The good, bad and ugly vs Bengals

[jimmypowder]

I have to disagree about missing Haloti. I think you are undervaluing what his quiet leadership meant to the D. With Sizzle out it would mean tons if he were still the anchor on the D line.

Kubes? While not stellar, the offense did enough to win.

Edit. In hindsight it would have been smart to keep Jacoby for the $2 mil.. But who knew we would be where we are with the WRs.

Maybe I am but I didn't know Suggs would go down .

What we are desperately lacking is speed at receiver and in the secondary .

We look like the slowest team on offense and defense in the NFL . That's why we are 0-3

[FlocksGottaFeed]

The Good, Bad, Ugly and Levity...

One play away again against the Bengals, but that does not a season make. We make that play the next time and absolutely nothing was lost.

We've actually won playoff games after losing to the Bengals...they can't say the same.

The AFC North most likely will not dominate the non-conference competition (i.e. - NFC South 2014) this season. Therefore, If we (at least) split and/or win the majority of inter-conference matchups and non-conference games on the schedule - we will most likely represent in playoffs again and win, again.

9-7 or 10-6 could win theconference this year.

 

edit - will not

Edited September 29, 2015 by jkm5bmore

[jimmypowder]

The Good, Bad, Ugly and Levity...

One play away again against the Bengals, but that does not a season make. We make that play the next time and absolutely nothing was lost.

We've actually won playoff games after losing to the Bengals...they can't say the same.

The AFC North most likely dominate the non-conference competition (i.e. - NFC South 2014) this season. Therefore, If we (at least) split and/or win the majority of inter-conference matchups and non-conference games on the schedule - we will most likely represent in playoffs again and win, again.

Pipe Dream .

[ravens rule]

Can we stop treating AJ Green like some scrub reciever ? Seriously, this is getting old.

[jimmypowder]

Can we stop treating AJ Green like some scrub reciever ? Seriously, this is getting old.

Who said that ? They crazy . He's top 5 .

[ravens rule]

Who said that ? They crazy . He's top 5 .

I meant the team not the fans lol. 

[jimmypowder]

I meant the team not the fans lol.

Hell that's even worse . Lol.

Edited September 29, 2015 by jimmypowder

[hawks85]

i feel your guys pain. even though we blanked the bears yesterday we still have issues. our offense needs to start faster etc...i can not stand bevell our offense coord. we our becoming predictable.

[Tank 92]

Maybe I am but I didn't know Suggs would go down . What we are desperately lacking is speed at receiver and in the secondary . We look like the slowest team on offense and defense in the NFL . That's why we are 0-3

 

yeah, no way of knowing and no way to keep either him or Torrey.  But for me, letting Jacoby go was a head scratcher.

[jimmypowder]

yeah, no way of knowing and no way to keep either him or Torrey. But for me, letting Jacoby go was a head scratcher.

Jacoby may have already won us a game with some crazy return . He did have good vision on returns .

It seems to me The Front Office has made some poor judgments in past couple of seasons .

Edited September 29, 2015 by jimmypowder

[GrimCoconut]

Jacoby Jones was rubbish last year. We're not losing because we lost Jacoby Jones. We didn't lose against the Bengals because Jones is gone. 

 

In fact, I just looked at his performance this year and it's also rubbish. I don't know why people lament over the past like it'll fix the present, but there's no indication that he would have solved anything. 

Edited September 29, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[jimmypowder]

I meant the team not the fans lol.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/09/aj-green-bengals-ravens-80-yard-touchdown

[Tank 92]

Jacoby Jones was rubbish last year. We're not losing because we lost Jacoby Jones. We didn't lose against the Bengals because Jones is gone.

 

No one claimed that, but he certainly could be helping if he got his confidence back. His issues were between his ears. And rubbish is a rather strong adjective for a guy that was ranked #2 return man in the NFL behind Hester.  He wasn't what he had been, but for $2 mil. it would have been a good gamble.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/09/aj-green-bengals-ravens-80-yard-touchdown

A highschool team lol....that is a compliment.

[rmcjacket23]

No one claimed that, but he certainly could be helping if he got his confidence back. His issues were between his ears. And rubbish is a rather strong adjective for a guy that was ranked #2 return man in the NFL behind Hester.  He wasn't what he had been, but for $2 mil. it would have been a good gamble.

Do you honestly believe that having Jacoby Jones on this team right now means we would have won any of the three games we have currently lost?

[GrimCoconut]

No one claimed that, but he certainly could be helping if he got his confidence back. His issues were between his ears. And rubbish is a rather strong adjective for a guy that was ranked #2 return man in the NFL behind Hester.  He wasn't what he had been, but for $2 mil. it would have been a good gamble.

Oh really?

 

Jacoby may have already won us a game with some crazy return . He did have good vision on returns . It seems to me The Front Office has made some poor judgments in past couple of seasons .

This comment sure sounds like we could've won games that we lost if we had Jones, which is a joke. Jacoby Jones has done nothing at all this year, so how could he have helped us? I get he whole love story we have here with Jones and his crazy catch during our Super Bowl run, but the guy wasn't good last year at all. Could we have used his speed? Sure. Do I think he would've helped? No. He just doesn't have it to be a #2 WR. That's a proven fact from everything I've seen and I doubt that's about to change at this point in his career.

 

Rubbish isn't a strong word for a WR who can't catch the ball. He can't catch the ball consistently. Do you recall how he played last year? He was rubbish. I'll say it again if it didn't sink in: Jacoby Jones played like rubbish last year. He couldn't catch the ball and he was slow to return the ball. He clearly lost a step with his speed, and his decisions were terrible at times. He had some nice plays and he'll have my respect for what he did to help us win a Super Bowl. I like the guy, but I do not see any way he could help this current team. 

Edited September 29, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[jimmypowder]

Do you honestly believe that having Jacoby Jones on this team right now means we would have won any of the three games we have currently lost?

Maybe , with one crazy return I would say it's possible .

Ranked 2nd in the NFL in returns is pretty good .

[Tank 92]

Do you honestly believe that having Jacoby Jones on this team right now means we would have won any of the three games we have currently lost?

 

Not sure. But I do believe he would be the best option at KR and also think he would have to be covered going deep as a WR.  It's hind sight, but knowing where we are now I think he would be an upgrade.

 

Oh really?

 

This comment sure sounds like we could've won games that we lost if we had Jones, which is a joke. Jacoby Jones has done nothing at all this year, so how could he have helped us? I get he whole love story we have here with Jones and his crazy catch during our Super Bowl run, but the guy wasn't good last year at all. Could we have used his speed? Sure. Do I think he would've helped? No. He just doesn't have it to be a #2 WR. That's a proven fact from everything I've seen and I doubt that's about to change at this point in his career.

 

Rubbish isn't a strong word for a WR who can't catch the ball. He can't catch the ball consistently. Do you recall how he played last year? He was rubbish. I'll say it again if it didn't sink in: Jacoby Jones played like rubbish last year. He couldn't catch the ball and he was slow to return the ball. He clearly lost a step with his speed, and his decisions were terrible at times. He had some nice plays and he'll have my respect for what he did to help us win a Super Bowl. I like the guy, but I do not see any way he could help this current team. 

 

dag, why so salty c nut!  And why not address the issue at KR?  

 

Call him rubbish if you like, but I'd take him right now over Aiken or Brown, especially on the cheap for $2 mil.

Edited September 29, 2015 by Tank 92

[jimmypowder]

Oh really?

This comment sure sounds like we could've won games that we lost if we had Jones, which is a joke. Jacoby Jones has done nothing at all this year, so how could he have helped us? I get he whole love story we have here with Jones and his crazy catch during our Super Bowl run, but the guy wasn't good last year at all. Could we have used his speed? Sure. Do I think he would've helped? No. He just doesn't have it to be a #2 WR. That's a proven fact from everything I've seen and I doubt that's about to change at this point in his career.

Rubbish isn't a strong word for a WR who can't catch the ball. He can't catch the ball consistently. Do you recall how he played last year? He was rubbish. I'll say it again if it didn't sink in: Jacoby Jones played like rubbish last year. He couldn't catch the ball and he was slow to return the ball. He clearly lost a step with his speed, and his decisions were terrible at times. He had some nice plays and he'll have my respect for what he did to help us win a Super Bowl. I like the guy, but I do not see any way he could help this current team.

If you can name one receiver on our team other than Perriman who has his speed even with him losing a step ,I might agree with you .

Yeah he had a lousy season last year as a receiver but are you telling me Aiken is better ? Or Marlon Brown for that matter ?

[GrimCoconut]

Not sure. But I do believe he would be the best option at KR and also think he would have to be covered going deep as a WR.  It's hind sight, but knowing where we are now I think he

 

 

dag, why so salty c nut!  And why not address the issue at KR?  

 

Call him rubbish if you like, but I'd take him right now over Aiken or Brown, especially on the cheap for $2 mil.

Who cares if he's a beast as a KR? I don't even think we returned that many kicks. How many kicks have we even returned? I recall teams mostly kicking out of our endzone most of the time. I know for a fact that was the case against Denver. I forget what happened against Oakland & Cincinnati, but I think everyone wants to forget these performances. I don't think he's worth $2M at this point because I see no value he brings this team. 

 

Why am I salty? Because I don't see how Jacoby Jones would help this team at all. We're lamenting the release of players who wouldn't have helped us either way. This isn't the issue with the current team. Losing Jones didn't suddenly cause the OL to go bad or the defense to forget how to play like Ravens.

 

And don't take it personally. I don't mean anything personal.

[GrimCoconut]

If you can name one receiver on our team other than Perriman who has his speed even with him losing a step ,I might agree with you . Yeah he had a lousy season last year as a receiver but are you telling me Aiken is better ? Or Marlon Brown for that matter ?

Nope, but I don't see what Jacoby Jones does to solve our OL nor do I see how he helps us when he dropped countless passes last year and resulted in MULTIPLE interceptions from Joe Flacco. I think we all seem to forget these plays when we lament the loss of Jacoby Jones, but I remember them very very well. 

[lgcs27288]

From the wise words of Aaron Rodgers, "R-E-L-A-X". That's all we need to do.

[Tank 92]

Who cares if he's a beast as a KR? I don't even think we returned that many kicks. How many kicks have we even returned? I recall teams mostly kicking out of our endzone most of the time. I know for a fact that was the case against Denver. I forget what happened against Oakland & Cincinnati, but I think everyone wants to forget these performances. I don't think he's worth $2M at this point because I see no value he brings this team. 

 

Why am I salty? Because I don't see how Jacoby Jones would help this team at all. We're lamenting the release of players who wouldn't have helped us either way. This isn't the issue with the current team. Losing Jones didn't suddenly cause the OL to go bad or the defense to forget how to play like Ravens.

 

And don't take it personally. I don't mean anything personal.

 

no harm, and really wasn't lamenting his loss. just having casual "what if" conversation with Jimmy P.

 

But since we are lamenting losses, it was tough to watch Haloti block a pass for a pick last night. lol   I know there was no way to keep him, but he looks sleek and quick(if a huge Tongan beast can look that way) and yes, i miss him!

[rmcjacket23]

Maybe , with one crazy return I would say it's possible . Ranked 2nd in the NFL in returns is pretty good .

We've had three opportunities to return kickoffs this season so far. THREE. Thinking that he will run out of three back is just flat out wrong in any possible way, so we can immediately discredit that.

 

We've also only had four opportunities to return punts this season so far. FOUR. Thinking that he will run out of four is just flat out wrong in any possible way, so we can immediately discredit that.

 

Rankings are great and all, but without context, they really don't mean anything. Based on Jacoby's actual historical production on returns, its more likely that he tries to bring an easy touchback out of the endzone and gets dropped inside the 20 than it is him running it back for a score.

 

Remember guys... this isn't 2012 anymore. We are a good three years past that just about.

[GrimCoconut]

no harm, and really wasn't lamenting his loss. just having casual "what if" conversation with Jimmy P.

 

But since we are lamenting losses, it was tough to watch Haloti block a pass for a pick last night. lol   I know there was no way to keep him, but he looks sleek and quick(if a huge Tongan beast can look that way) and yes, i miss him!

Ngata was a tough loss and I wonder if we miss him here at the moment. He was always a quiet guy, and you know I felt like he'd be gone, but I must admit losing Suggs makes me wonder if Ngata would've stepped up here. We'll never know. 

 

Corey Graham is the guy that got away for me. I'm still salty he left. He was a critical loss. 

[rmcjacket23]

If you can name one receiver on our team other than Perriman who has his speed even with him losing a step ,I might agree with you . Yeah he had a lousy season last year as a receiver but are you telling me Aiken is better ? Or Marlon Brown for that matter ?

Based on what we've seen from all of them the last two seasons, yes actually, I do think they are better.

 

Not sure what value speed (which is declining of course) brings when you can't actually complete the pass, either because the QB isn't very accurate with the deep ball (which he's not) or because the receiver can't catch consistently (which he can't).

 

Was never a big fan of the "lets just go deep and hope to get a PI penalty" offensive strategy. Too dependent on factors outside of our own control.

[jimmypowder]

Based on what we've seen from all of them the last two seasons, yes actually, I do think they are better.

Not sure what value speed (which is declining of course) brings when you can't actually complete the pass, either because the QB isn't very accurate with the deep ball (which he's not) or because the receiver can't catch consistently (which he can't).

Was never a big fan of the "lets just go deep and hope to get a PI penalty" offensive strategy. Too dependent on factors outside of our own control.

Wrong as usual .

[rmcjacket23]

Wrong as usual .

Proof?

[Tank 92]

Ngata was a tough loss and I wonder if we miss him here at the moment. He was always a quiet guy, and you know I felt like he'd be gone, but I must admit losing Suggs makes me wonder if Ngata would've stepped up here. We'll never know. 

 

Corey Graham is the guy that got away for me. I'm still salty he left. He was a critical loss. 

 

 

He was a quiet guy, but still a leader. And I still think Williams will pan out, but it seems the team of Jernigan and Williams haven't been able to fill the hole yet. Hopefully that happens soon. Totally agree on Graham. He was one of those under appreciated contributors that were thought to be replaceable, but that hasn't happened.

[Tank 92]

Proof?

 

 

If you're writin', you're wrong!   Just kiddin'.......lol