[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts vs. Bengals

[DrinkmoreBeer]

Three losses by a total of 14 points shows the Ravens are competitive. But they aren't winners. They lack the killer instinct. Every time they need a big stop, they lay down. They're undisciplined and get penalized way too much. SSS is the only real Raven on the whole team. "Play like a Raven" is a thing of the past and the coaches bear the responsibility.

[Derrel]

Had to watch the game at Buffalo Wild Wings(hate it)....to0 loud and a lot of obnoxious fans. Didn't look like Flacco had a very good game, especially in the 1st half. I recall him overthrowing a couple of big plays and dropped one at the feet of a wide open receiver. I know he's low key but he seems to have lost his fire so far this season.

[MYTH420]

I think it's time to get rid of Dean Pees. I'm tired of seeing the defense give our games away. This isn't new, it's been going on for 3 years now. Last year we overcame it because we had a solid offense. But blown coverages, big plays, missed tackles, and a lack of turnovers is what a Dean Pees defense seems to be. Look at our players, we have a solid D-line, even this year. Great ILB, and our secondary has good players. J. Smith is a top ten CB, Webb has looked better this year and is a decent CB, Hill graded out as a top 10 safety last year. Yes we have a lack of depth at OLB and DB, but with the players we have we shouldn't be this bad. That leaves the Defensive Coordinator. On offense it's simple, a lack of playmakers. We have 1 receiver. But Trestman needs to see that and look to the TE more. How does a running game completely disappear when you have the same O Line and RB as last year? How many penalties is this O-Line going to make? Trestman has had awful play calling in short yardage and 3rd down situations. How does Harbaugh continue to suck at challenges and time management. No Babin again? Fire Pees and send a message, or throw in the towel.

[January J]

I think were picking somehwere between 9-15

1. Taylor Decker, OT, Ohio State, 6-7, 317- dude is monster left tackle and exactly what we need on that line.

2. Leonard Floyd, OLB, Georgia, 6-3, 232: No one can replace suggs but this guys is not far off with his size and speed

3.Jalen Ramsey, CB, Florida State, 6-1, 202: Smith is feeling to much pressure and needs help on the other side, Ramsey can also play safety if needed.

forest will probably be gone next year if he doesn't improve. I feel bad bc it's likely the o line not giving him any holes. But last year he just seemed to find out and was quick and shifter. I don't know, hard to tell at this point.

But how does Forsett and Leonard Fournette sound? He could be our new Jamal Lewis.

[whobilly]

Something that seemed to go unnoticed in this whole mess is that the players AND coaches don't know the rules. The Ravens challenged a call when Andy Daulton dove for a first down and Jimmy Smith was motioning for Harbs to throw the challenge flag because Daulton's knee hit the ground. When a QB slides they mark the spot where the slide begins. When the QB dives head first they are considered a runner and are marked where an opposing player makes contact with them. Store this in your memory bank for later so we don't waste a challenge....and lose a timeout.

[whobilly]

The saddest part is that it's not even October and we are talking about the draft. And rightfully so.

[RavensDieHard21]

I was at the game and it was a roller coaster ride of emotions. I mean we have just enough talent to win big games but players need to make plays and that's that. I mean come on, a 4th down possible Td dropped by eifert, jimmy smiths interception, Mosley fumble recovery to the house and two SSS Td passes! We had enough but the team lacked transition. Once one side of the ball did something great, the other would sink the ship. Penalties killed a lot of offensive rhythm too. If he have any chance of salvaging this season, something extreme must happen. Either we trade for a WR or edge rusher or we fire pees. He's god awful. Blitz with the strength of the team and leave corners in man coverage with safety help over the top. Greens Td for 80 yards was a prime example of why zone on this team doesn't work!

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

The Defense led by faulty coaching faltered and failed yet again in the fourth quarter. Time to reassess Pees' ability to coach this defense!

 

Flacco needs to wake up, too many under thrown balls - balls thrown at wide open receivers feet, over their heads, behind receivers.  

 

The entire team needs to start playing with urgency, no excuses!

Edited September 28, 2015 by ibleedpurpleandblack

[fusuymada]

The Ravens look like a team who is punching a time clock. They don't have any fire, they don't act like the even want to be out there. The secondary just watches receivers run by them, they don't have any communication. I have played in pick up games where I don't even know the guy on the other corner and we communicated better than the Ravens. Like Cameron, I am wondering if Pees has hit his wall and for whatever reason just cant get his guys motivated or in the right spots at the right time. With what we have, we need a coordinator who can confuse his opponent with scheme because we aren't scaring anyone with personnel. I hate to call for anyone's job, but with the two coordinators we have, perhaps John and Ozzie need to revisit the employees in those positions. Both will probably have to coach in college if they want to keep coaching because I don't see anyone offering them a coordinator level or higher job in the NFL.

[DenverRaven]

Patriots are the class organization. Packers have had their ups and downs and the Bengals were bad for a long, long time. They are getting close to starting to have to make the same decisions the Ravens have had to make in who to pay and who to let go. The Pitta money, Rice money, Webb money.... hard to acquire top notch talent when you have no money....

 

Notice how I said "organization." This is more than just poor play. It starts with the front office.

[coreyadams]

Easy fix, adjust Flacco contract to get more weapons in Baltimore. He is definitly over paid.

[edreed2o]

The ravens have to hold the record for our defense giving up the score to win the game. When was the last time Dean Pees rallied his defense to get the final stop? Every game comes down to our defense giving up the go ahead score. Every time.

[PurpleDoc]

Pees needs to go for sure.

Agree with everyone stating that the Ravens have no fire to win. Week after week...sloppy play, missed tackles. Slow getting up to the line of scrimmage. Penalties!!! Why is the penalty problem never corrected?

Flacco was never elite and after 8 years in the league, we can always be assured of an interception every game. He can't function under pressure and unable to make accurate passes when pressured. He lacks pocket awareness and can't scramble his way out of a paper bag. Watch Manning direct his offense, getting guys to hurry up, leading his team. Flacco stands there and gazes around and we go down to 3 seconds on the clock with a no huddle offense - embarrassing (Raiders game).

Lastly, to the people who accuse me and others of being fair weather fans. We love the Ravens and are die hard fans. It's so frustrating and heart braking to watch a team with a history of winning play so poorly. When we make the playoffs every year, are expected to be SB contenders this year...SMH.

[Drew P]

forest will probably be gone next year if he doesn't improve. I feel bad bc it's likely the o line not giving him any holes. But last year he just seemed to find out and was quick and shifter. I don't know, hard to tell at this point.

But how does Forsett and Leonard Fournette sound? He could be our new Jamal Lewis.

 

DB's and WR's. No project Linemen or LB's. Its a passing league time to face reality 

[Ravenshine]

I think the Ravens lack of 'fire' as some mention, is largely due to not having a strong leader. This would need to be an outspoken player on field that rallies the players and taps into that inspirational energy boost that gets beyond regular body fatigue. Without such a rallier the energy does wane, even when there is some there to be accessed...a leader is needed to draw it out. I do hope the Ravens come up with a new leader. SSS is a good inspirational player, and leads by example. So, aside from him a leader who harnesses the other players with speech before game and while on field. The defense needs that. We'd get more out of our players if someone was the beacon. I keep waiting to see who that is...still not clear who's stepping up on that.

[HrdCoreRaven]

Ravens need to take a good look at Brandon Lloyd,he is still very productive as a deep threat and would make a huge difference on offense. Defensively they signed Babin because they said he look good during the workout, so play the man, we are getting little or no pass rush from the right side. No lets look at the Achilles heel, our secondary might be the worst ever, they constantly give up 3rd and long or big plays. We should really consider putting Jimmy on the #2 Rec and double teaming the #1 (blanket coverage). No way should K. Lewis should be covering by himself AJ, A. Brown or any other number 1

[riseNConquer81]

Remember that one time when everybody was like "Rashaan Melvin is gonna save the defense!" and then he played the bengals and gave up all kinds of yards and receptions to people not named AJ Green?

lol

also: yes Harbaugh. Pees is normally good with me, but have a conversation with him about covering 18. I saw that flag route from the slot coming from a mile away. If you're gonna blitz on the goal line there's no reason NOT to press. even if they beat it (as Green often will), they aint going anywhere cuz there's no where to go. they only got 10 yards to work with. if he beats the press in time to bail his quarterback out, so be it. But watching him catch a touchdown in the corner of the endzone on a free release makes no sense.

Edited September 28, 2015 by riseNConquer81

[mitchch]

"we'll figure out how to cover A.J. Green. It would be nice if we did that one time before he retires," Harbaugh said.

For a start, don't cover him one-on-one with a safety with the lead and under 6 minutes left in the game.

[btfan2]

At least it can't get any worse, or can it?

[thisme007]

We have Bad coaching,and no Leadership..

[RAVENSandHORNS77]

MARK TRESSMAN.....HORRIBLE!!! How do we go from one of the best running teams in the league to this....i know the Oline is banged up (speaking of Monroe Must Go!!!!) but dang....He has Flacco out here like hes Tom Brady or Peyton or somebody....what happen to all the bootlegs...we were supposed to keep the same scheme, every time we roll out ala last year, we have success. Flacco needs to earn that bread now...he got a ring and deserved the contract...but he must improve in clutch time....the reason he got the name Joe Cool right...too many dropped balls. At least we are still in it guys, 0-3 normally is horrible, i think we still can make it interesting or at least ruin our chance at a great draft position.

[reddog54]

Seems like all the players/coaches bought into the preseason hype with the ravens going all the way!I guess they expected every team they played to lay down.....Running game?

[huntrgathrr]

Inconsistent is the hallmark of this years team. They don't play 4 quarters. They have had a good chance to win all 3 games but are undisciplined, committing way too many penalties that tears the heart out of the team. The lack of a pass rush and the inability to run the ball are disturbing. I knew we were going to lose the game when Upshaw dropped an easy interception. Daryl Smith did the same thing against Denver. Failing to capitalize on other teams mistakes is demoralizing to the entire team.

If they don't rock the Ben-less Steelers Thursday then they have almost zero chance to recover this year. Plus it will mean that they will have under performed in 4 straight games and are just not a very good team.

I'm disappointed in Trestman and Pees. They are not getting their players in a position to win and share a large role on the 0-3 start. Both jobs should be on the line.

Every game we spot the opponent a big lead (Denver 9-0, Oakland 10-0 and Cincy 14-0). That's poor coaching. Our game plans suck.

The Ravens have shown how to turn a 3-0 start into an 0-3 start. Ultimately that falls on Harbaugh. What a shame.

[gekaap]

Wait, we need more playmakers on offense? I thought Messiah Joe was the only playmaker we needed. Torrey Smith is leading SF in rec. yards and average yards per reception (18.7). I hear he's what they call a "deep threat." Wouldn't it be nice to have something like that right about now? Especially when you have a QB like Flacco who is far sighted and can't see the 40 yards of the field directly in front of him.

 

Man, it would sure be nice to have a guy like Torrey Smith on our team. Too bad he plays for San Francisco. I wonder if the Ravens ever had a chance to try to make him part of our team. I wonder what that would be like. Torrey Smith in a Ravens uniform? Wouldn't that be something special.

Edited September 28, 2015 by gekaap

[Swift 1]

What # does this guy Pees wear? I seen Smith get beat bad Webb get beat bad and two or three other guys wearing jerseys get beat bad Sunday, but I did not see Green catch ONE pass over a guy wearing civvies,

[slowboater]

Slowboater you have no idea what your talking about with Cincinnati, they don't have any big name players coming up that they have to deal with contract wise nor did they spend their cap money as foolishly as the ravens did. The ravens have had a good run, ray lewis is gone, suggs might not be that far behind, they have ignored the rb postion and wr position in the draft way too long, basically they got caught with their pants down counting on subpar players at key positions, they should have never dropped so much money on older players to begin with.

Speaking of no idea what you are talking about, the Bengals have something like 14 major contributors in their final year of thier contract. If that doesn't put the Bengals in a situation where they no longer will be riding their high-draft run, I don't know what is.

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2015/2/24/8055881/beware-the-2016-free-agent-class-doom

Edited September 28, 2015 by slowboater

[RavenzOz]

Wait, we need more playmakers on offense? I thought Messiah Joe was the only playmaker we needed. Torrey Smith is leading SF in rec. yards and average yards per reception (18.7). I hear he's what they call a "deep threat." Wouldn't it be nice to have something like that right about now? Especially when you have a QB like Flacco who is far sighted and can't see the 40 yards of the field directly in front of him.

 

Man, it would sure be nice to have a guy like Torrey Smith on our team. Too bad he plays for San Francisco. I wonder if the Ravens ever had a chance to try to make him part of our team. I wonder what that would be like. Torrey Smith in a Ravens uniform? Wouldn't that be something special.

 

Why, so we can watch something like this happen again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seZ2s39oAWs

 

I love Torrey, you love Torrey, we all love Torrey, and Torrey is a great feel-good story considering his background and where he came from.  His mum is proud of him and rightly so, he is a great guy.

 

BUT, (and neg if you need to), as soon as Steve Smith got here, there was an attitude shift in Torrey, a frustration that showed itself on the field, (because he didn't inherit no1 WR status? I dunno), it showed in his play, less concentration, poorer route running, and zero fighting for the ball.

 

We have a field stretching WR, he just happened to get injured during training camp, and I am patiently waiting for him to hit the field.  Hopefully this week.

[jhulax35]

Wait, we need more playmakers on offense? I thought Messiah Joe was the only playmaker we needed. Torrey Smith is leading SF in rec. yards and average yards per reception (18.7). I hear he's what they call a "deep threat." Wouldn't it be nice to have something like that right about now? Especially when you have a QB like Flacco who is far sighted and can't see the 40 yards of the field directly in front of him.

 

Man, it would sure be nice to have a guy like Torrey Smith on our team. Too bad he plays for San Francisco. I wonder if the Ravens ever had a chance to try to make him part of our team. I wonder what that would be like. Torrey Smith in a Ravens uniform? Wouldn't that be something special.

 

No it would be nice to have boldin another guy that fights for the ball and makes big plays... 

Edited September 29, 2015 by jhulax35

[carlosdanger]

Who needs more playmakers?

We have all those valuable 5th and 6th round compensation picks!