The good, bad and ugly vs Bengals

[Tank 92]

Totally false. Jimmy didn't cover AJ on that 80 Yard TD or 40 Yard reception. Thats 120 Yards not accounted by Jimmy. Granted, he didn't play well but people! Hes coming back from a season ending injury. It takes time. Last time I check, Derrelle Revis wasn't a showstopper his first year in Tampa after coming back from that ACL injury.

Im confident Jimmy will return to form, hes still not 100%.

He blew the tackle.

[polynesian15]

2013 Elam was the ONLY new cog. Diggs had been here.

 

Arrington & Lewis played well for other teams and now they're garbage? Stewart was one of the players that all the Pees supporters said what was he supposed to do with that in coverage? He was garbage and look at him now.

 

Not buying it. These guys were all in camp together. They've had plenty of time to get their communication down. I have not seen ANY other team EVER have these issues season after season after season no matter the turnover. That is coaching.

This 0-3 (possibly 0-4) start might be what this team needs, to get things shaken up a bit. Like others have mentioned, Ravens fans have been spoiled for a long time with consecutive winning seasons and playoff appearances.

We might need a season or two to get humble and hungry, build with high(er) draft picks, do some coaching changes and come back new and refreshed....

Either way, go Ravens!

[Militant X 1]

This 0-3 (possibly 0-4) start might be what this team needs, to get things shaken up a bit. Like others have mentioned, Ravens fans have been spoiled for a long time with consecutive winning seasons and playoff appearances.

We might need a season or two to get humble and hungry, build with high(er) draft picks, do some coaching changes and come back new and refreshed....

Either way, go Ravens!

 

This is one of the dumbest things that I've ever heard!  Lol!

[Sami84]

This is one of the dumbest things that I've ever heard!  Lol!

 

no..actually..it's one of the more real things i've heard.

 

we haven't drafted well in recent years. that combined with crippling contracts and lots of personnel needs makes what he has said pretty accurate.

[usmccharles]

Alright, I took some time to read through the last couple pages and since im at work and have nothing else to do, I'll type up my long venting nonsense.  Please feel free to correct or inform me on anything i miss, i didnt get to pay as close attention as i wanted during the game.

 

-  Jason Babin, inactive again makes absolutely no sense.  Wonder if he will play Thursday. 

- This secondary is absolutely terrible.  Flashes of great plays here and there but it seems as if there is no communication, no team work, and how in the world did we forget to tackle.  Basically, if our offense gives us the lead with more than 1:30 left on the clock, count on the other team marching down the field and scoring. 

-Where did Gilmoore go in the second half, i didnt see anyone confirm this.  The guys is a monster with great hands.  Him and Max need to be on the field together, they are better playmakers than all the wrs outside of SSS. 

-We lack a deep threat, we all know that, but please tell me why we are sending Aiken deep, the guy looks like he runs a 5 flat, like when we used to send Boldin on go routes....right.  If i remember correctly, we have a 6'5 4.4 guy just chilling on special teams, must of overlooked him, althought i dont know how, seems kind of hard when he is 6'5!

- RBs- bad day.  I contribute that mostly to bad oline play

- I thought the DLine looked good, got some pressure, i think Carl Davis is a gem, stopped the run pretty well

- WRs.  We are in trouble here, i think its clear none of these wrs are capable of handling any type of workload.  When SSS has 17 targets, 13 catches, just shy of 200 yards and no one else can break 50, thats scary.  Next year we are going to be even worse off, thats even hoping BP is anything close to Torrey.  BP, camp, aiken, brown...good lord. 

- Joe- yet another game he starts slow then looks great in the second half.  I dont get why he decided to throw off his back foot the entire first half, it seems he has been doing this a lot lately.  Could there be a possible hamstring issue? Peyton had that problem last year, couldnt step into his throughs but wouldnt make much sense since Joe does tears it up in the second half. idk.

 

Closing Argument

Through our first 4 games i thought we would be 1-3 in all honesty, i just thought the win would come against the Raiders.  We beat the Steelers we are still ok, especially since its in Pitt and we will play them later on in the year at home.  Highly doubt any coaching staff changes are made before the bye, especially on a short week, but someone needs to help Pees out, even i know prevent defense for us basically means prevent a win.  Honestly, no drastic player changes need to be made, Joe is making it work on the offense side with what he has wich to me is astonishing, if the defense could stop anything when it mattered...we would be just fine.  Im a very positive person and im still with our boys and think there is a chance for a post season, less likely now obviously, but ill keep faith for one more week, esepecially playing our most hated rival with out their franchise qb who has been playing out of his mind.  People need to chill with the fire Harbaugh and Ozzie, when i say ppl i think just sami and wizard dude are the ones who ask for that, you dont fire a coach who goes to the playoffs 7/8 years and has a SB ring, stop it.  I honestly think we can go into the Bye at 5-3, more likely 4-4 bc AZ is playing insane. still hope. keep faith.  Its not over till its over.  

 

edit- was upshaw a non factor, or is that just me hating too much

Edited September 28, 2015 by usmccharles

[Sir Spooky]

Why do people not believe we are putting up enough points?  We are scoring. just starting later... We're staying in stride.  Even if we scored more, the opponent would gain more possessions as well, and the opponent would score more too, because the D just cannot stop them...  So the truth is, it's actually doesn't matter if we scored more.  It's the defense.  CBS stated it pretty clearly today... with all the new rules in this game, it's very difficult to play defense in this pass happy game.

I wasn't blaming the offense or saying we don't score enough points, but was saying that we have score like 40 points to win games. As in our offense has to be a top offense to win.

[Militant X 1]

no..actually..it's one of the more real things i've heard.

 

we haven't drafted well in recent years. that combined with crippling contracts and lots of personnel needs makes what he has said pretty accurate.

 

You are addressing the draft pick suggestion of the post I quoted.  I'm referencing the portion of the post that I "bolded"...you know....this part....

 

Ravens fans have been spoiled for a long time with consecutive winning seasons and playoff appearances.

We might need a season or two to get humble .

 

Again, this is one of the dumbest things that I've ever heard.  How in the hell is the Ravens having a losing season or two or three going to "humble" me as a fan?  Smh!

[ravensdfan]

You are addressing the draft pick suggestion of the post I quoted.  I'm referencing the portion of the post that I "bolded"...you know....this part....

 

Ravens fans have been spoiled for a long time with consecutive winning seasons and playoff appearances.

We might need a season or two to get humble .

 

Again, this is one of the dumbest things that I've ever heard.  How in the hell is the Ravens having a losing season or two or three going to "humble" me as a fan?  Smh!

More importantly how does being a humble fan help the team at all? Doesn't matter if we are arrogant or humble. Not like they get losses for our arrogance and wins for our humbleness.

[darklight1216]

Can you replace your panic button with this?

 

 

Sure... if they start winning.

[darklight1216]

Can you replace your panic button with this?

 

 

Sure... if they start winning.

 

No, he was speaking positively about Steve Smith... sorry, should have been more specific

 

Oh okay.

[Ravens2343]

It was nice to see Campanaro make a few plays, he also did well returning punts. He made a clutch catch for a first down in the 4th quarter, they need to put him on the field in 3 wide sets and let him operate out of the slot

[ratedr]

SSR, Waller, and Camp.

These are the three guys I want starting at WR until Perriman comes, whenever that will be.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

Also, what is with all of those game changing penalties??

 

Refs need to let the boys play.

They stated yesterday (they being the announcers) that if penalties arise they have to call them as they get graded and judged as well. So they have to do their jobs. Just be more consistent.

 

My take on yesterday is that on a few of the plays Melvin played like he was just not in the same league. Not saying he is the blame but someone needs to cover. I am shocked with Will Hill's play. It is as if he cannot see a play developing nor see where her needs to be. Would not have been surprised if at some point he ended up in the huddle. He looked that lost yesterday.

 

The penalties are getting out of hand as well. But that is the entire league. We already had a league high last week by a large margin.

[cdrumney]

Two of most dissaponting aspects to yesterday' s 'give away' was lack of discipline.. meaningful penalties! The second is ofensive play calling in all 3 games has been less than what we have come to expect.  As I was watching from my home here in Marietta Ga. I called the AJ Green touchdown before the snap, also known as the 8 second strike by CBS. How is it we fans who are not coaches can figure out the obvious and yet we still get beat on that deciding play...keep him in front of you, I think they call it 'prevent defense'. Oh well, so much for the preseason hype about the Ravens wiining the North or for that matter being in S/B...I would settle for 8-8 and consider it a successful season given where we are today. Maybe, we can take advantage of the Q/B misfortune in Pitt and come home and beat the Browns, I think that if we don't we lose the one thing that matters the most...RESPECT.

[iceripper]

Pees needs to communicate better. How can some DB's play man to man if Pees called a zone? Get Brown and Mcclellan more involved and call some exotic blitzes. The defense consistently messed up when Pees came up with some experiments like putting Lewis on one-on-one coverage etc.

 

Melvin and Aiken are PS players at best, thats why they didn't make the roster elsewhere. Aiken made some plays last season because he was a #3,4 WR. Now if he lines up against their better CBs he's completly lost. 

Waller made 2 nice tackles as a gunner I can't tell why he hasn't seen any offensive snaps so far.

It was obvious why Marlon was targeted on the last play. 

I'd like to see some outside runs from Buck Allen and in general more snaps for Taliaferro

Hopefully Trestman creates more mismatches like Williams and Boyle at FB or Juice on the outside. Although Camps run and the special goal line route from SSR are some good starting steps.

[HoldingCall]

SSR, Waller, and Camp.

These are the three guys I want starting at WR until Perriman comes, whenever that will be.

I suspect Camp will see more time especially if they keep with the short-to-intermediate throws as they've done. Blocking is where Marlon does a decent and likely better job given his size.

[Ravens4Real]

The Ravens certainly found out how terrible Arrington is as an outside CB yesterday.

[ratedr]

The Ravens certainly found out how terrible Arrington is as an outside CB yesterday.

The thing is...they should've already known that.

[HoldingCall]

They stated yesterday (they being the announcers) that if penalties arise they have to call them as they get graded and judged as well. So they have to do their jobs. Just be more consistent.

 

My take on yesterday is that on a few of the plays Melvin played like he was just not in the same league. Not saying he is the blame but someone needs to cover. I am shocked with Will Hill's play. It is as if he cannot see a play developing nor see where her needs to be. Would not have been surprised if at some point he ended up in the huddle. He looked that lost yesterday.

 

The penalties are getting out of hand as well. But that is the entire league. We already had a league high last week by a large margin.

It's that little extra something that keep costing the team in the end. In this case, penalties keep costing games, they need to get them under control.

[ratedr]

I didn't realize our DB coach is a former STs coach with zero defensive experience previously. What the heck??

[RavensFanMania]

We lost because our Defense can't play when it matters.

We lost because Osemele committed a game killing penatly.

 

That's how I see it. Our D steps up, we win.

Osemele doesn't grab the face mask, we likely drive in for the game winning TD, and we win.

 

If we beat the Steelers, I still have faith. No Big Ben, so it will be a confidence booster. We beat Pitt, we beat the Browns, we streak, we're good.

 

If we fail to beat a washed up Vick, then we need to kick Dean Pees out of Baltimore and hire Chuck Pagano when he gets ousted from Indy.

we need to win the next three games and be at least 3-4 by the by week and 4-4 by midseason.  If we can do that we have a chance.  Worse case scenario is that we have a high draft pick and Dean Pees is fired....there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Edited September 28, 2015 by RavensFanMania

[Ravens2343]

Pees needs to communicate better. How can some DB's play man to man if Pees called a zone? Get Brown and Mcclellan more involved and call some exotic blitzes. The defense consistently messed up when Pees came up with some experiments like putting Lewis on one-on-one coverage etc.

 

Melvin and Aiken are PS players at best, thats why they didn't make the roster elsewhere. Aiken made some plays last season because he was a #3,4 WR. Now if he lines up against their better CBs he's completly lost. 

Waller made 2 nice tackles as a gunner I can't tell why he hasn't seen any offensive snaps so far.

It was obvious why Marlon was targeted on the last play. 

I'd like to see some outside runs from Buck Allen and in general more snaps for Taliaferro

Hopefully Trestman creates more mismatches like Williams and Boyle at FB or Juice on the outside. Although Camps run and the special goal line route from SSR are some good starting steps.

 

I would like to see Waller get some opportunities as well, and not just jump balls in the end zone.  Camp should be a starter in 3 wide sets for how well he has played.  The running game is baffling, I wish Trestman would do the stretch runs we did last year and get the line moving laterally.  Last year Kubiak did a good job disguising our plays and teams didn't know what it would be, now it seems defenses put 8 in the box because they know we are running and Trestman runs straight ahead right into the line for 1 yard gains

[RavensFanMania]

I would like to see Waller get some opportunities as well, and not just jump balls in the end zone.  Camp should be a starter in 3 wide sets for how well he has played.  The running game is baffling, I wish Trestman would do the stretch runs we did last year and get the line moving laterally.  Last year Kubiak did a good job disguising our plays and teams didn't know what it would be, now it seems defenses put 8 in the box because they know we are running and Trestman runs straight ahead right into the line for 1 yard gains

Yes, we definitely need to have more stretch runs.  That is Forsett's strength.

[Ravens2343]

Yes, we definitely need to have more stretch runs.  That is Forsett's strength.

 

It surely is and it doesn't make any sense why we are not using them.  It seems to be Allen and Taliaferro's strengths as well.  Our offensive line is very athletic and do well moving laterally, that Is a big reason why we were able to succeed last year with Hurst at left tackle.  Get the line moving and Flacco rolling out and bootlegs to go with the stretch runs.  Our receivers don't have a ton of speed so why not make the cornerbacks try and cover for a few more seconds.  Guys like Campanaro and Aiken would really benefit from those plays.  Throwing the ball 74% of the time will not get it done

[RavensFanMania]

no..actually..it's one of the more real things i've heard.

 

we haven't drafted well in recent years. that combined with crippling contracts and lots of personnel needs makes what he has said pretty accurate.

Sami, this is far from the truth.  We've drafted some REALLY good players the last few years.  Yes we whiffed on Elam but nobody's perfect.  That being said it doesn't matter how talented your team is if they aren't put in position to succeed.  Pees has got to go, we have VERY Talented players at every level of the defense and on offense I still have Faith in Trestman.  As mentioned previously I think we need more stretch runs, but he's a talented OC that needs time.  We have gone up against three straight great run defenses to start the season. 

 

I'm not saying I don't respect your opinion, but imo, you are far from the truth if you don't see that we have drafted well. 

Edited September 28, 2015 by RavensFanMania

[nextgen_RavensFan]

id beg him to stay on for one more year after this team is rebuilt.

I am not sure what you mean by being "rebuilt" ? What will we do different this off season that we have not done the last 3 or 4 ? We still need 2 corners as none of ours can cover game after game nor can the defense finish a game. Our offensive line is just that "offensive" to watch and we still need one or two decent WR's. Not to mention we need a Safety as Hill clearly is not the answer. How do we fill those needs while still doling out all of the salaries ? 

 

Already knowing we do horrible in drafts when it comes to all of the positions i just mentioned. I just do not see a quick fix and surely not one that would coax Smith back for another year as he hates to lose.

 

We need to fix the O'line firstly as it all starts with Flacco feeling comfortable. Most of his passes have been off and it is all due to not setting the feet. You fix the O'line and the scoring will keep us more then in games. The defense is a much more harder issue. The next man up philosophy is not cutting it. The well is dried up of talent at every CB and safety position and we need a resolution. Not reassurance and word games. I mean Jimmy Smith at best so far is a #2 corner, never has shown reliable skills in back to back games. Almost willing to say back to back quarters.

[ratedr]

Count Will Hill as another guy who looked good on another team then comes here and plays subpar. Though I will say he looked better last year, Spags probably had something to do with that. We have a clueless guy at DC and a former special teams coach at DB coach.

[Cycu]

Is there any game plan our D tries to implement? I see none. Except delayed MLB and safety blitzes the pass rush doesn't exist. Don't even want to talk about secondaries. At least Hill is making plays or trying to. Do U guys know what's the cap hit of j.Smith and Webb this year? 12,85 mil. Denver have Talib and Harris for half of that money! Has Arrington defended the single pass yet?

 

How about Upshaw, he can't catch the ball that is falling on his head? That was where all the misery started. We should have stopped that 1st TD and get a little confidence boost. 

[Edgar@llenP0e]

This 0-3 (possibly 0-4) start might be what this team needs, to get things shaken up a bit. Like others have mentioned, Ravens fans have been spoiled for a long time with consecutive winning seasons and playoff appearances.

We might need a season or two to get humble and hungry, build with high(er) draft picks, do some coaching changes and come back new and refreshed....

Either way, go Ravens!

Ravens fans haven't been spoiled. Maybe you have, but not the rest of us.

[polynesian15]

This is one of the dumbest things that I've ever heard!  Lol!

Agree to disagree I guess. Wanker really. Being in a 0-2 hole, I was expecting the guys to ball out and play with urgency. Except for Smitty and a few others, I (myself personally) saw a pretty flat football team. Expecially the D, just giving up chunk after chunk of yardage. Also, I wrote 'maybe' - I'm not saying I have all the answers, to me it just looks like things need to get shaken up.  

 

More importantly how does being a humble fan help the team at all? Doesn't matter if we are arrogant or humble. Not like they get losses for our arrogance and wins for our humbleness.

Not really referring to the fans here, don't really see the relevance - much like you mention. I want to see the team more humble AND hungry, I thought being down 0-2 would do that for them. Maybe being down 0-3 will push them to play ALL out. They've looked pretty flat so far IMHO.