The good, bad and ugly vs Bengals

[ratedr]

The 0-3 record is less about complacency and more about the team simply not being very good. There was a lot of preseason hype but several things haven't panned out.

-Perriman with the longest healing knee bruise of all time

-Suggs out for the year

-Aiken and Brown not progressing as expected (as the FO expected I should say, as I never had confidence in them personally)

-KO and Wagner dealing with injuries

-The OL in general regressing significantly

-Zero rushing attack

-Jimmy Smith playing below his level from last year

 

The benefit of the bad record is draft position and possibly firing Pees. That's all. Doesn't help the attitude of the team. In fact, the losing record will likely expose any fractures that were below the surface. What are those fractures? If this continues (and it will imo) we will find out very soon.

[Dr. Kelley]

The 0-3 record is less about complacency and more about the team simply not being very good. There was a lot of preseason hype but several things haven't panned out.

-Perriman with the longest healing knee bruise of all time

-Suggs out for the year

-Aiken and Brown not progressing as expected (as the FO expected I should say, as I never had confidence in them personally)

-KO and Wagner dealing with injuries

-The OL in general regressing significantly

-Zero rushing attack

-Jimmy Smith playing below his level from last year

The benefit of the bad record is draft position and possibly firing Pees. That's all. Doesn't help the attitude of the team. In fact, the losing record will likely expose any fractures that were below the surface. What are those fractures? If this continues (and it will imo) we will find out very soon.

I was listening to 98 rock, and apparently Jonathan Ogden said the juan Castillo has the o line switched to a different scheme than the one kubiak had them on last year

Its possible that our run game will disappear again this year as well

[ratedr]

I was listening to 98 rock, and apparently Jonathan Ogden said the juan Castillo has the o line switched to a different scheme than the one kubiak had them on last year

Its possible that our run game will disappear again this year as well

I suspected this. People were praising Castillo for his work on the OL last year, but it's painfully obvious that all of the OL success was a product of Kubiak. Kubiak leaves and our run game is back to 2013 status. The only reason the passing game isn't quite that bad is because the pass blocking has been slightly (SLIGHTLY) improved compared to 2013.

[jazz1988]

I was listening to 98 rock, and apparently Jonathan Ogden said the juan Castillo has the o line switched to a different scheme than the one kubiak had them on last year

Its possible that our run game will disappear again this year as well

 

Well that's pretty dumb and if that's true then I guess Castillo didn't really learn a thing from Kubiak.

[Bobby]

I understand when people whine about Joe making the money and not being as good as we expect at times.....but Jimmy Smith just made BANK too and he is simply horrendous out there.....

[HoldingCall]

Alright, I took some time to read through the last couple pages and since im at work and have nothing else to do, I'll type up my long venting nonsense.  Please feel free to correct or inform me on anything i miss, i didnt get to pay as close attention as i wanted during the game.

 

-  Jason Babin, inactive again makes absolutely no sense.  Wonder if he will play Thursday. 

- This secondary is absolutely terrible.  Flashes of great plays here and there but it seems as if there is no communication, no team work, and how in the world did we forget to tackle.  Basically, if our offense gives us the lead with more than 1:30 left on the clock, count on the other team marching down the field and scoring. 

-Where did Gilmoore go in the second half, i didnt see anyone confirm this.  The guys is a monster with great hands.  Him and Max need to be on the field together, they are better playmakers than all the wrs outside of SSS. 

-We lack a deep threat, we all know that, but please tell me why we are sending Aiken deep, the guy looks like he runs a 5 flat, like when we used to send Boldin on go routes....right.  If i remember correctly, we have a 6'5 4.4 guy just chilling on special teams, must of overlooked him, althought i dont know how, seems kind of hard when he is 6'5!

- RBs- bad day.  I contribute that mostly to bad oline play

- I thought the DLine looked good, got some pressure, i think Carl Davis is a gem, stopped the run pretty well

- WRs.  We are in trouble here, i think its clear none of these wrs are capable of handling any type of workload.  When SSS has 17 targets, 13 catches, just shy of 200 yards and no one else can break 50, thats scary.  Next year we are going to be even worse off, thats even hoping BP is anything close to Torrey.  BP, camp, aiken, brown...good lord. 

- Joe- yet another game he starts slow then looks great in the second half.  I dont get why he decided to throw off his back foot the entire first half, it seems he has been doing this a lot lately.  Could there be a possible hamstring issue? Peyton had that problem last year, couldnt step into his throughs but wouldnt make much sense since Joe does tears it up in the second half. idk.

 

Closing Argument

Through our first 4 games i thought we would be 1-3 in all honesty, i just thought the win would come against the Raiders.  We beat the Steelers we are still ok, especially since its in Pitt and we will play them later on in the year at home.  Highly doubt any coaching staff changes are made before the bye, especially on a short week, but someone needs to help Pees out, even i know prevent defense for us basically means prevent a win.  Honestly, no drastic player changes need to be made, Joe is making it work on the offense side with what he has wich to me is astonishing, if the defense could stop anything when it mattered...we would be just fine.  Im a very positive person and im still with our boys and think there is a chance for a post season, less likely now obviously, but ill keep faith for one more week, esepecially playing our most hated rival with out their franchise qb who has been playing out of his mind.  People need to chill with the fire Harbaugh and Ozzie, when i say ppl i think just sami and wizard dude are the ones who ask for that, you dont fire a coach who goes to the playoffs 7/8 years and has a SB ring, stop it.  I honestly think we can go into the Bye at 5-3, more likely 4-4 bc AZ is playing insane. still hope. keep faith.  Its not over till its over.  

 

edit- was upshaw a non factor, or is that just me hating too much

The team did its job against the run so I think Upshaw probably did fine.

 

WRs: If help doesn't appear soon, SSS is going to burn out (the I-V on the sideline didn't look good). At 36, he's putting up numbers of 24-27 year olds. I can't see that lasting without eventually wearing him down or resulting in injury.

 

RB: Forsett, 10 carries 13 yards. entire team under 40 yards. Obviously an OL issue, and likely the reason Joe is throwing more off his back foot. I wonder whether someone is playing injured.

 

The secondary is running like an un-tuned engine, they are not consistently working well as a unit. My question is, why do they look slow in both reaction and closing speed?

 

We don't know Babin's issue but clearly there must be one.

[The Mom Gene]

Losing will make us humble??????

and using the word ARROGANT????? 

 

Come on Folks...  We are getting way too crazy here with this stuff....  ARROGANT is a word we use to describe P*triots fans...  not Ravens fans...  This team has done nothing but work it's butt off to get where it goes.  We have never done it the easy way... so why start now??? 

 

Being humble doesn't help our team.  Lifting and Motivating them does....  When they know that we got their backs, they play.  And yesterday was the perfect example of that...  When the offense came out slow????  We let them know we weren't happy about that...  and then when they got their butts in gear????  Seven Nation Army Baby.... 

 

That's all I'm sayin....  We have to just keep plugging people!

[ravensfan2430]

I suspected this. People were praising Castillo for his work on the OL last year, but it's painfully obvious that all of the OL success was a product of Kubiak. Kubiak leaves and our run game is back to 2013 status. The only reason the passing game isn't quite that bad is because the pass blocking has been slightly (SLIGHTLY) improved compared to 2013.

Sounds like it.  So instead of Castillo learning what works with these guys, he decides to go with what he wants. I'd love to confirm what exactly he has done/ is doing with the online.

[ratedr]

I understand when people whine about Joe making the money and not being as good as we expect at times.....but Jimmy Smith just made BANK too and he is simply horrendous out there.....

Yep, and it scares me. Especially with his injury history. I don't want another Webb-type contract just as we're about to get Webb off the books. It would've been risky but I'm starting to think they should've let him play the year out.

[The Mom Gene]

The team did its job against the run so I think Upshaw probably did fine.

 

WRs: If help doesn't appear soon, SSS is going to burn out (the I-V on the sideline didn't look good). At 36, he's putting up numbers of 24-27 year olds. I can't see that lasting without eventually wearing him down or resulting in injury.

 

RB: Forsett, 10 carries 13 yards. entire team under 40 yards. Obviously an OL issue, and likely the reason Joe is throwing more off his back foot. I wonder whether someone is playing injured.

 

The secondary is running like an un-tuned engine, they are not consistently working well as a unit. My question is, why do they look slow in both reaction and closing speed?

 

We don't know Babin's issue but clearly there must be one.

 

Perfectly said!

[Dr. Kelley]

Sounds like it. So instead of Castillo learning what works with these guys, he decides to go with what he wants. I'd love to confirm what exactly he has done/ is doing with the online.

According to JO, he has them doing more man blocking than zone

[HoldingCall]

Yes, we definitely need to have more stretch runs.  That is Forsett's strength.

Wondering if someone on the OL can't do the stretch plays yet due to a mobility issue, or re-injury risk.

[The Mom Gene]

Yep, and it scares me. Especially with his injury history. I don't want another Webb-type contract just as we're about to get Webb off the books. It would've been risky but I'm starting to think they should've let him play the year out.

 

Hate to tell you...  Jimmy isn't horrendous.  Either is Will Hill.  The unit isn't getting the cohesion it needs.  Chemistry is not there.  And it has to be, just like on the offense.

 

Coming back from a Lisfranc injury and trying to keep up with the likes of Cooper and Green????  Just sayin.  Keep your eyes out there and see how many people can actually do that, even when they've not had one of those injuries and are healthy.

[ratedr]

Jeff ZrebiecVerified account‏@jeffzrebiecsun

Looking at Ravens' snap counts, one of most alarming things is Kamar Aiken played 63 snaps, most among WRs, and had one target, zero catches

[jazz1988]

According to JO, he has them doing more man blocking than zone

 

 

I'm not sure if I can really believe that. It doesn't really make alot sense honestly

[Dr. Kelley]

I'm not sure if I can really believe that. It doesn't really make alot sense honestly

Just relaying the information. All I know is the run game went MIA again

[Ravens2343]

 

Jeff ZrebiecVerified account‏@jeffzrebiecsun

Looking at Ravens' snap counts, one of most alarming things is Kamar Aiken played 63 snaps, most among WRs, and had one target, zero catches

 

 

Give Campanaro and Waller more opportunities! Maybe look to bring Jeremy Butler or Jeremy Ross up from the practice squad also

[Drew P]

Just relaying the information. All I know is the run game went MIA again

 

Buck looks like he can break one off...BUT one carry? SMH

[ratedr]

Would like to see more of Buck going forward. The run blocking stinks but it's clear that Forsett won't do anything unless massive holes are opened for him. He can do the bare minimum but won't give you anything extra.

[Edgar]

Look, it's only PRESEASON! What don't you guys get? Preseason doesn't matter. It didn't matter in 2013 and it doesn't matter now...we will figure this out once the real games start. We will see more downfield throws,the running game will improve,etc.

[RavensFanMania]

I was listening to 98 rock, and apparently Jonathan Ogden said the juan Castillo has the o line switched to a different scheme than the one kubiak had them on last year

Its possible that our run game will disappear again this year as well

If that's true, and I suspect it is, than that is absolutely crazy.  They were one of the best units in the nfl last year.  That's sheer stupidity.

[ravensdfan]

I was listening to 98 rock, and apparently Jonathan Ogden said the juan Castillo has the o line switched to a different scheme than the one kubiak had them on last year

Its possible that our run game will disappear again this year as well

There was a all praise Juan Castillo thread last season. I said in that thread that I was not ready to do that, Kubiak made his mark on that O line and let's see what happens when he is not here. (he'd already announced he was going then). No one wanted to listen.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

Hate to tell you...  Jimmy isn't horrendous.  Either is Will Hill.  The unit isn't getting the cohesion it needs.  Chemistry is not there.  And it has to be, just like on the offense.

 

Coming back from a Lisfranc injury and trying to keep up with the likes of Cooper and Green????  Just sayin.  Keep your eyes out there and see how many people can actually do that, even when they've not had one of those injuries and are healthy.

You mean like when Jimmy plays ten to fifteen yards off of a receiver on a 3rd down with four yards to advance the chains ? Or when he gets burned deep consistently ? Being aggressive is one thing if you have help behind you but he knows as well as we do that the help is not there. When i see a DL making tackles 30 yards down field and Smith on his butt along with Melvin and Hill not making the same play it kills me. Yesterday 51 was making plays down field while NONE of the deep guys could.

 

Smith reminds me of Boller but on defense. Has all of the attributes to be good and we invest years and a ton of cash and in the end it is a waste. If he even would show consistent play in any one area like tackling, covering, anything it would be different but he doesn't. He obviously is not the only problem but he is not a shut down corner we are paying him to be. 

 

He scares no QB, they test him and he fails every game. But yet here we are investing top money in a injury prone mediocre talent.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

Kubiak knew our line was weak and designed our offense to get the ball out quickly. I just hope this season does not stick with Joe. He is starting to gain some very bad habits from having to get rid of the ball to early and the interceptions and horrible decisions speak for themselves. 

 

Flacco is not to blame. He is a product of what he is given in time by the O'line and the lack of talent he has available.

[rmw10]

PFF has Arrington as only giving up one reception yesterday.  That was the pass to Marvin Jones which was great coverage.  It was just a perfect throw by Dalton to where only Jones could get it, and he came down with a great catch.  I've seen a lot of people blasting both him and Webb for poor performances yesterday, but I honestly thought both of them played well.  I feel like a lot of opinions are being skewed off of a few bad plays (in Webb's case) and a disdain for Arrington after last game.

[ratedr]

PFF has Arrington as only giving up one reception yesterday.  That was the pass to Marvin Jones which was great coverage.  It was just a perfect throw by Dalton to where only Jones could get it, and he came down with a great catch.  I've seen a lot of people blasting both him and Webb for poor performances yesterday, but I honestly thought both of them played well.  I feel like a lot of opinions are being skewed off of a few bad plays (in Webb's case) and a disdain for Arrington after last game.

Link to full PFF analysis?

[rmw10]

Link to full PFF analysis?

 

Twitter provided that info for me.

[berad]

PFF has Arrington as only giving up one reception yesterday.  That was the pass to Marvin Jones which was great coverage.  It was just a perfect throw by Dalton to where only Jones could get it, and he came down with a great catch.  I've seen a lot of people blasting both him and Webb for poor performances yesterday, but I honestly thought both of them played well.  I feel like a lot of opinions are being skewed off of a few bad plays (in Webb's case) and a disdain for Arrington after last game.

 

Arrington was off the field for the first portion of the game. Once the Bengals started picking on Melvin, who was floundering, he got pulled for Arrington. Kyle was solid except for the Jones play which, like you said, was well defended. He wasn't the issue yesterday. Webb was probably the most solid corner on the field, don't recall him letting up any plays.

[jimmypowder]

The thing is...they should've already known that.

Right in the mark !

[-Truth-]

PFF has Arrington as only giving up one reception yesterday.  That was the pass to Marvin Jones which was great coverage.  It was just a perfect throw by Dalton to where only Jones could get it, and he came down with a great catch.  I've seen a lot of people blasting both him and Webb for poor performances yesterday, but I honestly thought both of them played well.  I feel like a lot of opinions are being skewed off of a few bad plays (in Webb's case) and a disdain for Arrington after last game.

 

I'm wondering whether the link was inaccurate. The PFF page has him pegged with 3 targets, 3 receptions allowed for 46 yards. It was definitely easy to tell that Webb had a solid game, at least for me it was. I went as far as saying that he was our best CB yesterday right after the game.