[News] Dean Pees: Defense Isn't Defined By One Game

[Dr. Kelley]

I know Dean Pees is going to get the final blame but the coaches under him are on the hot sheet. Drew Wilkins,Eugene Shen,Eugene Shen,Matt Weiss,Ted Monachino,Don Martindale,Chris Hewitt,Clarence Brooks,Mike Macdonald .

As well they should be. Martindale, manachino, and brooks are probably safe if I had to guess though.

[Raven'evermore]

 Pees is feeling the pressure. Ozzie might be getting ready to make a move, but for who?

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

We also had a guy by the name of Ray Lewis. Then add Ed Reed. I don't think its fair to give all credit to our D coordinators. As far as Im concerened it was a combination of good D.Coordinators with STELLAR defensive players.

Greg Mattison had 52, 20, 55, 21, Pollard, and others. He chose Rush 3 Prevent Zone, bend but not break. No longer in NFL. Pagano brought back Aggressive D, now a HC.

Pees would have put 20 and 52 in a Zone too.

There is a bigger problem here. Does Pees know how to effectively use talent? And is this the only Defense he knows how to run? Because if it is, he will be gone like Mattison, and if its Harbaugh championing this Pathetic Zone D philosophy, the he better start learning a better scheme to coach.

[bmore_kman]

I think that Most fans are not giving up, like you suggest. Yeah, there are some, like the ones that are already talking about how we're going to get a low draft choice. That certainly suggests that they are giving up. But, I think that most fans are just as loyal as you are. If they didn't love their Ravens, they wouldn't be on here making suggestions about what they think could turn things around and help the team improve. Say what you want, but the defense certainly played like it had given up against Oakland, with such uninspiring, lackadaisical, going through the motions type play. But that was only one game. Still, to me, not acceptable. Every time you step on the field you should give your best effort. But, the point I want to make is that I truly believe that Most fans feel exactly like you. As you put it, they're in it for the long haul, win, lose, or draw. I can tell you this for sure, because I, at least, know myself. I'm a Ravens fan for life NO MATTER WHAT! I suspect the great majority on here feel the same way.

Although I get your point, fans making suggestions on how to do a job none of us is remotely qualified for always amuses me...

Edited September 25, 2015 by bmore_kman

[Crusader]

The last two years we been seeing this defense collapsing in the late quarters. It should have been a wake up call with New England but for some reason their focus was on Ngata and Jones. To say these guys are not doing good on other teams is unfair. It has to be the right system.

[balfan23]

The last two years we been seeing this defense collapsing in the late quarters. It should have been a wake up call with New England but for some reason their focus was on Ngata and Jones. To say these guys are not doing good on other teams is unfair. It has to be the right system.

What might also be seen as unfair is to judge Pees by the defense collapsing in NE. I'm not sure what DC would have been able to get that D to perform, given who we had on the field in the secondary. 

[The Greek]

leaders step up and make plays when it matters and it grabs the attention of the rest of the team. who are the leaders of this defense? who will huddle this defense and give a speech that will fire them up? i would like to see some of the younger guys like mosley hill jimmy and williams take on that role. when the raiders ran up and down the field i didnt see that one player huddle the team and calm them down. lets see who steps up.

[Fullblack_RAVEN]

Pees sounded super combative in his presser yesterday. I assume he didn't like harbaugh calling out the coaching staff in combination w/ the players for last wk's performance. He decided to put the blame on the players instead. He said they didn't tackle well enough (which is true) and didn't play w/ energy (which is NOT true).

 

I'm not a coach. I'm just a fan like the rest of you. However, what i saw were a bunch of confused players who weren't put in the best position to succeed. How can you expect any corner to effectively tackle when he's lined up 10 yards away from his assignment every play? Think about it... the raiders threw a bunch of short passes and screens last sunday. The corners were lined up as deep as & in some cases deeper than the safeties for the majority of the game. The coaching staff expected them to close on the ball in vast space and tackle. Corners aren't usually good at that since they are groomed to play bump & run coverage from the beginning of their development. Webb and smith were basically all purpose safeties versus the raiders w/o safety skills. I don't see how putting them in that position put them in the best position to succeed at all.

 

Allowing carr's receiving targets to be open instantly w/ the possibility of very good YAC allowed carr to consistently get the ball out quickly. That affected the defensive line. How could the line put pressure on a qb when said qb was able to get the ball out lightning fast w/ positive gains after the catch? It also affected the linebackers because calling up blitzes left the ravens weak in the tackling department. Thus, they were needed in the middle to tackle. Playing the corners 10 yards off the wr's cascaded into a bunch of problems across the entire defense.

 

There are only 2 ways this scheme gets fixed. Either pees abandons his bend but don't break scheme & goes w/ a more aggressive take it to em scheme or the ravens find someone else to coach a more aggressive one. Pees is too old and stuck in his ways to abandon this scheme. Thus, harbaugh will have to fire him. IDK what it'll take to get him out but it's the only recourse at this point. I expect pees to bring a more aggressive scheme to cincy (which he usually does after the defense lays an egg). I also expect him to go back to his bend but don't break prevent D ways when the defense settles down, continuing this cycle. 

Edited September 26, 2015 by Fullblack_RAVEN

[Raven'evermore]

Pees sounded super combative in his presser yesterday. I assume he didn't like harbaugh calling out the coaching staff in combination w/ the players for last wk's performance. He decided to put the blame on the players instead. He said they didn't tackle well enough (which is true) and weren't playing w/ energy (which is NOT true).

 

I'm not a coach. I'm just a fan like the rest of you. However, what i saw were a bunch of confused players who weren't put in the best positions to succeed. How can you expect any corner to effectively tackle when he's lined up 10 yards away from his assignment every play? Think about it... the raiders threw a bunch of short passes and screens last sunday. The corners were lined up as deep as or even deeper than the safeties nearly every down. Thus, the coaching staff expected them to close on the ball in vast space and tackle. Corners aren't usually good at that since they are groomed to play bump & run coverage the minute they learn the position. Webb and smith were basically all purpose safeties versus the raiders w/o safety skills. I don't see how putting them in that position put them in the best position to succeed at all.

 

Allowing carr's receiving targets to be open instantly w/ the possibility of very good YAC after the play allowed carr to consistently get the ball out fast. That affected the defensive line. How could the line put pressure on the qb when the qb got the ball out fast w/ great returns every down? It also affected the linebackers because calling up blitzes left the ravens weak in the tackling department. Thus, they were needed in the middle to tackle. Playing the corners 10 yards off the wr's cascaded into a bunch of problems we've all seen before.

 

There are only 2 ways this scheme gets fixed. Either pees abandons his bend but don't break scheme & goes w/ a more aggressive take it to em scheme or the ravens find someone else that can coach it. Pees is too old and stuck in his ways to abandon this scheme. Thus, harbaugh will have to fire him. IDK what it'll take to get him out but it's the only recourse at this point. I expect pees to bring a more aggressive scheme to cincy (which he usually does after the defense lays an egg). I also expect him to go back to his bend but don't break prevent D ways when the defense performs at an acceptable level.

Great post. 

Also, I think Pees is gone before the season's half done. JMO.

[FloridalovesRavens]

It's really funny as soon as some games are lost its "get rid of the coach". Sometimes stuff happens. Defense was great in Denver and not so great in Oakland. It's time to be great again. Go Ravens.

[Fullblack_RAVEN]

Great post. 

Also, I think Pees is gone before the season's half done. JMO.

Thanks. Hopefully you're right. It seems like we have all had it w/ his soft as silly putty scheme. It's time for the ravens to get back to their roots and play aggressive football again.

[JayTheGreat]

Here is how i see it...

Dean Pees could have cared less when Suggs got hurt because it meant one last veteran from the "RayLewisEra" to combat with when it came down to the defense scheme. Its the same reason why Ed was cut (still had alot of football left)

Same reason why Haloti is gone now, and the same reason why they cut Pollard. These players controlled the locker room and other younger players listened to them. When Pees would call these dumb assignments Ray and those guys would audible it into what they knew worked for them. These young players now are forced to play within the scheme because they have no experience or True leaders to follow on defense. Divide & conquer to take back control of the locker room.

In his presser discussing the lost of Suggs after the Denver game Dean said something like "U feel bad because u see a player like that work so hard in the offseason, i feel like he came in shape and ready to learn OUR DEFENSE".

PAUSE FOR A MOMENT.

U mean to tell me after the 4/5 seasons you've been in Baltimore Suggs is just now fully adopting your scheme? Why is that?. Thats because the scheme is TRASH!! It puts nobody in position to be great and EVERYBODY KNOWS IT.

PrimeExample: Name ONE play Darian Stewart made for us last year...i'll wait...EXACTLY we all felt like he was a waist of freeagency move. BUT THEN!!! He goes to Denver and closes the game out on us. Its because whatever defense he is in now allowed him to play free and just use his football instincts. He was a good safety who could have made way more plays if we had a better coordinator.

He's tearing apart the very fabric of who we are as a defense.

SOMEONE TELL ME EXACTLY WHEN WE ACCEPTED THIS "BendButDontBreak" mentality???

That is a losing mentality to me & thats not RAVENS FOOTBALL. We need to get back to the "YOU GETS NOTHING!!!" Mentality. Young quarterbacks would completely FEAR playing the Ravens. Now they come into the game with such high confidence knowing they can make plays against us. It sickens me. We were so tough amh & now were just VANILLA.

Especially with suggs out.

HOW CAN U SAY "I didnt bring a pass rush because i didnt think they would get there" ... U DIDNT EVEN TRY BRO!!

Im gonna say it until it happens...PEES HAS TO GO.

IF YOUR NOT GONNA RESPECT THE CULTURE THEN YOUR A WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHING

U cant possibly think your calling RAVENS STYLE DEFENSE.

[gametime]

I agree to an extent with you Jaythe great.,,,,,we were an attacking ,we will impose our will on you , make you fear us Defense....this bend don't break stuff is for the birds, even when we do pressure and its working and we are lights out.....we get a lead and let off the gas......why stop whats working.....keep your foot on the pedal and crush them.....smh