Merged: Season Isn't Over (or is it)

[JoeyFlex5]

I would love to know what Ozzie is thinking right now. Make a major power play in a trade to try to salvage the season? Realize there are major issues but not enough time or resources to address them right now? 

 

I really wonder how Ozzie plans to attack this, I'm sure he felt like he built a contender this offseason and the return on his investments has been nothing short of a train wreck. Ozzie isn't the type to go shipping off high draft picks but what else can he do at this point, the most logical move is to move on from Pees as the coaching has been a bigger problem than the personnel. But as we all know midseason coaching changes are rare, but I really do think it's the right move to get Pees out of there and promote an interim DC like Monachino. Even if we keep all of Pees calls/scheme for the rest of the season getting a new pair of eyes from the coach's box could be huge

 

Like getting Caldwell to take over for Cameron, even though the playbook was the same the philosophy and effectiveness still saw massive change. I think Monachino could do something similar even with Pees defense installed. 

i agree. ive backed up pees for years but i cant anymore. he dials up something effective, a delayed blitz, man coverage, safety blitz, zone blitz, whatever, and he will watch these things work, and then stray away from it EVERY TIME and watch us fail repeatedly. hes stubborn to say the least and its becoming a problem.

[Guest]

Raiders are better than you think. Carr is the real deal, Murray is the real deal, Amari Cooper so far has been the best rookie in the entire NFL, kid is a gamechanger for them. Khalil Mack and Aldon Smith on the edge, that is a nasty duo even with a sub-par secondary. They aren't going to set the league on fire but they are a respectable team this year, especially at home.

 

That loss was inexcusable even with all things considered but it's not like we lost to a doormat team, we played a terrible game and were still a 50/50 call away from winning on the road against a mid tier team. 

 

Agree the Raiders are undervalued by most here.

 

The problem isn't losing to those three teams. The problem is losing to them consecutively, the last at home.

 

Houston.....We have a problem.

[Guest]

i agree. ive backed up pees for years but i cant anymore. he dials up something effective, a delayed blitz, man coverage, safety blitz, zone blitz, whatever, and he will watch these things work, and then stray away from it EVERY TIME and watch us fail repeatedly. hes stubborn to say the least and its becoming a problem.

 

I don't think its Pees.

 

Its personnel.

[The Mom Gene]

1. Perriman's not replacing steve, Perriman's skill set just isn't a #1 WR skill set. He Torrey Smith with injury problems.

2. Good pass rushers aren't simple draft picks. Gotta be first rounders for the most part.

3.idk

4.Did you not see Brooks get beat deep today and then get immediately Benched?

Problem with that statement is... You had to drop that ball into Torrey's basket of arms and chest...  He didn't have the routes, the hands, or the fight to catch the ball if it was just a bit long or short, right or left...  He had spaghetti arms... didn't catch with his hands at all...  hence his current struggles...  Kaepernick isn't accurate at all.

 

Perriman catches with his hands, fights for the ball, and makes contested catches.

[Guest]

I would love to know what Ozzie is thinking right now. Make a major power play in a trade to try to salvage the season? Realize there are major issues but not enough time or resources to address them right now? 

 

I really wonder how Ozzie plans to attack this, I'm sure he felt like he built a contender this offseason and the return on his investments has been nothing short of a train wreck. Ozzie isn't the type to go shipping off high draft picks but what else can he do at this point, the most logical move is to move on from Pees as the coaching has been a bigger problem than the personnel. But as we all know midseason coaching changes are rare, but I really do think it's the right move to get Pees out of there and promote an interim DC like Monachino. Even if we keep all of Pees calls/scheme for the rest of the season getting a new pair of eyes from the coach's box could be huge

 

Like getting Caldwell to take over for Cameron, even though the playbook was the same the philosophy and effectiveness still saw massive change. I think Monachino could do something similar even with Pees defense installed. 

 

You're talking a jockey change.

 

Sometimes the jockey is getting all he can out of the horse.  You can change jockeys, but sometimes the horse doesn't belong in the race.  Whoever rides is gonna need quite a bit of luck to get this horse up.  

 

We are soft mentally. Not sure some of our guys back there have the right stuff.

[JoeyFlex5]

I don't think its Pees.

 

Its personnel.

you could have said that last year and it would have been true.. 

 

he cant get off with that excuse anymore, he just cant, he has the best group of db's that he has had since our super bowl year, jimmy is healthy, webb actually seems like he began heating up late vs oakland, will hill is his usual self, arrington is better than any corner we had at the end of last year, kendrick lewis has been horrible, but he looks better than darian stewart(who was a dumpster fire for us but looks like an all pro for denver). all of these factors, and the secondary looks WORSE than where they left off, when we had rashaan melvin, anthony levine, and trawick pretty much starting. 

 

the personnel has improved, the results have regressed, there is 1 constant in this scenario, and that is pees. it is absolutely impossible to use that reasoning to defend him anymore.

[sflegend89]

I don't think its Pees.

 

Its personnel.

 

It's both....and that makes the solution even more murky and difficult to pin point. To me Pees has plenty of talent to work with and instead of tailoring a scheme to fit his players, he has tried to force players to fit the mold of HIS defense. Then you have mental mistakes from the personnel that happen far too often. Pees defense just doesn't seem to feel natural for a lot of them and that is a big cause of blown coverages. Pees isn't a bad DC at running his scheme but many of our players don't fit his scheme. Mosley fits his scheme great for instance as it is very similar to Alabama's defense but a lot of our db's don't play well in it.

 

Seeing intelligent vets like Arrington get lost in coverage is a big red flag for me, we aren't putting our db's in coverages that are natural to them, our zones coverages are always soft and have poor rotation on the back end. DB's just spend too much time thinking instead of reacting, it's not natural for them.

[Ravens4Real]

The playoffs aren't out of the question but I believe winning the division is. We are 3.5 behind the Bengals in only 3 weeks into the season. That means they would have to go 12-4. With us going undefeated the rest of the way. We could lose one more and potentially tie them at 11-5. But that would include going into their stadium and beating them at home when they just came into our house and put up 465 yards of offense.

Many guys like to wear some shades around here but they messed up twice inside the 5 yard line. Could/should have been at least 6 more points. We were lucky they messed up and even allowed it to be a game.

I mean seriously people. Our defense let a Andy Dalton led offense put up 465 yards of offense. Just wow.

[JoeyFlex5]

The playoffs aren't out of the question but I believe winning the division is. We are 3.5 behind the Bengals in only 3 weeks into the season. That means they would have to go 12-4. With us going undefeated the rest of the way. We could lose one more and potentially tie them at 11-5. But that would include going into their stadium and beating them at home when they just came into our house and put up 465 yards of offense.

Many guys like to wear some shades around here but they messed up twice inside the 5 yard line. Could/should have been at least 6 more points. We were lucky they messed up and even allowed it to be a game.

I mean seriously people. Our defense let a Andy Dalton led offense put up 465 yards of offense. Just wow.

you say this as if the bengals dont have the most stacked and most talented roster in the entire nfl

[D_UP]

Sometimes the team you root for just isn't good like they use to be. No emotion involved here. Just looking at the team on the field they are an average team. It happens the Ravens have some young good players but they are just that young and unproven and the Ravens also have some players who have reached their peak (see upshaw) and just is an ok player. They also have some players past their prime (see Webb) and they also have some players who are scrap heap candidates ( see Kendrick Lewis etc). Add all that up and you are heading for a rebuild/reloading process. They had a good run.

[Ravens4Real]

you say this as if the bengals dont have the most stacked and most talented roster in the entire nfl

An Andy Dalton led team is not the best offense in the NFL. I really hope you don't believe that.

[ratedr]

Bet money that the KC Chiefs walk into Cincy next week and win. Watch how a real defense plays them.

[January J]

people living in a dream world. Watch the 2013 season.

 

we might have a spurt of 2-3 wins..we will follow it up with 2-3 losses.

 

most games will be close..only for us to throw it away..

 

there will be a thrashing vs the cardinals ( whom I'm rooting for to win it all)

 

this isn't going to be fun folks.

even in the 2013 season we were a 4th quarter away from a playoff birth. Il take it. Anything can happen. Big Ben is down for th next 7 games or so. If dalton goes down all bets are off. You never know. All we have to do is win the division. Heck we could potentially go 7-9 and make the playoffs if something like that happened. That's why you never throw in the towel and fight to the finish. Lotta quitters here, I'm assuming when faced with advertisy you all quit in life as well.

[52520Andrew]

We still have a small chance but we need to actually learn how to finish games and clean up the penalties. You are what your record says you are though and that is an 0-3 football team.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I would love to know what Ozzie is thinking right now. Make a major power play in a trade to try to salvage the season? Realize there are major issues but not enough time or resources to address them right now?

I really wonder how Ozzie plans to attack this, I'm sure he felt like he built a contender this offseason and the return on his investments has been nothing short of a train wreck. Ozzie isn't the type to go shipping off high draft picks but what else can he do at this point, the most logical move is to move on from Pees as the coaching has been a bigger problem than the personnel. But as we all know midseason coaching changes are rare, but I really do think it's the right move to get Pees out of there and promote an interim DC like Monachino. Even if we keep all of Pees calls/scheme for the rest of the season getting a new pair of eyes from the coach's box could be huge

Like getting Caldwell to take over for Cameron, even though the playbook was the same the philosophy and effectiveness still saw massive change. I think Monachino could do something similar even with Pees defense installed.

I'd trade for say a Tamba Hali if we're going to go that route. But then again. Who knows.

[FoxRox75]

It's not technically over, but it's extremely unlikely we'll make the playoffs. I'm sticking with my 6-10 prediction I made a few days ago; it pains me to say it, but I guess we're due for a bad year. 2013 I don't consider "bad", just mediocre. The worst part is just how we could definitely be 3-0, but we blew it in the final moments of every single game. No matter how much we lose I'll still be a fan, but it does hurt a lot to be 0-3.

[JoeyFlex5]

An Andy Dalton led team is not the best offense in the NFL. I really hope you don't believe that.

football is a team sport. 

 

they have one of the best OLs in the game. they have AJ green, and a bevy of other 6'4" guys with good speed and hands, they have tyler eifert, they have the best 1-2 punch out of the backfield in the league with gio and hill, and they have a very good veteran defense that is far above average across the board. 

 

you may think andy dalton is some scrub, and i understand it, he has choked on numerous occasions, and he has single handedly lost games for an incredibly stacked team, but he is also entering i believe his 4th year, all it takes is for that switch to flip in his head and he starts putting it together. 

 

our defense had many breakdowns today, but you are straight up lying to yourself if you think andy dalton didnt play his tail off today, give credit where its due, that boy was putting every pass right on the money, short, deep, inside, outside, everything was spot on in his performance today. there is no reason to hang your head because they got picked apart by dalton and the bengals, the reason to hang your head is because the team is 0-3 period. 

 

edit: also, who called them the best team in the league? i said most talented, which they are. dont be delusional just because you think the ravens are entitled to beat them

Edited September 28, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[I AM LEGEND]

Distraught....

Team doesn't have the horses to get it done..

No WR threat outside of 89.

No pass Rush.

And a secondary that looked good on paper but so far may be worst in the league.

Did I say I was distraught

[Raving_Heathen]

 

we might have a spurt of 2-3 wins..we will follow it up with 2-3 losses.

 

 

Yup. That's exactly what I expect to happen. Win a few in a row to get everyone's hopes up and then drop 2 straight. Rinse, repeat. There's a reason so few 0-2 and 0-3 teams have made the playoffs. Rattling off a bunch of wins in a row is difficult... unless you have a Brady or Peyton and play in an incredibly cupcake division.

[cwfRaven]

Steve Smith Deserves Better

 

- Somewhat unrelated by it needs to be said. This guy is playing his freakin' tail off week in, week out in his final season and his teammates/coaches have let him down so far. If the rest of our team played with half of the fire SSS does we would be 3-0 these games have been so close. We fought so hard to send Ray out on top, SSS deserves the same type of passion and conviction from his teammates. This is his last ride, since he got here Steve's given us his blood, sweat, and tears.. rest of the team needs to wake up and play for this man if nothing else. 

 

I pretty much agree with your whole post, but ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +1000. SSS may have only been a Raven for a couple years but he's been playing like a Raven his entire career - just in the wrong city. The man is a beast and even if we can replace his production on the field, we'll be hard pressed to find anyone with his heart. Geez, the man puked in a can and then took IV fluids on the field so he could get back in sooner - who DOES that? The man deserves better from his team mates.

[Purple Punishment]

Sad isn't it? Now that I think about it, his play improved as the season went on and by the end he was looking good.

Maybe it was Deans mediocre scheme that made him look pedestrian

[PurpleCity5]

Maybe it was Deans mediocre scheme that made him look pedestrian

Lol he looks great with Philips, thats for sure. Then again hes surrounded by an elite pass rush, All Pro CBs, and Pro Bowl Safety. But i'll give him credit, hes been great so far. I thought we would be winning with Lewis over Stewert but so far thats not the case.

[PurpleCity5]

I pretty much agree with your whole post, but ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +1000. SSS may have only been a Raven for a couple years but he's been playing like a Raven his entire career - just in the wrong city. The man is a beast and even if we can replace his production on the field, we'll be hard pressed to find anyone with his heart. Geez, the man puked in a can and then took IV fluids on the field so he could get back in sooner - who DOES that? The man deserves better from his team mates.

100.

[Purple Punishment]

Lol he looks great with Philips, thats for sure. Then again hes surrounded by an elite pass rush, All Pro CBs, and Pro Bowl Safety. But i'll give him credit, hes been great so far. I thought we would be winning with Lewis over Stewert but so far thats not the case.

We have good CBs and would have a great pass rush.... If someone was creative...

[xxhighriser]

Its not over but I dont see anything that points to this team winning if we made the playoffs.  Shaky secondary, nonexistent pass rush and lack of weapons would not beat the elite AFC contenders.  

[JO_75]

The playoffs aren't out of the question but I believe winning the division is. We are 3.5 behind the Bengals in only 3 weeks into the season. That means they would have to go 12-4. With us going undefeated the rest of the way. We could lose one more and potentially tie them at 11-5. But that would include going into their stadium and beating them at home when they just came into our house and put up 465 yards of offense.

Many guys like to wear some shades around here but they messed up twice inside the 5 yard line. Could/should have been at least 6 more points. We were lucky they messed up and even allowed it to be a game.

I mean seriously people. Our defense let a Andy Dalton led offense put up 465 yards of offense. Just wow.

 

Division is not out of the question, no way Cincy can keep winning especially with their schedule coming up. They are 3-0 now, but have KC, Seattle and Buffalo in the next three games. 3 big time defenses where it won't be a Dean Pees soft defense Dalton is playing against. Those three could easily be losses and drop them from 3-0 to 3-3.

 

Look at Pittsburgh who will now not have Ben but an old Michael Vick starting. The four games at most he'll miss, our game Thursday. Followed by traveling to the west coast to face San Diego, followed by seeing a very good Cardinals team coming to Pittsburgh. Then after that, the Chiefs game. Now if he happens to miss possibly 6 weeks, he misses games against Cincy and Oakland. Pittsburgh still has Seattle and Denver and another game with us after all of that.

 

I'm telling you right now our season isn't over, the division isn't out of question, and neither is a wild card spot. January Joe will be hunting come January.

[Maryland]

I'm one of those people who wants to either make the postseason or get a high draft pick (and get Pees fired along the way). It's one extreme or the other.

 

If we somehow recover and go 10-3 the rest of the way and get a wildcard, then cool, go Ravens.

 

If we can't make the postseason, I'd rather eat dirt and get Bosa, Hargreaves, Tunsil, Stanley, or some other top-talent than go 8-8 and get a pick in the late teens. 

 

However, having said all that, I will always want to beat the Steelers, no matter what. 

[ravensdfan]

Division is not out of the question, no way Cincy can keep winning especially with their schedule coming up. They are 3-0 now, but have KC, Seattle and Buffalo in the next three games. 3 big time defenses where it won't be a Dean Pees soft defense Dalton is playing against. Those three could easily be losses and drop them from 3-0 to 3-3.

 

Look at Pittsburgh who will now not have Ben but an old Michael Vick starting. The four games at most he'll miss, our game Thursday. Followed by traveling to the west coast to face San Diego, followed by seeing a very good Cardinals team coming to Pittsburgh. Then after that, the Chiefs game. Now if he happens to miss possibly 6 weeks, he misses games against Cincy and Oakland. Pittsburgh still has Seattle and Denver and another game with us after all of that.

 

I'm telling you right now our season isn't over, the division isn't out of question, and neither is a wild card spot. January Joe will be hunting come January.

I hear you and I somewhat agree but then, I think about the playoffs. What is the point if Pees is still here? Things like last year are pretty painful tbh. His presser made it pretty obvious he doesn't think he's part of the problem at all. Doesn't think he should have to change anything.

 

I always want them to win so not saying I hope we tank or anything. Just right now I think about the playoffs and cringe. Don't see any way we avoid a repeat of last year.

[Grapple Raven]

@JO_75   I totally agree with you.  I see a distinct possibility of 3 losses for the Bengals if not 4 at the hands of the Chiefs, Cardinals, Seattle and possibly Bills.  Possibly a 4th or 5th at the hands of the Broncos.  The Bengals aren't as good as the talking heads are making them out to be. You could see the frustration and self-doubt creeping in today in the fourth quarter of there game with us today, albeit it didn't last long, but it was evident in some of the players faces.  They aren't as confident as they want everyone to believe.  They also haven't been hit with any major injuries yet either which are bound to happen as it happens to all teams throughout the season. 

[usmccharles]

I'm one of those people who wants to either make the postseason or get a high draft pick (and get Pees fired along the way). It's one extreme or the other.

 

If we somehow recover and go 10-3 the rest of the way and get a wildcard, then cool, go Ravens.

 

If we can't make the postseason, I'd rather eat dirt and get Bosa, Hargreaves, Tunsil, Stanley, or some other top-talent than go 8-8 and get a pick in the late teens. 

 

However, having said all that, I will always want to beat the Steelers, no matter what. 

No way i could ever get behind this mentality.  I want to win, regaurdless if thats the SB or not.  I have to much pride and i hope any professional athele does as well to have that mentality.  I always took pride in the fact that we always pick in the mid 20s and always field a sb contender.  I wouldnt trade a winning season for a 3-13 season just to get a high draft pick, i just cant have that mindset.  but to each their own.