The good, bad and ugly vs Bengals

[wizard1]

Did Jim Harbaugh really lose control of the team or was it really the fact that Harbaugh and The Niners  general manager didn't get along which became distraction? It's hard for any head coach or even the players to stay focus  on winning games when all those reports kept coming out.. Honestly the 49ers made a foolish decision to let Harbaugh go especially with all the success he game them but ego over came  it all and they may actually pay for that.

 

From what I understand the locker room had divided with Kapernick and his guys on one side and Harbaugh with his supporters on the other. I wasn't in the locker room but no matter what it ended very ugly. I was just giving a recent example of how quickly a coach can lose control over his team. Several others come to mind- Dan Reeves in Denver and Marty Schottenheimer in San Diego.

[MiamiRaven55]

yes, they do ... so I guess that means we have no chance of beating them.

Not saying we can't but I guarantee the score will be a lot closer than the score vs the Bills. Our D isn't anywhere close to being able to that type of performance vs anyone unfortunately.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

you do need a few.

And we do. CJ Mosley is one in the making. Doom is an elite pass rusher and that's all he is. Hill is a great player. And we have big guys up front. And if Suggs was healthy. We'd have another.

You were saying?

[-Truth-]

I'm just embarrassed to see him in pass protection because a lot of the time, it doesn't even look like he attempted a kick slide. He just looks like he anchors his feet and then tries to use solely upper body to shove the rusher wide.

You've nailed it. He ends up shuffling his feet sideways mid-way through, basically walking with the pass rusher. It just doesn't look pretty.

Edited September 27, 2015 by -Truth-

[Bmoreazfan]

If we would have won this game I think we could have gone into Pittsburgh and come out with the W against Vick or whoever it may be. After 3 straight heart breaking losses I think Vick or a half crippled Ben comes out fired up ready to drive the last nail in our coffin payback for last years playoff loss

[rmw10]

I'm just embarrassed to see him in pass protection because a lot of the time, it doesn't even look like he attempted a kick slide. He just looks like he anchors his feet and then tries to use solely upper body to shove the rusher wide.

 

Yeah it's not pretty at all.  Rushers don't even try to go inside on him because they know he can't/won't slide.  That edge is exposed.

[Sami84]

And we do. CJ Mosley is one in the making. Doom is an elite pass rusher and that's all he is. Hill is a great player. And we have big guys up front. And if Suggs was healthy. We'd have another.

You were saying?

 

doom is one dimensional and aging.CJ isn't there yet. Hill is an elite SS.

 

Its not enough. We don't have enough playmakers.

[balfan23]

I will say this...if they manage to beat PIT, the season is alive. Making it to the bye at 3-4 would keep the playoffs alive.

That said, I don't think they will. I'm thinking 1-6 before the bye, 2-5 if we're lucky.

I'm with you on the first part. 3-4 is definitely attainable. 

 

After that, we follow up the bye with 4 very winnable games. Then, it is tough to finish, but it could put us in position to have a chance. 

[cobrajet]

Second straight game where Trestmen calls a bomb on third and short when we are moving the ball and Gilmore is catching everything. It makes no damn sense! His playcalling absolutely sucks. I know Pees' defense gave up another fourth quarter lead again but I would have to flip a coin on who I would run out of town first. What the heck, they both need to go. Trestman reminds me a Cam Cameron and Pees reminds me of Greg Mattison.

[BmoreBird22]

You've nailed it. He ends up shuffling his feet sideways mid-way through, basically walking with the pass rusher. It just doesn't look pretty.

 

 

Yeah it's not pretty at all.  Rushers don't even try to go inside on him because they know he can't/won't slide.  That edge is exposed.

I was so excited to land him as an UDFA, but I wasn't sure he had the agility to play on the outside. I wanna know why Wagner wasn't kicked to the left and Hurst inserted at RT, but what ever.

[ludy51]

Don't you love some of the "fans" on this site?

Edited September 27, 2015 by ludy51

[rmw10]

I was so excited to land him as an UDFA, but I wasn't sure he had the agility to play on the outside. I wanna know why Wagner wasn't kicked to the left and Hurst inserted at RT, but what ever.

 

I also was excited.  His lack of mobility was my biggest question mark, but I had also always viewed him as a RT prospect that might even kick inside to G, rather than a LT prospect.  I think it would have been interesting to see if my opinion changed over time if he participated in all of the pre-draft stuff.  Right now, he's just awful.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

doom is one dimensional and aging.CJ isn't there yet. Hill is an elite SS.

Its not enough. We don't have enough playmakers.

No. We lack good coaching.

Daryl Smith is good

Brandon Williams is good

Carl Davis had played well.

Jernigan has yet to get up to speed but I have no doubts he'll get back to normal soon.

We lack good secondary play. Part of that is Dean Pees' fault. Arrington on the outside? Really? Jimmy had a bad day today. It happens.

I'm convinced we're a good corner and a good pass rusher away from being a good playoff team. Because even if Perriman isn't anything more than a deep threat. That's useful for us.

We're not a bad team. We lost all three of these games closely. One vs a legit one. We're a piece or two away.

So quit complaining. Yes. We're not making the playoffs. But that doesn't mean we're crap.

[BmoreBird22]

I also was excited.  His lack of mobility was my biggest question mark, but I had also always viewed him as a RT prospect that might even kick inside to G, rather than a LT prospect.  I think it would have been interesting to see if my opinion changed over time if he participated in all of the pre-draft stuff.  Right now, he's just awful.

Last year, I figured a lot of it had to do with his broken leg and him needing to get confidence back in it. This year, he's showing that was a terrible hypothesis. 

[rafahash]

Our D is way too soft. Please fire Pees.

[balfan23]

 That's because we are still paying Ray Rice. 2 more years of carrying that garbage on our payroll. We can free up some cap space by releasing the likes of Canty ( who canty play anymore ) Pitta because his career is over ( just ask Bo Jackson ) and some other dead weight we are dragging around like Aiken and Webb.

No doubt ... we're dropping some serious dead weight. We still have to see what happens with Flacco and we still have to lock up Yanda. 

 

Sorry, I know I'm the one that brought up next year ... cap analysis is really hard business, even when the off-season is upon us, let alone 4 months removed from the end of the season. I'll revisit later. If we have money to spend, that's my vote on where to spend it (assuming someone is available who fits the bill). 

[Sami84]

No. We lack good coaching.

Daryl Smith is good

Brandon Williams is good

Carl Davis had played well.

Jernigan has yet to get up to speed but I have no doubts he'll get back to normal soon.

We lack good secondary play. Part of that is Dean Pees' fault. Arrington on the outside? Really? Jimmy had a bad day today. It happens.

I'm convinced we're a good corner and a good pass rusher away from being a good playoff team. Because even if Perriman isn't anything more than a deep threat. That's useful for us.

We're not a bad team. We lost all three of these games closely. One vs a legit one. We're a piece or two away.

So quit complaining. Yes. We're not making the playoffs. But that doesn't mean we're crap.

 

 

Sorry..you are overrating players. Carl davis has played 3 games in his career.

 

We don't have a game wrecker on our D line. 

[rmw10]

Last year, I figured a lot of it had to do with his broken leg and him needing to get confidence back in it. This year, he's showing that was a terrible hypothesis. 

 

That was my hope as well.  I remember that he had lost considerable weight after the broken leg, and I figured it was just a long process in order to get back.  I'm guessing I was wrong lol

[-Truth-]

I was so excited to land him as an UDFA, but I wasn't sure he had the agility to play on the outside. I wanna know why Wagner wasn't kicked to the left and Hurst inserted at RT, but what ever.

I hated his tape personally, and there are few prospects whose tape I genuinely feel as strongly about. Don't even mean it as a pat on the back since I'd rather see our players succeed.

[Dfence4champs2052]

I'm with you on the first part. 3-4 is definitely attainable. 

 

After that, we follow up the bye with 4 very winnable games. Then, it is tough to finish, but it could put us in position to have a chance. 

 

 

But what's winnable now? The past three games have all been winnable. 

[Sami84]

Sorry..you are overrating players. Carl davis has played 3 games in his career.

 

We don't have a game wrecker on our D line. 

 

perriman could be more a jacoby jones than torrey

 

jacoby outside of his return game was awful ( barring a flukey few moments in the playoffs)

[BmoreBird22]

That was my hope as well.  I remember that he had lost considerable weight after the broken leg, and I figured it was just a long process in order to get back.  I'm guessing I was wrong lol

I just really hope Eugene Monroe gets fully healthy soon. Such a good talent when healthy.

[jimmypowder]

Joes made his mistakes but in the end he has put us in the position to win all 3 games in the final 2 minutes.

He has indeed . If your defense can't make a stop in crunch time you will be winless. Oh , just forgot, we are !

[Guest]

We've had issues at FS since Reed left. Not looking for a new Reed, just for anyone that isn't saying - oh wow, I should be covering the other teams #1 receiver deep shouldn't I? Whoops, my bad ...

 

No fixing that this year. I don't know how we fix it for the future. Can't see us getting that in the draft and these bargain basement vets are not the answer. We never have the cap space to go and get someone valuable at that position and I don't see that changing next year. 

 

The situation is deplorable.

 

Not only can't we not cover with what we have, our attempts to shore the position up have been laughable.

 

Whose fault is this?  Who is responsible for this abysmal situation? How did we get here?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Sorry..you are overrating players. Carl davis has played 3 games in his career.

We don't have a game wrecker on our D line.

Yes. And he's played well in all three. Two of them vs good olines. Why should I believe he won't be good in the near future.

So what? Ngata wasn't a game wrecker last year. He was good, but wasn't the star he used to be. Our dline is still pretty solid

[rmw10]

I just really hope Eugene Monroe gets fully healthy soon. Such a good talent when healthy.

 

Yep.  Unfortunately, we only got a few games of that guy in the 2013 season after the trade.  It sounds like he wasn't 100% at really any point last year.

[jazz1988]

perriman could be more a jacoby jones than torrey

 

jacoby outside of his return game was awful ( barring a flukey few moments in the playoffs)

 

Jacoby Jones was a solid returner  and solid number 3 receiver for The Ravens in 2012 and 2013.  If you want to say he had terrible hands then  2014 was only season where he dropped the most passes as a Ravens which was 4.

[SomeCreepinaVan]

The ugly is the defense especially the secondary, plain and simple.

 

Ozzie Newsome dropped the ball on getting talent and Dean Pees coaching skills are suspect, because he can't quite seem to coach up the players that he has on the roster.

 

Flacco and the offense are putting up the necessary points to win games. Especially in the last two games. 33 and 24 points should be enough to win most games. People who are consistently blaming Flacco come off as trolls.

Mosley scored one of those TDs.

[balfan23]

The situation is deplorable.

 

Not only can't we not cover with what we have, our attempts to shore the position up have been laughable.

 

Whose fault is this?  Who is responsible for this abysmal situation? How did we get here?

Well, given I've seen enough of your posts ... I know what you are driving at. I think some of the Ozzie trashing is kind of a stretch ... but I'll say one of his traditional strong points in finding some low cost vets to come in and start and not only play well, but be major contributors ... that has failed for what would appear to be the 3rd consecutive year at the FS position. 

[wizard1]

No doubt ... we're dropping some serious dead weight. We still have to see what happens with Flacco and we still have to lock up Yanda. 

 

Sorry, I know I'm the one that brought up next year ... cap analysis is really hard business, even when the off-season is upon us, let alone 4 months removed from the end of the season. I'll revisit later. If we have money to spend, that's my vote on where to spend it (assuming someone is available who fits the bill). 

 

I hear you on that and we are almost solely governed and stymied by salary cap issues which basically started with the Flacco/Rice signings. No question we had to pay Flacco but I still question the Rice " no cut " contract. Who was responsible for that? Whoever negotiated that for Rice should be our GM lol