The good, bad and ugly vs Bengals

[Guest]

Good:  Steve Smith

Bad:    Just about everybody else.

 

Possible:  Give Steve Smith some help.  Put Monroe back in although, he's no superman.

[Grapple Raven]

he didn't play offense at all hardly in the second half, I assumed he was injured and that's why boyle seen so much time

 

I think your assumption is correct as a reporter asked where Gillmore was in the second half and Harbs replied that the reporter would see when the injury reports comes out later this week.

[wizard1]

if we had pulled out even one of these 3 games (which all of them were winnable) you would not be saying that. You are letting your frustration of us losing cloud your judgment. Ozzie horrible at drafting? Only gets lucky? Lol get the heck outta here and go root for Snyder and the redskins.

 IMO You are the one with clouded judgement. You have continually refuse to address the real issues with this team and postured that all of our games were winnable. In the real world we are 0-3 and going into Pittsburgh with no swagger and coaches that have lost touch with what basic fundamental football is all about. How many losses will it take for you to say enough is enough?

[Ravenseconbeast]

Good:  Steve Smith

Bad:    Just about everybody else.

 

Possible:  Give Steve Smith some help.  Put Monroe back in although, he's no superman.

 

and the ugly:  Penalties

[Jekkutin]

I honestly don't get the "when does Perriman come back?" comments, what difference does it make ? Judging by the last couple of weeks, especially after the amount of STUPID/CRITICAL penalties committed we have much much bigger problems than WR's atm... I agree we have a great roster on paper, that basically leaves question marks over the coordinators... I never felt good about Trestman and the 10000yds separation between cbs/wrs is just ridiculous by Pees.. Hate to say this, but with this kind of a play we really do not deserve to win.

[pep_meister]

TURRON DAVENPORT ‏@TDavenport_NFL

Jimmy Smith & Steve Smith Sr having a long talk in the locker room. The CB said he's too emotional to talk to media right now.

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Bo Smolka ‏@bsmolka

After the game while other players changed and showered, Jimmy Smith sat in full uniform, head in his hands, for several minutes #RavensTalk

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Sounds like Jimmy is taking this really hard, which he should be

imagine having ray lewis and sss together in their primes... so much heart in one locker room.

[ratedr]

TURRON DAVENPORT ‏@TDavenport_NFL

Jimmy Smith & Steve Smith Sr having a long talk in the locker room. The CB said he's too emotional to talk to media right now.

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Bo Smolka ‏@bsmolka

After the game while other players changed and showered, Jimmy Smith sat in full uniform, head in his hands, for several minutes #RavensTalk

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Sounds like Jimmy is taking this really hard, which he should be

Well, at least he knows he didn't play well today.

[January J]

IMO You are the one with clouded judgement. You have continually refuse to address the real issues with this team and postured that all of our games were winnable. In the real world we are 0-3 and going into Pittsburgh with no swagger and coaches that have lost touch with what basic fundamental football is all about. How many losses will it take for you to say enough is enough?

that's bc all 3 games were winnable. And your calling for the coach who has the second most wins since 2008 and THE best gm in the league to be fired. Your posts should not have even been awknowledged; they def weren't worthy of a response. Harbaugh has been coaching his tail off- it's obvious the problem is with the defensive scheme and the "prevent" defense. Fix the scheme or fix the dc position. As for you - stick to predicting wins and losses.

[jazz1988]

 IMO You are the one with clouded judgement. You have continually refuse to address the real issues with this team and postured that all of our games were winnable. In the real world we are 0-3 and going into Pittsburgh with no swagger and coaches that have lost touch with what basic fundamental football is all about. How many losses will it take for you to say enough is enough?

 

Nobody likes to lose or see their team lose  but some Ravens fans act like The Ravens been  like  The Browns, Buccaneers, Rams, and etc for that past five years . This is the first year ever in John Harbaugh coaching career where The teams has lost three times in a row in the first three weeks of the regular season and want to know why because the team has been so successful for so many years but that doesn't matter to some Ravens fans. It hasn't even been that long since The Ravens went deep into the playoffs and almost nearly beat The Patriots.

[jazz1988]

 That's what i call good fans in my opinion.

[BmoreBird22]

Alright, time for my long post, like usual.

 

I'm beyond upset with the secondary. I have no idea what happened on that AJ Green 80 yard touchdown. I went back to watch the play because maybe it was zone and Hill was late. No, not even close. It was man across the board and Lewis was literally just flatfooted as all hell. Hill was definitely late (as he was a few times in this game), but that was piss poor coverage by Lewis. 

Melvin had a rough enough half of a first quarter to get benched for the remainder of the the game. Picked up right where he left off with the Patriots game. I saw some people here acting as if he was the savior. Pfft, okay. 

 

Jimmy looked incredibly off. It's clear that Lisfranc injury is still bothering him. He's so quick to turn and run in press man that he's getting beat inside and even in off man, he's just not exhibiting the same speed that you'd expect from him. Still, he had textbook coverage on that interception and when he's not being asked to turn and run down the perimeter on a long field, he's amazingly good. Too bad that's only helpful in the red zone. 

 

The pass rush is still abundantly bad. I figured the loss of Terrell Suggs would really hurt, but this is beyond what I was expecting. Dumervil has gone almost completely invisible and Timmy Jernigan looks like he has zero urgency to be a pass rusher. Carl Davis is doing pretty well, as is Brandon Williams. Still cannot understand why Babin is inactive. 

 

For as bad as Lewis was, he still somehow replaced Brooks. I didn't see much of Brooks, but that long completion to Green with Jimmy over the top was on Brooks. Brooks was far too late (seems to be a theme with the safeties) to get underneath that throw to contest it.

 

I've been pretty forgiving of Pees and often gave him the benefit of the doubt, but this was just so confusing. The only way he got pressure was by overload blitzes... well, that's not entirely true considering I saw a few loops inside and they got pressure, but they weren't used nearly enough. I saw a few defensive back blitzes that generated pressure, but what ever. Not nearly enough scheming up pressure. Plus, I'm so confused with the use of personnel. I know, he wants the defensive players to play multiple positions, but that is not a reason to use Lewis at CB when Arrington was signed to be a slot cornerback. It's putting way too much strain on Hill to be the single high, where he doesn't have the necessary range. They signed Lewis to be the single high FS, so make him that. It's infuriating. 

 

Offensively, Joe had a rough first half. A lot of throws off his back foot and just shoddy mechanics, but for those who want to complain about halftime adjustments, Trestman sure got some from Flacco. He planted his feet far more consistently and made a lot of pretty throws into tight coverage. That was a thing of beauty to see Flacco work with one legitimate threat (did Gilmore even play an offensive snap?) and no running game. For those who want to complain about him, just stop. If he had anything close to what Dalton has, this game is far different. Flacco and Smith were the bright spots on this offense.

 

I'm still shocked at how poor the offensive line is playing. Forsett was routinely getting stuffed right up the middle and runs to the left side were just generally not working because the offensive line was so piss poor. Osemele clearly doesn't want another contract (really only felt like he had one great year and a decent playoff run), Hurst decided he doesn't like to block, and Zuttah still generates no push and struggles with bigger blockers. Not to mention Osemele and Zuttah probably accounted for six or seven penalties between them, one of which was crucial in determining the fate of the team on fourth down. 

 

Speaking of fourth down, I don't blame Flacco at all for his decision. I know people were complaining about not going for Brown, but do you really expect Flacco to try to throw close to 50 yards across the field? Uh yeah, no thanks. That throw to Williams was right where it needed to be. I still don't understand Williams gearing down. I saw him going full speed, then he slows down, and then speeds up. When you're the only threat on that side of the field and your quarterback is rolling that way, you haul some butt. I guess that's something he'll learn as he gets more experience, but it's frustrating. 

What makes me most upset is that these three games could easily have all been a W. The Ravens could be 3-0, but instead they're 0-3. If they had won this game, they're 1-2 and facing a backup quarterback in Pittsburgh. They then take on the Browns at 2-2 and have a good shot at 3-2. Now I don't even care if they go 0-4 because the playoffs are almost assuredly out of reach.

[allblackraven]

He got a strip sack on Dalton, and pressured him all day long.

Yeah, that was the play where he beat Eifert 1on1.

[BmoreBird22]

Oh, and the damn referees. They were absolutely abysmal. I'm not saying all the calls weren't legit, but there were 22 accepted penalties and probably close to 30 flags thrown. No one see an issue with that?

[Cillmatic]

Oh, and the damn referees. They were absolutely abysmal. I'm not saying all the calls weren't legit, but there were 22 accepted penalties and probably close to 30 flags thrown. No one see an issue with that?

No, we suck. We gets flags. That's the issue.

[BmoreBird22]

And I don't know about anyone else, but I hate hearing players talk like this...

 

Justin Forsett: "in the first half, we didn't show up on offense. ... We have to start faster." #RavensTalk

 

Justin finishes with 10 carries for 13 yards, but he wants to talk about the offense as a whole? Keep it to "I", not "we" when you play that poorly

[HoldingCall]

When are you guys gonna get it? This all starts with Harbaugh. He is the Head Coach and it's time for him to get on with his lifes work. He will not be Baltimore's head coach next year. We are a poorly coached team plain and simple. Poor execution, too many penalties, poor one dimensional offensive play calling, bad tackling, I watched guys laying around all over the field and I saw Harbaugh with that " deer in the headlights " look. Harbaugh, Trestman and Pees lets get um outta here and Newsome too!

How about players, don't they share any responsibility? Most have been playing the game since about age ten. The team is so close to being winners that if they can just stop half the penalties, they win.

[BmoreBird22]

No, we suck. We gets flags. That's the issue.

There's a lot to be said when both teams accumulate that many flags. That's officials dictating the game. The first drive of the game alone had 5. That's absurd.

[Edgar]

Really disturbes me that the bengals expect to beat us and that we routinely make Dalton look top tier. That our culture has been hijacked over the Pees regime.

Jimmy Smith got it handed to him .......again

Hurst looks better these past two weeks in pass protection. What is going on with Osemele?

Bizarre "blind side" block called on zuttah....kind of ridiculous.

[rmw10]

And I don't know about anyone else, but I hate hearing players talk like this...

 

Justin Forsett: "in the first half, we didn't show up on offense. ... We have to start faster." #RavensTalk

 

Justin finishes with 10 carries for 13 yards, but he wants to talk about the offense as a whole? Keep it to "I", not "we" when you play that poorly

 

To be fair, it was hard for him to even get out of the backfield with how poorly the left side of the line played.  When he had space, he generally made something happen.

[arnie_uk]

And I don't know about anyone else, but I hate hearing players talk like this...

Justin Forsett: "in the first half, we didn't show up on offense. ... We have to start faster." #RavensTalk

Justin finishes with 10 carries for 13 yards, but he wants to talk about the offense as a whole? Keep it to "I", not "we" when you play that poorly

in fairness, he can do nothing with the oline blocking like they did.

[BmoreBird22]

To be fair, it was hard for him to even get out of the backfield with how poorly the left side of the line played.  When he had space, he generally made something happen.

I alluded to that in my longer post, but I saw no broken tackles and he was slow when he tried to bounce runs outside.

[Cillmatic]

There's a lot to be said when both teams accumulate that many flags. That's officials dictating the game. The first drive of the game alone had 5. That's absurd.

Because we messed up. Are you blaming the refs for the loss? Don't commit a hundred fouls and they won't call the foul. Edited September 27, 2015 by Cillmatic

[wizard1]

Nobody likes to lose or see their team lose  but some Ravens fans act like The Ravens been  like  The Browns, Buccaneers, Rams, and etc for that past five years . This is the first year ever in John Harbaugh coaching career where The teams has lost three times in a row in the first three weeks of the regular season and want to know why because the team has been so successful for so many years but that doesn't matter to some Ravens fans. It hasn't even been that long since The Ravens went deep into the playoffs and almost nearly beat The Patriots.

 

I can give you one recent example of what can happen. Jim Harbaugh and the niners. One year he is in the SB and the next year he starts losing control of his team and the next year he is gone. At some point someone has to take the blame. We can point fingers at the defense one week and the offense the next but sooner or later someone is responsible for the whole affair.

[Bmoreazfan]

Geeez.... I just realized looking at our schedule we will be lucky to go 4-12 this year. Anyway I can get a refund on Direct TV's Sunday ticket? No jk I love my Ravens enough to watch them lose all year if that's the way its going to be. We have no chance of making the playoffs unfortunately after today's loss... home games were a must win for this team with this tough schedule

[Edgar]

Oh, and the damn referees. They were absolutely abysmal. I'm not saying all the calls weren't legit, but there were 22 accepted penalties and probably close to 30 flags thrown. No one see an issue with that?

Pretty strange we had to use a challenge because not one ref saw the ball hit the ground. Also the blind side block against zuttah might be the oddest call made.

[The Raven]

And I don't know about anyone else, but I hate hearing players talk like this...

 

Justin Forsett: "in the first half, we didn't show up on offense. ... We have to start faster." #RavensTalk

 

Justin finishes with 10 carries for 13 yards, but he wants to talk about the offense as a whole? Keep it to "I", not "we" when you play that poorly

 

That's a we thing. When you only get 10 carries and you get no help from the line, it's a we thing.

[BmoreBird22]

Because we messed up. Are you blaming the refs for the loss? Don't commit a hundred fouls and they won't call the foul.

You could call a flag on every single play, but the referees obviously don't. There's a point where the referees say, "Let's let the players play." No, the referees didn't make the Ravens defense collapse, but on that first drive alone, there were three first down penalties for the Bengals. You don't think that's crucial? Penalties are absolute drive killers. 

[BmoreBird22]

Pretty strange we had to use a challenge because not one ref saw the ball hit the ground. Also the blind side block against zuttah might be the oddest call made.

The Zuttah call to me was bogus. For me, it looked like it was from the side and it looked similar to when an offensive player ducks, gets hit in the head, and still gets the call even though the defensive player was not initially going for the head.

[balfan23]

We've had issues at FS since Reed left. Not looking for a new Reed, just for anyone that isn't saying - oh wow, I should be covering the other teams #1 receiver deep shouldn't I? Whoops, my bad ...

 

No fixing that this year. I don't know how we fix it for the future. Can't see us getting that in the draft and these bargain basement vets are not the answer. We never have the cap space to go and get someone valuable at that position and I don't see that changing next year. 

[BmoreBird22]

That's a we thing. When you only get 10 carries and you get no help from the line, it's a we thing.

I don't think the offensive line played well at all, and I said as much in my long post, but Forsett didn't look like he had the best vision, didn't really find cutback lanes, didn't break any tackles, and was slow when bouncing runs to the outside. I mean, yeah, he got stuffed on quite a few runs because the interior left just allowed players to knife in, but those outside runs were just brutal at times.