[News] What You Missed vs. Raiders

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Closer look at Hill’s holding call. Mosley nearly brought down Carr before touchdown. Yanda on screen?

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[fusuymada]

Flacco had a good day but he has been touted as the clutch guy who can win games when it is important. However, he is starting to get a different rep. The guy who either underthrows or overthrows all his open receivers when it counts. Denver and Oakland alike, a little further to Gilmore and the Broncos game is a win, a little shorter to Steve Smith in the Raiders game and its a win. A little longer on the underthrown Aiken throw and its a touchdown. Joe needs to be able to put the critical passes on the number. If Joe wants the big bucks that qb's get, then he needs to make the throws that those qb's make. By year 8 it is time to step up and lead and be productive, not sit in an interview and when someone asks who will lead with Suggs down and Joe replys, "not me." We need a QB who can lead and can make the plays.

[January J]

Didn't get to watch the game so this is the first time I've gotten to see the throw to SSS. Looks pretty darn close. Too bad it wasn't ruled a touchdown on the feild bc I also believe it would have stood. Figures we didn't get the call though.

[January J]

Flacco had a good day but he has been touted as the clutch guy who can win games when it is important. However, he is starting to get a different rep. The guy who either underthrows or overthrows all his open receivers when it counts. Denver and Oakland alike, a little further to Gilmore and the Broncos game is a win, a little shorter to Steve Smith in the Raiders game and its a win. A little longer on the underthrown Aiken throw and its a touchdown. Joe needs to be able to put the critical passes on the number. If Joe wants the big bucks that qb's get, then he needs to make the throws that those qb's make. By year 8 it is time to step up and lead and be productive, not sit in an interview and when someone asks who will lead with Suggs down and Joe replys, "not me." We need a QB who can lead and can make the plays.

he didn't say he wouldn't lead, he said he wouldn't be the "hype man"

Obviously that's just not him and we can't expect him to be somethin he's not. That said I hope he does step up and start to take charge on the feild by audibling more and putting more mustard on his throws.

[JoeyFlex5]

to be honest... hill is wrong, legitimate penalty, maybe not holding but it is 100% illegal contact, he didnt already hold the inside, and the receiver didnt initiate contact, you can see hill sidestep into his path and pull back to prepare for a jam to the chest, which he did, at about 10 yards, which is double the allotted yardage for contact...

and man, why did we run the same play the patriots did in the playoffs, wasnt it made illegal this offseason? and all the moaning and groaning and calling the pats cheaters, and then we turn around and do the same thing... that upsets me.

[MadStorkSociety]

Looking at the film, no-one was fooled into thinking Yanda was gonna catch a pass.

[balfan23]

Whether correct or not, it was obvious that the flag that came into the picture during Hill's pick was going to be on the defense ... so I knew not to get excited because it was coming back.

 

Then when I saw he fumbled the ball, I was thinking ... dude, if that were a clean pick and you didn't just go to the ground ... but instead you lose the ball and give it back? OMG ... I just can't believe that guys let themselves get so excited that they don't know the situation. That would have been 10 times more devastating than the penalty itself.

[January J]

Whether correct or not, it was obvious that the flag that came into the picture during Hill's pick was going to be on the defense ... so I knew not to get excited because it was coming back.

Then when I saw he fumbled the ball, I was thinking ... dude, if that were a clean pick and you didn't just go to the ground ... but instead you lose the ball and give it back? OMG ... I just can't believe that guys let themselves get so excited that they don't know the situation. That would have been 10 times more devastating than the penalty itself.

exactly. We are just not playing smart football. We have the talent , just need to execute, eliminate the bonehead mistakes and have better playcalling ( on both sides of the ball)

[trevorsteadman]

Colts and Seahawks are 0-2 as well. Enough said. There is a reason a NFL season is 16 games, not two games.

[Crusader]

Six defenders on four yea that would be hard to get to the QB. That was pass interference and Joe did not even set up to throw that ball. Number 72 needs to open his eyes when he plays.

[Crusader]

Colts and Seahawks are 0-2 as well. Enough said. There is a reason a NFL season is 16 games, not two games.

Looks like New England will have another cake walk to another SB.

[trevorsteadman]

Looks like New England will have another cake walk to another SB.

Not what I am saying. New England started off 2-2 last season and a lot of people were saying how washed up they were and how much they were struggling. They went on to win a super bowl. There is 16 games in a season. The year the Ravens last won the super bowl they lost 3 of last 4 and they went on to win the super bowl. Good teams have bad stretches in their schedule. It is how they bounce back is what makes them good from a top 10 draft picking team.

[EliteRavens]

If our defense plays like they did against the Broncos and the offense puts up points we can definitely be a dangerous team and make the playoffs! Especially with Breshad and Monroe coming back healthy. We just need to fix some things and I think the coaches will get it done! Stay Positive RavensNation!

[RavensBaltimore]

to be honest... hill is wrong, legitimate penalty, maybe not holding but it is 100% illegal contact, he didnt already hold the inside, and the receiver didnt initiate contact, you can see hill sidestep into his path and pull back to prepare for a jam to the chest, which he did, at about 10 yards, which is double the allotted yardage for contact... and man, why did we run the same play the patriots did in the playoffs, wasnt it made illegal this offseason? and all the moaning and groaning and calling the pats cheaters, and then we turn around and do the same thing... that upsets me.

First of all, the defender is allowed to step into the receivers' path as long as he is going for the ball or getting himself in position to make a play on the ball, which he was. The defender has just as much right to the path to the ball as the receiver.

 

We didn't run the same play as the Patriots. They had WRs line up on the outside as ineligible, which is now illegal. There is nothing illegal about what the Ravens did.

[geaux_ravens]

Stay Focused! / Play Hard...Cawwwwwwww

[Fullblack_RAVEN]

At first, i thought will hill was just salty. However, after looking at it again, he has a solid case. Go back to wk 1 and look at the lead up to aqib talib's pick6 on flacco. It was almost identical to what happened here. Both guys had receiving targets run at them and initiate contact. Instead of letting the wr''s pass, they shot inside instead and got the pick w/ both qb's anticipating that their receiving options would be there. If will hill's pick is PI, so is talib's (or talib's could be deemed as holding before the throw).

 

What distinguishes this play from the talib one? I dunno. I'm not hung up on it, though. I'm more angry at dean pees still getting a pass from the ravens despite his insanely soft defensive scheme.  Will hill is one of the best safeties in the entire league yet is being limited by one of his own coaches. Pees is out here drawing up 3 man rushes on 3rd down combined with having his corners play 10 yards off their assignments. How about letting the wr's press w/ over the top safety help  & a blitz to boot on obvious passing downs? Oh yeah, the ravens did that once and will hill got a pick! Miracle, right?

Edited September 22, 2015 by Fullblack_RAVEN

[JoeyFlex5]

First of all, the defender is allowed to step into the receivers' path as long as he is going for the ball or getting himself in position to make a play on the ball, which he was. The defender has just as much right to the path to the ball as the receiver.

 

We didn't run the same play as the Patriots. They had WRs line up on the outside as ineligible, which is now illegal. There is nothing illegal about what the Ravens did.

the defender has a right to the ball, but not if it means shoving a receiver backwards 10+ yards upfield, that is illegal contact and you will never be able to argue otherwise. hill HAD the inside, sidestepped, and intentionally got in the receivers path and then shoved him, its illegal contact, stop trying to sugarcoat it with rules that dont even apply. 

 

and as for the 2nd part, you sound like a patriots fan right now, picking apart something and pointing out miniscule details that make it slightly different. i wasnt actually calling our play illegal, i pointed out the irony in our coaching staff crying about the patriots TE lining up at LT and catching a pass, dont kid yourself, the whole "ineligible" wr on the opposite side of the field had very little to do with it, we got outsmarted, our coaches cried about it, then turned around and did it 2 games later.

Edited September 22, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[jravens13]

Forsett needs more snaps. He is dynamic, unlike Talifarro who is just good at moving the pile and short yardage. Remember who led the league in YPC last year? Oh yeah, he can pass block, and catch the ball out of the backfield too.

[salamander]

The thing I missed most vs. the Raiders was a WIN.

Edited September 22, 2015 by salamander

[Dorota]

Ifs and almosts don't count. What's more, it's painful and useless to dwell on them. I appreciate pointing out the finer points of the game, maybe something to look out for in the future, but the ifs and almosts don't help. Moving on. Bengals next! As long as the almosts turn into successes, we'll be fine.

[January J]

Looks like New England will have another cake walk to another SB.

not if we somehow make it to the playoffs. They will be prayin for us not to make it bc we are the one team they don't wanna see.

[FlaccosRavens]

Ravens Nation for life!!! Truly mean that. When we win the next 6 games straight (and we will) I wonder how many "supposed" Ravens fans are gonna jump back onto the bandwagon. Smh, and some you call yourselves fan, some nerve.

[Flamengo1265]

If the objective of this article was to point out that there is a fine line between W's and L's in the NFL.....then, mission accomplished.

[BmoreB]

The Will Hill play is the epitome of what's known as, a Ticky Tack Call !!! lol

[JoeyFlex5]

Ravens Nation for life!!! Truly mean that. When we win the next 6 games straight (and we will) I wonder how many "supposed" Ravens fans are gonna jump back onto the bandwagon. Smh, and some you call yourselves fan, some nerve.

nobody is jumping off of any bandwagon, many of the posters here are and never were on any bandwagon, we are real ravens who are rightfully frustrated with our team, and there will be no jumping even if the team goes 0-16. discussing what the team is doing wrong is "jumping off the bandwagon" and you are a some sacred being because you delusionally think the team is flawless? get over yourself

Edited September 22, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[bmorefan444]

Well that was kinda depressing.

[WordProphet]

This is just 2 games lost and we do have 14 more to play but the winning has to start now, and the next few games coming up are going to be hard ones, divisional games which mean a whole lot. So lets keep the penalties and mistakes down and win some, I know we can do it, GO RAVENS!!!

[LunarRover]

Yanda being out there on a Wr-look was pretty great but Id like to a lot more of Forsett getting throws in the flats comin out the backfield, along with the big Tes setting blocks. I thought i remembered hearing that The QB Whisperer was so good at utilizing the Rbs, esp in the passing game. Our offense to me looks like C.Cameron is calling plays. the lack of effective short slants and hooks on plays is also bothesome. Does anyone else see that its like Flacco is throwing a ton of lob passes in the redzone? He never seems to get to use his cannon for power passes. Its always a soft fade, with a our smallest wr trying to get after it. i find it hard to believe that anyone is scared of this offense. perhaps perrimans return will yield some more creativity. they must have limitiations on the playbook with a serious lack of separation and speed on the edges

[n#7]

That call against Hill was specious, to say the least. Just watching the clip it could have gone either way as the WR ran into him seemingly causing incidental contact.However, the way the D played all game one felt that Murphy's law would prevail for the Ravens.

[salamander]

What Harbs and his staff missed early in the game was a long completion to SSS on the sidelines (not the endzone pass later in the game) that was ruled an incompletion. Both feet were clearly in bounds and SSS maintained possession. Perfect opportunity to throw the challenge flag but Harbs let it go. No ifs ands or buts on the replay that is was a completion. Don't our guys have replay ability or at least have the ablity to look at the telecast we see? Plenty of time to have reviewed and thrown the red flag. Anyone else surprised that we didn't throw the flag? I was stunned because I had no doubt we would win the challenge and it was a huge play, easily discernable and we cannot afford to squander crystal clear opportunities like this in the future.

Edited September 22, 2015 by salamander