The good, bad and ugly vs Bengals

[beanfigger]

The lack of communication on the backend is something that really seems to stand out. Lewis absolutely got burned on Green's 80 yard TD, but you could also tell that he was expecting some help over the top from Hill who was very late getting there. Hill was late a couple of other times as well, and sometimes it looks like miscommunication where help was expected but wasn't there for whatever reason. It just wasn't a good day for the secondary.

There are times when a single high safety shouldn't have to be communicated to about sliding towards the deep routes. He just seemed to be backing straight down the field and watching the QB with zero awareness of where the receivers were going until the ball was in the air.

[Dewy101]

I have a hard time believing that we have the worst secondary in the league. Teams like the Pats and the Steelers are throwing in a bunch of random players and not getting scorched as bad as we are. I'm not sure if it's coaching or the lack of effort, but something needs to be fixed quick.

[Guest]

I didn't mind him leaving, he did nothing for HOU/NYJ. As far as I'm concerned he retired in 2012.

 

It's just clear that Pees has no idea what to do with the secondary. Guys who were okay elsewhere (Lewis/Arrington) come here and suck. Guys who either stunk here (Stewart) or were okay here (Ihedigbo/Graham) leave and play better elsewhere. We need better DBs but it's clear to me that this isn't entirely personnel related. Reed was never going to last forever, we need a coach who can actually coach.

 

Well, this is what you said previously..."Ravens fans harp on "I miss Ray", but it's clear that Ed Reed was the cog that made the defense go. Even when he was washed up his intelligence helped the pass D succeed in some clutch situations despite Pees. Once he left it went downhill."

 

I agree with that post. Once Ed left we have essentially gone into a secondary toilet bowl spiral. It didn't have to go down like that. We treated Ed poorly to allow Bisciotti to make even more money. We didn't allow Ed to mentor up his replacement. We drafted poorly and then signed poorly. 

 

Even as an aging player, defenses had to account for Ed Reed.  But if you realized that before his purge, why didn't our front office?  And why can't that front office understand Flacco's deep rooted need for trust, even after seeing it previously?

Edited September 28, 2015 by Danny D

[The Mom Gene]

Did you understand that before we let him slip off to Houston and the Jets, or has his absence made that clear?

 

But the larger question is, why didn't our management adequately plan for that transition.

Because it's more on the secondary coach...  not the DC.

[GrimCoconut]

Jimmy is slow to recover out there. I'm not sure how that's an excuse. It's a fact. It happened against Cooper & it happened again today against Green. Jimmy usually handles Green, so I'm not sure how he let him get away today. I saw Green just flat out out-run Smith. How could a Lisfranc affect him? Well, you do have to plant your foot and you do, you know, run on your foot. Jimmy had a bad game. Make no mistake about that, but he played great against the Broncos & specifically Thomas. You can't write that off, either.

[Dewy101]

Jimmy suffered that injury 10 months ago. No excuses.

It ended Shawn Alexander's career. Lisfranc injury can have a huge impact on a foot.

[beanfigger]

We can finally drop the "bench Webb for Melvin" talk now. When Melivin was in, I don't think Dalton looked anywhere else. Automatic completion or penalty for a first down. Impossible for any player at any position in any sport to play any worse than he did today. Complete and utter failure on every single play. Unbelievable.

[rmw10]

There are times when a single high safety shouldn't have to be communicated to about sliding towards the deep routes. He just seemed to be backing straight down the field and watching the QB with zero awareness of where the receivers were going until the ball was in the air.

 

It's just weird because Hill has been very good in the first 2 games this year - one of the few bright spots on the defense in week 2.  He just had a really bad game today.

[BmoreBird22]

I think it has more with the scheme... we can't get much of a pass rush and our dbs have to play off the wrs.

You can just see he looks so slow. He's so quick to turn and run because he's just not as quick and it's hurting him on routes over the middle

[The Mom Gene]

I also saw 2 other wrs open that could have got the first. The ball to max was under thrown and max had to slow down and got his feet tangled. Oh well.

Joe was running right and they were behind him to the left. He would have had to turn into traffic...  He threw with his momentum.

[BmoreBird22]

Jimmy suffered that injury 10 months ago. No excuses.

He was out of football for probably around eight months, possibly nine. There's plenty of reason to believe he needs time

[ravensdfan]

I guess I should say that I was only talking about Flacco's performances in Cincy. I haven't recalled the last time he's played decent in Cincy. Seems such a long time ago.

Recently he hasn't played well against Cincy at all, regardless of where the game is held so I was pretty impressed with his 2nd half performance. Better than usual against that team.

 

Bottom line, playoff Joe needs to show up now for this team to have any chance. Pees just isn't the answer on defense.

[BmoreBird22]

It's just weird because Hill has been very good in the first 2 games this year - one of the few bright spots on the defense in week 2.  He just had a really bad game today.

I never believed he had the range to be a FS and it showed, for me, in this game

[GrimCoconut]

You can just see he looks so slow. He's so quick to turn and run because he's just not as quick and it's hurting him on routes over the middle

I saw the same thing. Funny how the haters went away when Jimmy was balling and played great in week 1, and also played OK in week 2 despite a mistake against Cooper. He was evidently slow last week, too. I saw it just like you. It was just more evident this week. 

[The Mom Gene]

It ended Shawn Alexander's career. Lisfranc injury can have a huge impact on a foot.

Some people just don't get that...  injuries can be career changing sometimes.

[beanfigger]

It's just weird because Hill has been very good in the first 2 games this year - one of the few bright spots on the defense in week 2. He just had a really bad game today.

Horrible game. I hope he recovers.

[rmw10]

I never believed he had the range to be a FS and it showed, for me, in this game

 

He's obviously much better as a SS, and I agree that he doesn't have the range to be the full time single high guy.  I think he has enough to slide back to mix up some coverages while Lewis plays up.  It seems that's more of our full time alignment, though.  I'd rather see Lewis deep, since I don't think he tackles well enough to play closer to the LOS.

[ratedr]

Well, this is what you said previously..."Ravens fans harp on "I miss Ray", but it's clear that Ed Reed was the cog that made the defense go. Even when he was washed up his intelligence helped the pass D succeed in some clutch situations despite Pees. Once he left it went downhill."

 

I agree with that post. Once Ed left we have essentially gone into a secondary toilet bowl spiral. It didn't have to go down like that. We treated Ed poorly to allow Bisciotti to make even more money. We didn't allow Ed to mentor up his replacement. We drafted poorly and then signed poorly. 

 

Even as an aging player, defenses had to account for Ed Reed.  But if you realized that before his purge, why didn't our front office?  And why can't that front office understand Flacco's deep rooted need for trust, even after seeing it previously?

Eh I'm not agreeing with this. Reed was never going to play for much longer (and in the end, he only played an extra year, and he was so poor that Houston cut him midseason). As for mentoring a replacement, he can mentor whoever he wants, it won't make them Ed Reed. If I recall correctly he mentored Christian Thompson quite a bit. Is he even in the league anymore?

[redrum52]

Gotta think Jimmy really isn't 100% from his Lisfranc, not that he'd ever let onto that

I don't think so either. I've never seen him burned like this before.

[Dewy101]

Our first 2 round picks haven't contributed much at all to our team this season. Perrimans hurt and Williams seems slow to understand the game.

[ratedr]

I wish we still had Teryl Austin. Man.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

So here's how this works. Next season we could open up roughly 9 million by cutting Pitta, Webb, and Forsett. Since Forsett is a product of a good oline, we shouldn't miss him to much. Pitta's career is probably over, and Webb isn't the same. So I don't think the cap is as bad as we're making it out to be. 

 

That's looking to the future though. From there we can probably resign Yanda to a good deal. Tucker and Upshaw will come for cheap. As should Ryan Jensen and Melvin. Depth never hurts

[The Mom Gene]

I don't know if that's on the secondary coach or the players.The Ravens secondary at coaching stand point is young and inexperienced.

Yes...

[Cillmatic]

Our first 2 round picks haven't contributed much at all to our team this season. Perrimans hurt and Williams seems slow to understand the game.

most rookie tight ends suck year 1. Gillmor didn't click until the end of last season. Edited September 28, 2015 by Cillmatic

[The Mom Gene]

And Darian Stewart just forced a fumble for the Broncos. Can't make this stuff up!

He wasn't awful last year, we were just decimated.

[Dewy101]

most rookie tight ends suck year 1. Gillmor didn't click until the end of last season.

True but Boyles had a bigger impact than Williams although not by much.

[Cillmatic]

Yeah, I have to admit, it would've been great having the big guy out there these past two games. I was OK with letting him go due to it being his last year and I felt he could be replaced, but we could've used him on the DL.

He's pretty much been replaced. Here. We're still great at stopping the run and BW was great today IMO.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Flacco will still need to restructure and there may be a 10 million cap increase

Maybe. I don't we're in deep next year like everyone thinks. We'll get a few compensatory picks and have a lot of depth come in. A mock will come later. 

I don't think the season is over either. This Bengals team is really good and we put up a good fight. No shame in losing a good game. 

[ratedr]

Our first 2 round picks haven't contributed much at all to our team this season. Perrimans hurt and Williams seems slow to understand the game.

Williams is basically a toddler in NFL years, never expected much from him out of the gate.

 

Perriman is a disappointment though.

[Static]

So if Jimmy will never be the same because of his injury, then why did we sign him long term? 

 

 

I don't believe its the injury. I think is just playing bad period. Mostly because of coaching

Edited September 28, 2015 by Static