2016 Cap Space

[rmcjacket23]

So even if a player decides to retire, we are on the hook for the upcoming year while they sit at home?

No, we are on the hook for the dead money that comes from his bonuses that were already paid to him.

 

We aren't responsible for his current year salary. From a cash perspective, the Ravens would owe Suggs nothing if he retired. From a cap perspective, its substantial.

[redlobster]

What's the deal with Suggs's contract? I don't want to think like this, but I have to be realistic...an achilles tear at his age could lead to retirement.

 

Cutting him next year would result in an dead money of around $10million

Cutting him in 2017 would be $5.9 million in dead money and savings of $1 million

[rmcjacket23]

Cutting him next year would result in an dead money of around $10million

Cutting him in 2017 would be $5.9 million in dead money and savings of $1 million

Correct.

 

Short answer to the Suggs question: if Suggs wants to play next year, he is 100% playing for the Ravens. And frankly, if he wants to play in 2017, it will likely be for the Ravens as well.

 

Cutting him isn't really financially viable until 2018, so if he wants to be here, he will be.

[Sami84]

As it stands we're projected to have around 13 mil in cap space next year. Cutting Webb will get it to 16 million, and cutting Pitta gets it to $17 million. The team is so young that we're projected to have tons of cap space without having Flacco restructure. Because the cap is projected to be at $150,000,000 which would not surprise me at all. Forsett being cut(which we should. I think he's a product of a good oline) makes it 19 million.

Cutting Chris Canty then gets it to $21 Million. Now I think we retain

Yanda. He'll retire here. Has a few more great seasons left.

Upshaw. A LB who's great vs the run and allows us to keep people fresh if we draft/sign a pass rusher? Yes Please.

Jensen(good depth RFA)

Aiken(RFA)

Brown(RFA)

Tucker(kicker so cheaper).

So that'll probably give us roughly $10 to play with for FA before Flacco restructures his contract.

 

upshaw isn't that great against the run. he's solid..and bad at everything else. I'd cut him. Aiken and brown need to go.

Edited September 28, 2015 by Sami84

[ratedr]

Correct.

 

Short answer to the Suggs question: if Suggs wants to play next year, he is 100% playing for the Ravens. And frankly, if he wants to play in 2017, it will likely be for the Ravens as well.

 

Cutting him isn't really financially viable until 2018, so if he wants to be here, he will be.

Does retirement change the cap situation at all, or is that just dead money we'll have to carry around until 2018.

[rmcjacket23]

Does retirement change the cap situation at all, or is that just dead money we'll have to carry around until 2018.

In his case, it changes nothing. He doesn't have any more guaranteed money owed to him on his contract after this season, so everything else is just dead money. We've paid him $14.75M in bonus money on his new deal, which is prorated for the life of the contract.

 

So we still have cap hits of $2.95M in each of the next three seasons that will hit the cap, regardless of whether he's on the roster or not. So if he were to retired, the full amount of that would become "due" to the salary cap immediately.

 

So if he retires, his cap hit for 2016 would be just under $9M in 2016. If he's on the roster under his current contract terms, his cap hit would be about $7.5M. So if he chooses to retire (which by all indications he won't), he would actually cost about $1.5M more against the cap than if he was playing.

[Tru11]

suggs aint going nowhere.

[Cillmatic]

I think its very likely we picked Treadwell if he's there....extremely actually. I don't see us passing on him at all. He's a beast. I don't wanna go deep into the draft, but since we're talking about cap I do believe a Vet WR is where we'll fill in the spots. Aiken is a #3 at best.

Idk if Treadwell's the best WR in the draft, that guy Tyler Boyd looks like he could be a 1000 WR RIGHT NOW, great routes, size, speed, and hands. Everything you'd want out of a #1. Also, I don't think Aiken's even a good #4, he's awful. I'd be way more happy with a depth chart of:

1. Boyd

2. Perriman

3.Waller/Camp

Edited September 28, 2015 by Cillmatic

[Willbacker]

Cutting him next year would result in an dead money of around $10million

Cutting him in 2017 would be $5.9 million in dead money and savings of $1 million

We gotta hope there's 2 more years in him.

[Cillmatic]

Jason Pierre-Paul is a free agent soon

[PurpleCity5]

Idk if Treadwell's the best WR in the draft, that guy Tyler Boyd looks like he could be a 1000 WR RIGHT NOW, great routes, size, speed, and hands. Everything you'd want out of a #1. Also, I don't think Aiken's even a good #4, he's awful. I'd be way more happy with a depth chart of:

1. Boyd

2. Perriman

3.Waller/Camp

I'd love Boyd as well. Either one of them is totally fine by me! 

[Cillmatic]

I'd love Boyd as well. Either one of them is totally fine by me!

If bet hard money on Boyd being a pro bowler his first year. If we play our cards right(by sucking) we might actually have a lot of high picks, say we he's up with a top 5 or 10 pick we could probably trade down and get a 2nd round pick in return while also picking Boyd in the late first round. That would be 1 first rounder, two seconds and 2 thirds(comp pick). Ozzie would have a heart attack. Edited September 28, 2015 by Cillmatic

[PurpleCity5]

If bet hard money on Boyd being a pro bowler his first year. If we play our cards right(by sucking) we might actually have a lot of high picks, say we he's up with a top 5 or 10 pick we could probably trade down and get a 2nd round pick in return while also picking Boyd in the late first round. That would be 1 first rounder, two seconds and 2 thirds(comp pick). Ozzie would have a heart attack.

If I had to put in a guess, with the way we're playing right now, we're probably picking in the early teens. We have a good shot at Boyd or Treadwell if things go right. Don't forget we could move into the late portion of the top ten if we really like one of those guys. I don't wanna feel like I'm hijacking but draft picks does have to do with cap space so either one with help us be flexible with our cap. I feel like we'll sign a starting caliber CB while forking over a comp.

Edited September 28, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[PurpleCity5]

I feel like we could sign a legit CB in the offseason like Prince Amukamara. In 2016 Ngata and Rice will be off the books. Even with Joe's double cap increase we should have more money to work with and with a new deal we should lower it plenty. I feel like we'll be much more flexible. 

 

I don't see us cutting Sizzle, the savings are small and we'll be losing a lot. We can't replace him at the moment. I can also see us extending Brandon Williams since he'll be a FA in 2017.  

 

If I have to pick a cut guy, I'll prob have to say Zuttah. 

 

I'll hold my reservations on Webb and see how his season plays out. 

[Cillmatic]

Fun fact: 1/3 of our salary cap wasn't playing on Sunday.

[ratedr]

Fun fact: 1/3 of our salary cap wasn't playing on Sunday.

Thankfully a lot of that (namely Rice and Ngata) will be off the books after this year.

 

Giving Pitta that contract though...dumb dumb dumb.

[TuckerTime9]

Rueben Randle is a FA this offseason... He could be a good somewhat cheap signing. The kids got talent and Flacco will probably allow him more opportunities than Eli Manning

[rmcjacket23]

If I had to put in a guess, with the way we're playing right now, we're probably picking in the early teens. We have a good shot at Boyd or Treadwell if things go right. Don't forget we could move into the late portion of the top ten if we really like one of those guys. I don't wanna feel like I'm hijacking but draft picks does have to do with cap space so either one with help us be flexible with our cap. I feel like we'll sign a starting caliber CB while forking over a comp.

I honestly can't see any scenario where the team spends back to back first round picks on a WR. Its much more likely they throw their eggs in the Perriman basket and get a FA veteran signing/trade, much like Boldin/SSS. I think they feel a healthy and productive Perriman coupled with a veteran FA/trade and two TEs who can seemingly play well will really get our offense going. It actually would be somewhat similar to the 2012 offense.

 

Given what I've seen right now, the first round pick could very well go in at least a half dozen different directions frankly. A defensive end who can push the pocket is a possibility, and corner and safety are obvious spots where an upgrade is possible. You could also potentially be looking at RB at that spot, and potentially offensive line, given the injuries and overall poor play from Monroe and Hurst so far.

 

Frankly, as it stands now, I'd be shocked if we used a first round pick on a pass catcher.

[ratedr]

Whether we go WR next year strongly depends on whether or not Perriman shows anything at all this year imo. If he shows nothing I think they'd be willing to double dip there.

[PurpleCity5]

I honestly can't see any scenario where the team spends back to back first round picks on a WR. Its much more likely they throw their eggs in the Perriman basket and get a FA veteran signing/trade, much like Boldin/SSS. I think they feel a healthy and productive Perriman coupled with a veteran FA/trade and two TEs who can seemingly play well will really get our offense going. It actually would be somewhat similar to the 2012 offense.

 

Given what I've seen right now, the first round pick could very well go in at least a half dozen different directions frankly. A defensive end who can push the pocket is a possibility, and corner and safety are obvious spots where an upgrade is possible. You could also potentially be looking at RB at that spot, and potentially offensive line, given the injuries and overall poor play from Monroe and Hurst so far.

 

Frankly, as it stands now, I'd be shocked if we used a first round pick on a pass catcher.

Why not? I mean Treadwell and Boyle will be a better pick than reaching for a need. There are some talented DEs but none of whom I think would be better than Treadwell and Boyle. Right now we don't know what will happen in FA, but I really believe we'll put work on the defense through FA and make it a priority in FA. We should have more cap to work with so we should be able to sign a couple of impact guys. 

[Wildabeast88]

The way SSS is playing, I think he comes back for another year

We can keep praying he does. I think he wants to win so I hope.

[BSHU_Miami]

Steve is not coming back. He already made the commitment to his kids to be at their games next year. We need to draft AND get Wrs next year

[rmcjacket23]

Why not? I mean Treadwell and Boyle will be a better pick than reaching for a need. There are some talented DEs but none of whom I think would be better than Treadwell and Boyle. Right now we don't know what will happen in FA, but I really believe we'll put work on the defense through FA and make it a priority in FA. We should have more cap to work with so we should be able to sign a couple of impact guys. 

Far too early to guess on who will be available when we pick or even if they will be available. Not until Combine time will we have a better indication, and until we know where we will be picking, its impossible to already cement a position that we will target.

 

WR will be a "need" regardless, so you could argue picking one of those two guys would constitute "reaching for a need" at this point also. 

 

As is typical, we will develop our draft board to fill multiple needs, and we will take the BPA from those areas. 

[atomicfront]

If bet hard money on Boyd being a pro bowler his first year. If we play our cards right(by sucking) we might actually have a lot of high picks, say we he's up with a top 5 or 10 pick we could probably trade down and get a 2nd round pick in return while also picking Boyd in the late first round. That would be 1 first rounder, two seconds and 2 thirds(comp pick). Ozzie would have a heart attack.

We aren't trading back if we have a top 15 pick. Last time we had one of these we got Ngata , time before that Suggs and the time before that Jamal Lewis. If we have a chance to get a truely dominant player we aren't picking for needs or trading back.

[JO_75]

Rueben Randle is a FA this offseason... He could be a good somewhat cheap signing. The kids got talent and Flacco will probably allow him more opportunities than Eli Manning

 

Chicago already has traded Jared Allen and Jon Bostic, and it seems they are trying to trade away players who don't fit their scheme(according to Rotoworld). So why not see if they are willing to give up Alshon Jeffery lol. Plus with the cap increasing and dead cap coming off, we'll have the money to give him a new contract or at least franchise him in the off-season. 

Edited September 29, 2015 by JO_75

[SomeCreepinaVan]

As it stands we're projected to have around 13 mil in cap space next year. Cutting Webb will get it to 16 million, and cutting Pitta gets it to $17 million. The team is so young that we're projected to have tons of cap space without having Flacco restructure. Because the cap is projected to be at $150,000,000 which would not surprise me at all. Forsett being cut(which we should. I think he's a product of a good oline) makes it 19 million.

Cutting Chris Canty then gets it to $21 Million. Now I think we retain

Yanda. He'll retire here. Has a few more great seasons left.

Upshaw. A LB who's great vs the run and allows us to keep people fresh if we draft/sign a pass rusher? Yes Please.

Jensen(good depth RFA)

Aiken(RFA)

Brown(RFA)

Tucker(kicker so cheaper).

So that'll probably give us roughly $10 to play with for FA before Flacco restructures his contract.

Cutting Webb does nothing for this team but make it worse. CB's don't grow on trees unless you want another scrub, and if we get one it will be in the draft. Forsett isn't even costing much, and our line sucks right now. No back would be good behind it. The run blocking looks nothing like Kubiak's scheme. Glad you don't work for the Ravens.

Edited September 29, 2015 by SomeCreepinaVan

[rmcjacket23]

Chicago already has traded Jared Allen and Jon Bostic, and it seems they are trying to trade away players who don't fit their scheme(according to Rotoworld). So why not see if they are willing to give up Alshon Jeffery lol. Plus with the cap increasing and dead cap coming off, we'll have the money to give him a new contract or at least franchise him in the off-season. 

I think that's speculation at this point. Really doesn't make any sense at all for the Bears to trade Jeffery.

 

My guess, though, is IF he were to be traded, it'd cost at least a first round pick, and quite possibly more.

[lgcs27288]

Rueben Randle is a FA this offseason... He could be a good somewhat cheap signing. The kids got talent and Flacco will probably allow him more opportunities than Eli Manning

Randle has horrible knees.  They have to limit his snaps in practice because they get so sore. Crabtree is a bit of a head case, but he will be available.

Edited September 29, 2015 by lgcs27288

[lgcs27288]

Cutting Webb does nothing for this team but make it worse. CB's don't grow on trees unless you want another scrub, and if we get one it will be in the draft. Forsett isn't even costing much, and our line sucks right now. No back would be good behind it. The run blocking looks nothing like Kubiak's scheme. Glad you don't work for the Ravens.

A couple of fairly good ones will be available. Powers for Arizona is one I particularly like, but Leon Hall as well. Also Mark Barron and Eric Berry are free agents if Im not mistaken, I dont think we will go safety though.

Edited September 29, 2015 by lgcs27288

[Boddiebroadus]

Won't Josh Gordon be a FA next year. I know his off field issues scares people but he got suspended for drinking with his coach after the season was over. They both obviously weren't aware of the rules.