The good, bad and ugly vs Bengals

[GrimCoconut]

So here's how this works. Next season we could open up roughly 9 million by cutting Pitta, Webb, and Forsett. Since Forsett is a product of a good oline, we shouldn't miss him to much. Pitta's career is probably over, and Webb isn't the same. So I don't think the cap is as bad as we're making it out to be. 

 

That's looking to the future though. From there we can probably resign Yanda to a good deal. Tucker and Upshaw will come for cheap. As should Ryan Jensen and Melvin. Depth never hurts

I wouldn't let go of Webb or Pitta yet. Why? Webb has actually played better each game, IMO. Pitta is a question mark but who knows what happens when (if) he comes back. I wouldn't bring back Upshaw OR KO. I haven't seen anything that tells me they should return unless they're cheap. KO is suffering from an Achilles injury, but that doesn't mean he can simply play sloppy football & commit all kinds of penalties. It's absurd how they play lately. 

[ratedr]

Well Stewart's fumble was reversed, but still.

[The Mom Gene]

Funny how everyone is finding a "good play" or two from ex-players.

[BmoreBird22]

I saw the same thing. Funny how the haters went away when Jimmy was balling and played great in week 1, and also played OK in week 2 despite a mistake against Cooper. He was evidently slow last week, too. I saw it just like you. It was just more evident this week.

No, what was funny is that people were roasting him and then he gets the interception and all of a sudden it's, "We love you and never doubted you!"

That interception showed he still knows how to play the game and he's clearly still got his positioning, but he's just not there with his confidence in his foot

[ratedr]

So if Jimmy will never be the same because of his injury, then why did we sign him long term? 

 

 

I don't believe its the injury. I think is just playing bad period. Mostly because of coaching

Agreed, I don't think its the injury either.

[Static]

I wouldn't let go of Webb or Pitta yet. Why? Webb has actually played better each game, IMO. Pitta is a question mark but who knows what happens when (if) he comes back. I wouldn't bring back Upshaw OR KO. I haven't seen anything that tells me they should return unless they're cheap. KO is suffering from an Achilles injury, but that doesn't mean he can simply play sloppy football & commit all kinds of penalties. It's absurd how they play lately. 

 

Is it more likely that every single player on our roster suddenly got worse? Or that the coaching got worse?

Edited September 28, 2015 by Static

[GrimCoconut]

He's pretty much been replaced. Here. We're still great at stopping the run and BW was great today IMO.

That's not what I meant by replaced. While I vocally questioned him and his effort at times, we need a dog out there on the defense and a veteran one at that. I think we're suffering due to losing Suggs. Suggs was the dog of the defense and he fought and gave us the swagger and attitude we needed. 

[Cillmatic]

I don't think you guys know how serious a Lisfranc injury is, it messes up careers in the modern age. Just A couple decades ago it would be a career ender.

Edited September 28, 2015 by Cillmatic

[The Mom Gene]

I wouldn't let go of Webb or Pitta yet. Why? Webb has actually played better each game, IMO. Pitta is a question mark but who knows what happens when (if) he comes back. I wouldn't bring back Upshaw OR KO. I haven't seen anything that tells me they should return unless they're cheap. KO is suffering from an Achilles injury, but that doesn't mean he can simply play sloppy football & commit all kinds of penalties. It's absurd how they play lately. 

And Pitta is helping to coach our young TE's.  He's very useful right now.

[Tank 92]

I didn't mind him leaving, he did nothing for HOU/NYJ. As far as I'm concerned he retired in 2012.

 

It's just clear that Pees has no idea what to do with the secondary. Guys who were okay elsewhere (Lewis/Arrington) come here and suck. Guys who either stunk here (Stewart) or were okay here (Ihedigbo/Graham) leave and play better elsewhere. We need better DBs but it's clear to me that this isn't entirely personnel related. Reed was never going to last forever, we need a coach who can actually coach.

 

It's not on Pees..........  It's a lack of communication, chemistry and cohesiveness. It's clear these guys just aren't playing well together, Hill and Jimmy included. The question is can they get on the same page and play as a unit. Oh, and it would be nice if they could tackle as well.

 

bye the bye......Both Digs and Graham did just fine here, wish we could have kept them.

[GrimCoconut]

No, what was funny is that people were roasting him and then he gets the interception and all of a sudden it's, "We love you and never doubted you!"

That interception showed he still knows how to play the game and he's clearly still got his positioning, but he's just not there with his confidence in his foot

Yeah, that was comical. I remember that one. I think people take for granted that this is his third game back from a major injury. It takes time and this isn't like an ACL. You have to plant and do EVERYTHING on your foot as a CB. I suppose most people haven't actually played CB or safety, though, so they probably don't understand the importance of the feet. 

[Dr. Kelley]

Yeah I mean, at some point, you have to admit it isn't the players.

Not according to mr. Pees though

I can't wait for his presser this week

[Grapple Raven]

This thread has gone slightly off topic, let's keep the talk to the Ravens vs. the Bengals game please.  If you wish to talk other games, contracts and draft there are other threads for that. Thanks.

[BmoreBird22]

So if Jimmy will never be the same because of his injury, then why did we sign him long term? 

 

 

I don't believe its the injury. I think is just playing bad period. Mostly because of coaching

It's not that he won't ever be the same, but for the early goings of this season, it's going to be a transition for him to get back into football shape

[ravensdfan]

Funny how everyone is finding a "good play" or two from ex-players.

 

It isn't just ex-players playing better than they did here. Arrington & Lewis both played better than they have since coming here. If they played this badly do you really think they would have sought them out & signed them?

[Static]

Not according to mr. Pees though

I can't wait for his presser this week

 

"I'm really disappointed in the players for not executing my perfect game plan"

 

"Adjustments? Nah players just gotta be better. My game plan is flawless" 

 

"A.J Green? Not my fault" 

[jravens13]

Brandon Williams and Steve Smith were the only two bright spots I saw in this game. We miss McPhee almost a much as we miss Suggs. We NEED pass rushers. They are what prevent teams from throwing the ball every down and torching your corners. Shane Ray was taken by Denver right before us, and they have already have Ware and Miller. Look at how their defense has been playing. Look at Buffalo. They have been crushed by injuries in the secondary, yet their defense has played great because their Front 7 gets after the QB.

 

The O-Line also looks incomplete to me. They have been incredibly undisciplined holding backside blocks on running plays not giving our backs a chance.

 

Don't even get me started with the DB's on 3rd down and the scheme we were running. Pees just setting this team up for failure. 

[Tank 92]

No, what was funny is that people were roasting him and then he gets the interception and all of a sudden it's, "We love you and never doubted you!"

That interception showed he still knows how to play the game and he's clearly still got his positioning, but he's just not there with his confidence in his foot

 

 

That was more of a horrible pass by Dalton than any sort of great defensive play.  

[allblackraven]

Didn't know Foot injures caused mental lapses. 

 

 

Don't make excuses for him. He got destroyed because he played like trash. Thats it.

You ever played anything? Any sport? Tried playing not completely healed? It messes up with a head big time.

[ravensdfan]

It's not on Pees..........  It's a lack of communication, chemistry and cohesiveness. It's clear these guys just aren't playing well together, Hill and Jimmy included. The question is can they get on the same page and play as a unit. Oh, and it would be nice if they could tackle as well.

 

bye the bye......Both Digs and Graham did just fine here, wish we could have kept them.

So every year by chance we manage to put together a defensive squad full of talent that simply can't communicate with each other? Because this is not some new issue. This has been every single season once Ray & Ed were gone.

[Tank 92]

No, what was funny is that people were roasting him and then he gets the interception and all of a sudden it's, "We love you and never doubted you!"

That interception showed he still knows how to play the game and he's clearly still got his positioning, but he's just not there with his confidence in his foot

 

 

That was more of a horrible pass by Dalton rather than any sort of great defensive play.  

[BmoreBird22]

He's obviously much better as a SS, and I agree that he doesn't have the range to be the full time single high guy.  I think he has enough to slide back to mix up some coverages while Lewis plays up.  It seems that's more of our full time alignment, though.  I'd rather see Lewis deep, since I don't think he tackles well enough to play closer to the LOS.

I think Lewis does well to at least pursue running plays, but yeah, he misses quite a few tackles, although, I think quite a few are in the open. I'm just more upset that the Ravens sign a true FS and use Lewis in Hill's role

[Ravensfanspls]

Its just more sloppiness even worse then last week. 2 interceptions dropped in first quarter. Tucker missed FG Marlon drops his only pass thrown to him. KO penalty among all the other ten thousand penalties. Never seen a Baltimore Ravens team miss so many tackles in my life. That miss tackle by Mosley on Dalton makes me want to throw up. This team is so undisciplined right now and just looks down right awful. Worse defense Ive seen us have in a long time. Give props to Flacco and Smith this game should of been a blow out.

Edited September 28, 2015 by Ravensfanspls

[Static]

You ever played anything? Any sport? Tried playing not completely healed? It messes up with a head big time.

 

Yes actually. I was an all-state rugby player. I didn't play if I couldn't and when I did I gave it my all even in a knee brace.

 

I'm currently a competitive bodybuilder and I still don't make excuses. 

Edited September 28, 2015 by Static

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah, that was comical. I remember that one. I think people take for granted that this is his third game back from a major injury. It takes time and this isn't like an ACL. You have to plant and do EVERYTHING on your foot as a CB. I suppose most people haven't actually played CB or safety, though, so they probably don't understand the importance of the feet.

Nearly everything at the position ties back to FOOTWORK

[redrum52]

That was more of a horrible pass by Dalton than any sort of great defensive play.

I thought it was good defensive play.

[ratedr]

Dalton has such a buffet of offensive firepower, it makes me sick.

[redrum52]

I think Lewis does well to at least pursue running plays, but yeah, he misses quite a few tackles, although, I think quite a few are in the open. I'm just more upset that the Ravens sign a true FS and use Lewis in Hill's role

Said the same thing. I think they'd be better switching positions. Have hill at FS and Lewis at SS, but what do I know.

[allblackraven]

Yes actually. I was an all-state rugby player. I didn't play if I couldn't and when I did I gave it my all even in a knee brace.

 

I'm currently a competitive bodybuilder and I still don't make excuses. 

So now you're saying Jimmy Smith doesn't give his all?

[Guest]

We can finally drop the "bench Webb for Melvin" talk now. When Melivin was in, I don't think Dalton looked anywhere else. Automatic completion or penalty for a first down. Impossible for any player at any position in any sport to play any worse than he did today. Complete and utter failure on every single play. Unbelievable.

 

What was incredulous, was the commentary that Melvin was going to train up and be the starter, especially after the New England debacle.

 

What gets aggravating is all the "Happy Talk" you have to wade through here regarding average free agents and the expectation they will replace All Pros, which have become scorned for signing elsewhere.

 

Pernell McPhee was a force today.  Ngata isn't playing much due to the passing attack. 

 

Fortunately Big Has Ben is out Thursday, maybe we can eek one out and begin turning this thing around.