Ray on the Sidelines?

[Tru11]

Nope but the team had losing seasons with and without him, the aura of lewis is bigger than the player. I don't idolize sports figures and I believe the sum of a team is greater than a single man.

 

who said we did not have any losing seasons with ray lewis?

 

my point was that the fact that we had those losing seasons had little to do with him.

 

pretty much every season he played for us he was among the best if not the best player on the field.

 

his resume speaks for itself.

 

i cant see how anyone can blame a losing season on him lol

[berad]

who said we did not have any losing seasons with ray lewis?

 

my point was that the fact that we had those losing seasons had little to do with him.

 

pretty much every season he played for us he was among the best if not the best player on the field.

 

his resume speaks for itself.

 

i cant see how anyone can blame a losing season on him lol

Who's blaming a losing season on him? Straw Man fallacy to put that line of thinking out there.

[Militant X 1]

Some of you cats in here blow simple things way out of proportion.  To me, when people say that they need Ray Lewis to be on the sidelines coaching or in the lockeroom to inspire this team nothing is wrong with that..absolutely nothing!  I couldn't care less that these guys are pros and that they "shouldn't" need that.  Get out of here with that nonense!  Everyone needs motivation in their lives at some point!  For 17 seasons we...Ravens fans could ALWAYS count on 1 specific player to show up game after game after game BECAUSE of his heart and passion for it...rain, sleet, snow or shine, winning or losing!  That was Ray Lewis!

 

Ray was more than many of your so-called "rah-rah" guy!  He was more than just a "hype" man or "motivator" perse.  All of that stuff that we saw from him was him!  He was a "player-coach"....he ate, slept and breathed Ravens football!  It oozed through his pores and was contagious and it made others want to elevate their own gameplay.  No one on this present team is remotely close to what we've witnessed from him for 17 years!  No one!  This cat was so influential that his mere mention of his retiring caused the entire team to not only rally for themselves to win the SB but to send heir "GENERAL" off right.  Who else on this roster has that type of command?  Huh?  No one!  So, when people say that we need Ray on the sidelines or as a coach they want his spirit and influence to rub off on our present roster of players.  And again, to me...there is nothing wrong with that!

 

Flame on Ray Lewis....Flame on brah!

Edited September 22, 2015 by Militant X 1

[Tru11]

Who's blaming a losing season on him? Straw Man fallacy to put that line of thinking out there.

 

how about you read the post i replied to for the first time in this thread?

 

pretty sure that person was linking losing seasons to ray lewis in which i respond in saying that he was not by any chance the reason we had losing seasons.

 

its only 2 pages of post so im really wondering how you could have missed it unless you have some personal vendetta against me

 

Quite frankly its hilarious how someone can downright link a losing season ( team accomplishment) and a defense getting shredded(unit accomplsihment) to an individual player.

 

Ray was pretty much an pro bowl(when it meant something) and all pro for most of his career.

When he was on the field he pretty much preformed at a HOF level and thus we can go back and conclude that you wont find many games where you can pin a loss on his shoulders.

[Tru11]

Some of you cats in here blow simple things way out of proportion.  To me, when people say that they need Ray Lewis to be on the sidelines coaching or in the lockeroom to inspire this team nothing is wrong with that..absolutely nothing!  I couldn't care less that these guys are pros and that they "shouldn't" need that.  Get out of here with that nonense!  Everyone needs motivation in their lives at some point!  For 17 seasons we...Ravens fans could ALWAYS count on 1 specific player to show up game after game after game BECAUSE of his heart and passion for it...rain, sleet, snow or shine, winning or losing!  That was Ray Lewis!

 

Ray was more than many of your so-called "rah-rah" guy!  He was more than just a "hype" man or "motivator" perse.  All of that stuff that we saw from him was him!  He was a "player-coach"....he ate, slept and breathed Ravens football!  It oozed through his pores and was contagious and it made others want to elevate their own gameplay.  No one on this present team is remotely close to what we've witnessed from him for 17 years!  No one!  This cat was so influential that his mere mention of his retiring caused the entire team to not only rally for themselves to win the SB but to send heir "GENERAL" off right.  Who else on this roster has that type of command?  Huh?  No one!  So, when people say that we need Ray on the sidelines or as a coach they want his spirit and influence to rub off on our present roster of players.  And again, to me...there is nothing wrong with that!

 

Flame on Ray Lewis....Flame on brah!

 

man some of these fans have no respect for him at all.

 

all they remember is the speeches and brush it off and not important but totally forget that on the field  he was the best player most of the time making plays and putting everyone in the right position.

 

the way he prepared and studied an opponent for a game was what made him great.

 

seriously i dont get why they try to diminish what the man archieved lol.

[usmccharles]

Exactly. Him or Ed Reed can't make a person be instinctive and know where to be based off of an ever evolving play.

This is one of the reasons some of the greatest players in sports would make terrible coachs ie Ray, Michael Jordan, Reed just to name a few.  When your so gifted and things just come naturally to you, its hard to teach that to another person.  You can teach someone how to watch film, or certain situations but you cant teach instinct and being a ball hawk.  That being said, im sure Ray would be a good coach just for the mere fact of the way he can break down film and learn tendencies. 

[jazz1988]

Some of you cats in here blow simple things way out of proportion.  To me, when people say that they need Ray Lewis to be on the sidelines coaching or in the lockeroom to inspire this team nothing is wrong with that..absolutely nothing!  I couldn't care less that these guys are pros and that they "shouldn't" need that.  Get out of here with that nonense!  Everyone needs motivation in their lives at some point!  For 17 seasons we...Ravens fans could ALWAYS count on 1 specific player to show up game after game after game BECAUSE of his heart and passion for it...rain, sleet, snow or shine, winning or losing!  That was Ray Lewis!

 

Ray was more than many of your so-called "rah-rah" guy!  He was more than just a "hype" man or "motivator" perse.  All of that stuff that we saw from him was him!  He was a "player-coach"....he ate, slept and breathed Ravens football!  It oozed through his pores and was contagious and it made others want to elevate their own gameplay.  No one on this present team is remotely close to what we've witnessed from him for 17 years!  No one!  This cat was so influential that his mere mention of his retiring caused the entire team to not only rally for themselves to win the SB but to send heir "GENERAL" off right.  Who else on this roster has that type of command?  Huh?  No one!  So, when people say that we need Ray on the sidelines or as a coach they want his spirit and influence to rub off on our present roster of players.  And again, to me...there is nothing wrong with that!

 

Flame on Ray Lewis....Flame on brah!

 

There's not alot Ray Lewis's on any team to be honest. Lewis just a one of a kind type player but The Ravens right now are in new generation. Sometimes it just gets tiresome to constantly hear fans say we need Ray Lewis  and I understand the reason but this is a young/new generation of defense.  There may not ever be a  Ray Lewis ever again on our team but that doesn't mean a  star/leader won't be born and etc. Rome wasn't built in a day it's quite obvious The Ravens defense is going through  a growing phase with all the youth and etc on the team.

[jazz1988]

If you need motivation to play better, are you even good? 

 

Everybody need motivation  sometimes especially for those that don't have a job that concerns being on a  football field. I study business management in college and in my studies it's mention plenty of times how important it is for the manager to help keep  their employees encouraged. The reason for this is on the work field it can be a long day and sometimes the challenges of that day can take a  toll on you but when you have  manager that's willing to keep the employee/team inspired it helps alot.

 

Honestly sometimes just another employee willing to do that can help as well  but  imagine what these players on football field go through when they playing. They put in so much hard work from exercising, studying film,  playing through pain and etc  so I can imagine how much beneficial it can be at times when there's that one or more player on the team willing to be a inspiration. 

Edited September 23, 2015 by jazz1988

[ratedr]

How has any team in this league managed to win without a Ray Lewis? Because apparently the Ravens need him like air. Lol.

[berad]

how about you read the post i replied to for the first time in this thread?

 

pretty sure that person was linking losing seasons to ray lewis in which i respond in saying that he was not by any chance the reason we had losing seasons.

 

its only 2 pages of post so im really wondering how you could have missed it unless you have some personal vendetta against me

 

Quite frankly its hilarious how someone can downright link a losing season ( team accomplishment) and a defense getting shredded(unit accomplsihment) to an individual player.

 

Ray was pretty much an pro bowl(when it meant something) and all pro for most of his career.

When he was on the field he pretty much preformed at a HOF level and thus we can go back and conclude that you wont find many games where you can pin a loss on his shoulders.

 

This is all Straw Man again. Implying 'personal vendettas' undermines any kind of reasonable conversation. It's already been explained. Ray Lewis is an obviously great player but he is not a wizard.

[rmcjacket23]

Can we get Ray Lewis to work the Ravens bench during our next game against the Bengals?  I know if he were there, he would fire up our team.  No doubt, his presence would be like having a 12th man on the field.

If ANY team needs a retired player to roam the sidelines to fire up a team, regardless of who the player is or what he's done for the franchise/team, the team is garbage and isn't going anywhere.

 

Attempting to solve a lack of leadership (which is what we are REALLY talking about here) by bringing back somebody from the past who isn't even actually playing doesn't even remotely come close to solving that problem.

 

Like putting a band-aid on a broken bone.

Edited September 23, 2015 by rmcjacket23

[Tru11]

This is all Straw Man again. Implying 'personal vendettas' undermines any kind of reasonable conversation. It's already been explained. Ray Lewis is an obviously great player but he is not a wizard.

 

nobody said he was a wizard or implied he was one.

 

my point was that he was not the reason we had losing seasons.

 

apperently you either feel he is to blame for us having such seasons or you infact have a vendetta cause you completly fail to grasp what the discussion is about and still decide to offer an opinion that has nothing to do with what i said.

 

again im wondering if you infact have read the post i first replied to, cause in that post the person who wrote it put in a direct link between lewis as a player and us having losing seasons, which only can be implied that lewis had at least some part of the blame of us having losing seasons.

 

again please do explain how a team goal falls on the shoulders of 1 individual players.

 

its as dumb as people claiming its flacco fault we missed the play offs in 2013 ....

[redlobster]

how about you read the post i replied to for the first time in this thread?

 

pretty sure that person was linking losing seasons to ray lewis in which i respond in saying that he was not by any chance the reason we had losing seasons.

 

its only 2 pages of post so im really wondering how you could have missed it unless you have some personal vendetta against me

 

Quite frankly its hilarious how someone can downright link a losing season ( team accomplishment) and a defense getting shredded(unit accomplsihment) to an individual player.

 

Ray was pretty much an pro bowl(when it meant something) and all pro for most of his career.

When he was on the field he pretty much preformed at a HOF level and thus we can go back and conclude that you wont find many games where you can pin a loss on his shoulders.

 

I never linked a losing season to ray lewis specifically, I said the team has had losing seasons with him suiting up  :

 

"Nope but the team had losing seasons with and without him, the aura of lewis is bigger than the player. I don't idolize sports figures and I believe the sum of a team is greater than a single man."

 

The last 3 years he was playing in Baltimore he was average at best and the 2012 ravens won the superbowl in-spite of him not because of him.

[redlobster]

who said we did not have any losing seasons with ray lewis?

 

my point was that the fact that we had those losing seasons had little to do with him.

 

pretty much every season he played for us he was among the best if not the best player on the field.

 

his resume speaks for itself.

 

i cant see how anyone can blame a losing season on him lol

 

I would argue this point strongly, suggs, reed, and ngata all overtook him depending on the year..

Edited September 23, 2015 by redlobster

[berad]

nobody said he was a wizard or implied he was one.

 

my point was that he was not the reason we had losing seasons.

 

apperently you either feel he is to blame for us having such seasons or you infact have a vendetta cause you completly fail to grasp what the discussion is about and still decide to offer an opinion that has nothing to do with what i said.

 

again im wondering if you infact have read the post i first replied to, cause in that post the person who wrote it put in a direct link between lewis as a player and us having losing seasons, which only can be implied that lewis had at least some part of the blame of us having losing seasons.

 

again please do explain how a team goal falls on the shoulders of 1 individual players.

 

its as dumb as people claiming its flacco fault we missed the play offs in 2013 ....

 

He's explained himself a couple of times. If you want to be technical, every player as part of a team has some responsibility for the wins/losses of the team. But again, straw man fallacies because no one 'blames losing seasons' on Ray.

[Tru11]

I never linked a losing season to ray lewis specifically, I said the team has had losing seasons with him suiting up  :

 

"Nope but the team had losing seasons with and without him, the aura of lewis is bigger than the player. I don't idolize sports figures and I believe the sum of a team is greater than a single man."

 

The last 3 years he was playing in Baltimore he was average at best and the 2012 ravens won the superbowl in-spite of him not because of him.

 

 

my very first reply in this thread was to someone else.

that person made the link and i replied to him.

 

you then decided to reply and ran with that....

 

i replied to RatedR who made the link lol

 

 

I would argue this point strongly, suggs, reed, and ngata all overtook him depending on the year..

 

thats why i said among IF not the best lol.

 

depending on season he was the best and others 1 of the best.

 

at no time he was the worst though and only last 2 seasons i think he became kind of a liability in coverage.

[Tru11]

He's explained himself a couple of times. If you want to be technical, every player as part of a team has some responsibility for the wins/losses of the team. But again, straw man fallacies because no one 'blames losing seasons' on Ray.

 

dear god you really must have a vendetta against me lol.

 

ratedr is the guy i responded to.

he has not replied to me since and thus has not explained him self at any point.

 

you should seriously check your facts cause this is just baiting and it looks bad coming from a mod....

Edited September 23, 2015 by Tru11

[berad]

dear god you really must have a vendetta against me lol.

 

ratedr is the guy i responded to.

he has not replied to me since and thus has not explained him self at any point.

 

you should seriously check your facts cause this is just baiting and it looks bad coming from a mod....

 

"Vendetta" again? Hm. Looks like this is going no where. I quoted your reply to redlobster, not ratedr. Instead of deviating further off topic, I'll leave it there.

[Tru11]

"Vendetta" again? Hm. Looks like this is going no where. I quoted your reply to redlobster, not ratedr. Instead of deviating further off topic, I'll leave it there.

 

ofcourse its not going anywhere.

 

its speak for itself when you jump in at the end of an discussion accusing someone for having straw man fallacies with out even bothering to look at what triggerd the discussion in the first place.

 

makes it even worse when you claim the person i was talking explained himself while that was not the case at all.

 

SMH for a mod showing this kind of behavior.

if i accuse people of these things i end up with a warning

[FlackAttack]

tru11 you came out of nowhere and started blaming people for stating ray lewis lost us seasons.. thats not what anyone posted at all.

 

people are stating that ray lewis was obviously a great player, if not one of the best, but the game is played with 11 people on both sides of the ball. he doesnt walk up to people, put his hands on other peoples heads and say "play on my son" then all of a sudden we win games by the grace of god. theres a little more to it, use common sense.

 

we need to move on from ray lewis. his legacy will live on forever in this city, but we cannot turn to ray lewis every single time we have a losing season. and even if we did, expecting us to win just because he is on the sideline is lol. the problem is not losing one former HOF player, the problem is the current staff.

[BSHU_Miami]

This is stupid.

[Tru11]

tru11 you came out of nowhere and started blaming people for stating ray lewis lost us seasons.. thats not what anyone posted at all.

people are stating that ray lewis was obviously a great player, if not one of the best, but the game is played with 11 people on both sides of the ball. he doesnt walk up to people, put his hands on other peoples heads and say "play on my son" then all of a sudden we win games by the grace of god. theres a little more to it, use common sense.

we need to move on from ray lewis. his legacy will live on forever in this city, but we cannot turn to ray lewis every single time we have a losing season. and even if we did, expecting us to win just because he is on the sideline is lol. the problem is not losing one former HOF player, the problem is the current staff.

i quoted someone else.

i did not post out of the blue.

the person i first quoted was the one who linked ray to us having losing seasons.

i responded to that.

fact is i responded to a person who linked ray to us having losing seasons since i dont agree with that statement and if people respond to me disagreeing i think its not a big deal to ask them if they do feel like he was responsible.

everything was fine till the mod decided to attack me by accusing me off having straw man fallacy with out even reading the whole conversation from start to finish in an effort to see where my stance is comming from and then proceeds to say this 3 times in a row.

ive gotten warnings for less then that but i guess because he is a mod its okay......

[FlackAttack]

who in this thread made a post stating that we had losing seasons because of ray lewis?

[Moderator 3]

NO ONE made a post suggesting Ray was the reason for a losing season. I just re-read the whole damn thread. Can we let it go now? Please?

[baroquenspirit]

Apparently Ray was instrumental in getting Kam Chancellor to return to the Seahawks. 

[bmorefan444]

What we need is someone on the current roster to step up as a leader.  Harbaugh is a great coach, but the players need someone on the field to look up to and now with Suggs out, they don't have that.  

 

Good leadership brings the most out of the players and allows them to play beyond their potential.  It's sickening to see the others team offense just trot down the field in the 4th quarter while our defense has seemingly already accepted defeat. Someone needs to step up and say "oh hell now, this is not going to happen".  

[K-Dog]

What we need is someone on the current roster to step up as a leader.  Harbaugh is a great coach, but the players need someone on the field to look up to and now with Suggs out, they don't have that.

 

 

 

 

With out any of us being in the locker room that is pure speculation. 

[Ravenseconbeast]

Is Tandon Doss returning a punt?

 

tandon doss.....pretty much everyone except SSS looks like tandon doss right now.     *facepalm*

[03tsal]

When Ray left we not only lost a talented Middle Linebacker, we lost our inspirational leader.  Those who think that is not important, have probably never engaged in a team sport.  It is invaluable to have a teammate fire you up, pat you on the back when you mess up. remind you of the present situation, etc.  Although it was said that Suggs took over the role when Ray left, there is no way he equaled Rays leadership.  Now that Suggs is gone also, there is a void on the team.  How could it hurt to have Ray there to help motivate the Ravens?  If we lose our next game with the Bengals, we can most likely kiss this season goodbye.

[wizard1]

Fuggettabouttit

 

I say lets get Ray Rice back on the sidelines - that would get everyone fired up !! YUP YUP