who will be next season's cap casualties. 

The Skins will cut either DJax or Pierre Garcon as both are over 10million

[GrimCoconut]

Depends. The way I see, there could easily be a number of "holes" that need to be filled...

FS looks like a position that needs upgrading, as does at least one CB, a pass rusher (even if its just a complementary one), probably even a DE. We don't retain Upshaw either, and we're looking for another run stopper like him.

And that's before we get to the offense. How great do you feel about our LT situation right now? What happens if Perriman doesn't play at all this season? You've got Jeffery, basically a rookie in Perriman, and the rest of the scrubs we have now, half of which probably won't even be asked back.

The way I see it... there's AT LEAST 4-5 positions that we could easily be looking for an upgrade on come this offseason, and that's excluding WR. We are good at drafting, but we aren't nearly that good.

Ozzie usually does a good job filling holes. I'm not really concerned there. FS is important but I don't see any FS we can get on the open market. We've got to roll with what we got imo or go to the draft or trade for someone.

LT is a tricky situation but Monroe is going nowhere. I don't see it getting fixed in free agency.

WR is a need next year, especially with Smith Sr retiring. That we do know. Getting Jeffrey helps with that and means we can focus the draft elsewhere.

[RavensFanMania]

The way SSS is playing, I think he comes back for another year

I doubt it but that would be terrific.

[Ravens2343]

The Skins will cut either DJax or Pierre Garcon as both are over 10million

 

No way DJax comes here, way to much baggage. Garcon would not be a bad fit

 

Ozzie usually does a good job filling holes. I'm not really concerned there. FS is important but I don't see any FS we can get on the open market. We've got to roll with what we got imo or go to the draft or trade for someone.

LT is a tricky situation but Monroe is going nowhere. I don't see it getting fixed in free agency.

WR is a need next year, especially with Smith Sr retiring. That we do know. Getting Jeffrey helps with that and means we can focus the draft elsewhere.

 

I agree with all of this.  We need to make a bigger sized move in free agency or trade this year though.  Jeffery or to fix our safety need what about Eric Weddle?  I know he is probably going to be expensive, but he would be a massive upgrade on Lewis

[RavensFanMania]

No way DJax comes here, way to much baggage. Garcon would not be a bad fit

 

 

I agree with all of this.  We need to make a bigger sized move in free agency or trade this year though.  Jeffery or to fix our safety need what about Eric Weddle?  I know he is probably going to be expensive, but he would be a massive upgrade on Lewis

The baggage was way overblown when he left Philly and was total lie.  He's been a model citizen with the Skins, but he's an awful blocker.  He would be a player Flacco could not overthrow, but he doesn't run much else outside of the 9 route.  I agree Pierre Garcon is a better fit.  He's played in this system under Shanahan and is in a version of the wco under gruden now.  He's an excellent blocker as well and we do like our WR to block downfield.

[GrimCoconut]

No way DJax comes here, way to much baggage. Garcon would not be a bad fit

I agree with all of this. We need to make a bigger sized move in free agency or trade this year though. Jeffery or to fix our safety need what about Eric Weddle? I know he is probably going to be expensive, but he would be a massive upgrade on Lewis

I think Jeffrey makes sense because it's similar to Monroe. Trade with a team to get a guy at a position of need to use him for the year and extend him later if we like him. He makes a ton of sense here as well. He's also a need and with Perriman being hurt, he makes a ton of sense. It's not like we're trading for a guy we don't necessarily need. WR is a need.

As for Weddle, eh, I dunno. I like him but he's getting up there and on top of it, I recall him complaining about his pay this offseason. I'm not sure we can afford him or that we'd want to pay him what he wants.

[BSHU_Miami]

Wait who said alshon is available??

[rmcjacket23]

Wait who said alshon is available??

Actually, nobody. Just rumors and speculation at this point.

 

In essence, because the Bears traded away two largely unproductive players yesterday, the whole world thinks they are just going to sell off everybody who is good, which I don't see.

[rmcjacket23]

Ozzie usually does a good job filling holes. I'm not really concerned there. FS is important but I don't see any FS we can get on the open market. We've got to roll with what we got imo or go to the draft or trade for someone.

LT is a tricky situation but Monroe is going nowhere. I don't see it getting fixed in free agency.

WR is a need next year, especially with Smith Sr retiring. That we do know. Getting Jeffrey helps with that and means we can focus the draft elsewhere.

I only bring up LT because Monroe is largely hurt, not playing great when he is here, and Hurst has been unbelievably bad. 

 

While it would leave $6.6M in dead money (largely irrelevant though and a terrible idea to use dead money as a decision maker), you could get Monroe and free up $2.1M in cap space in 2016.

 

The ONLY way I see this happening is if the Ravens get a quality draft pick and decide that the best available player there is a LT, which if you're picking inside the top 15, there's a pretty good chance there will be quality LT's available.

 

I don't expect this to happen, however. I'm merely pointing out that filling 4-5 positional needs via the draft or even FA in a single offseason is unbelievably difficult. Some would argue we failed to address barely any of our "need" areas this offseason, despite having 4 or 5 and maybe some attempted moves to fill them.

[BSHU_Miami]

Actually, nobody. Just rumors and speculation at this point.

In essence, because the Bears traded away two largely unproductive players yesterday, the whole world thinks they are just going to sell off everybody who is good, which I don't see.

ok, I only seen one tweet saying that him and forte are available. Just one though.

[redlobster]

The problem with giving up a 2nd is it would be very high based off of the current record etc, you could get a hell of a player for cheap with that pick.

[curtis0360]

If what people are saying is true, then we sure can go shopping for some stars cant we. Can anybody say dez bryant?. What about von miller?. I know ozzie doesnt like doing that, but really the cap room we will have i dont see why we dont go shopping. Then if this losing record persists then we can draft jalen ramsay, that would be a heck of an offseason for us what do you guys think. 

[Cillmatic]

Forget Alshon, draft Boyd, sign JPP and Prince.

Win super bowl.

Question. If Pitta and Suggs retire do they still count against the 2016 cap?

Edited September 30, 2015 by Cillmatic

[ratedr]

Question. If Pitta and Suggs retire do they still count against the 2016 cap?

Unfortunately I believe the answer is yes...we still had dead money from Ray Lewis in 2013 I think.

[Cillmatic]

Unfortunately I believe the answer is yes...we still had dead money from Ray Lewis in 2013 I think.

Wow, that's really lame. Why should the team have to play a player AFTER he quits/retires?

[rmw10]

Wow, that's really lame. Why should the team have to play a player AFTER he quits/retires?

You aren't paying them more money. The money that stays on the cap is money that was paid out already in the signing bonus. That can't just disappear from the cap.

[GrimCoconut]

If what people are saying is true, then we sure can go shopping for some stars cant we. Can anybody say dez bryant?. What about von miller?. I know ozzie doesnt like doing that, but really the cap room we will have i dont see why we dont go shopping. Then if this losing record persists then we can draft jalen ramsay, that would be a heck of an offseason for us what do you guys think. 

Yeah, that's a great idea. Let's trade for Dez Bryant. While we're at it, let's see if the Jets don't mind giving us Revis. Maybe we can swindle Weddle from the Chargers, too. None of these teams need good players & teams always trade guys who just signed deals the same year they signed them. 

Edited September 30, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[ratedr]

Wow, that's really lame. Why should the team have to play a player AFTER he quits/retires?

Suggs is unfortunate luck but the team only has themselves to blame for that awful Pitta contract.

[curtis0360]

Yeah, that's a great idea. Let's trade for Dez Bryant. While we're at it, let's see if the Jets don't mind giving us Revis. Maybe we can swindle Weddle from the Chargers, too. None of these teams need good players & teams always trade guys who just signed deals the same year they signed them. 

LOL alright i get it, sounded desperate

[rmcjacket23]

LOL alright i get it, sounded desperate

While it sounds like $15-20M is a lot of cap space, its really not when you compare it to other teams in the league.

 

We're pretty much guaranteed to be in the bottom third in the league in terms of cap space available. So even if it is $20M, there's going to be teams walking around with $40M+ in cap space as well. A couple of them might be in our own division, so just because we have money to spend doesn't mean we can just get whoever we want. There will be competition for players from other teams, and some of them will likely be able to pay more than we can.

[curtis0360]

While it sounds like $15-20M is a lot of cap space, its really not when you compare it to other teams in the league.

 

We're pretty much guaranteed to be in the bottom third in the league in terms of cap space available. So even if it is $20M, there's going to be teams walking around with $40M+ in cap space as well. A couple of them might be in our own division, so just because we have money to spend doesn't mean we can just get whoever we want. There will be competition for players from other teams, and some of them will likely be able to pay more than we can.

Alright true, so i hear alshon jeffrey and matt forte are free agents next year. Think ozzie will go for them?

[sflegend89]

Personally I'm getting sick of pick hoarding and bargain bin shopping, it's a good tactic when you can hit on your bargain FA's and get a lot of day 1 contribution out of your draft picks but when you miss you pay the price like we are this year (It's a good draft class, but very young and raw this year). It can pay off like with Forsett and Daniels but it can also fail miserably and I'm not fond of the gamble this classic Ozzie philosophy entails anymore. So far Arrington and Kendrick Lewis have been massive whiffs, yet we passed up the likes of Raheem Moore and Browner/Cox/Culliver because they went at mid tier prices when we knew all along we could trade/cut Ngata to get the cap room if we needed it.

 

Even teams like the Patriots who have a similar philosophy of not going after high profile FA's are smart enough to go after guys like Jabaal Sheard in FA who may not be bargain bin price range but are worth the money they command. Ozzie doesn't even go after guys that are truly worth their asking price if they aren't dirt cheap and it's coming back to bite us. We cheapskated out on Perrish Cox negotiations, looking at our corner situation now try to tell me Cox wasn't worth his asking price.

 

Would it kill us to get one "gimme" signing in FA, one guy you can look at and say "the odds of him succeeding are good". Way too many young guys being asked to play beyond their means this year and we're paying for it, building through the draft is important but when you abandon FA completely to hoard picks you're not putting the team in the best position to succeed imo. I like that we don't get suckered into paying massive contracts to other team's FA's but I also don't like the extent to which we shop out of the bargain bin. There needs to be a balance, much like NE and GB.

Edited September 30, 2015 by sflegend89

[rmcjacket23]

Alright true, so i hear alshon jeffrey and matt forte are free agents next year. Think ozzie will go for them?

Forte no, he will be 30-31. We will probably look to get younger at RB.

 

Jeffery who knows. He will likely get resigned by Chicago or get franchised tagged, so I don't expect him to ever hit the market to begin with.

[curtis0360]

Forte no, he will be 30-31. We will probably look to get younger at RB.

 

Jeffery who knows. He will likely get resigned by Chicago or get franchised tagged, so I don't expect him to ever hit the market to begin with.

I disagree i like forte, i didnt think forsett would have another good year to be honest, forte would be serviceable until we can find someone. Forte knows the system, forte is experienced, patient. I dont know about you but if this running game woe continues then we might need him, because god knows how long it will be till we draft a good running back.