2016 WR Prospect Thread

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I agree with Gabe on the notion that Boyd is going to be a possesion WR at the next level. But honestly, he's just so smooth with his route running and has such good hands that I think his floor is a #1 WR. He's quicker than fast, sure I get it. Minimal long speed. But man is he smooth, and physical.

I wouldn't call him a Larry Firtzgerald or Brandon Marshall, but he's in that kind of mold. Physical, good hands, smooth route runner. And that is fine by me.

[BmoreBird22]

I agree with Gabe on the notion that Boyd is going to be a possesion WR at the next level. But honestly, he's just so smooth with his route running and has such good hands that I think his floor is a #1 WR. He's quicker than fast, sure I get it. Minimal long speed. But man is he smooth, and physical.

I wouldn't call him a Larry Firtzgerald or Brandon Marshall, but he's in that kind of mold. Physical, good hands, smooth route runner. And that is fine by me.

Didn't Jerry Rice run like a 4.70? Speed isn't everything 

[Challenge Accepted]

I don't get the hype of Doctson. Yes, he's a good reciever, but you guys have him going in the top 20. He is a Allen Robinson clone and should be going late 1st- mid 2nd.

[Cillmatic]

Clutch catch by Coleman

[GrimCoconut]

I think I picked the wrong game to watch Corey Coleman. What a letdown this was.

[-Truth-]

I think I picked the wrong game to watch Corey Coleman. What a letdown this was.

 

Which one was it? Just curious. I've seen roughly three of his thus far.

[allblackraven]

I think I picked the wrong game to watch Corey Coleman. What a letdown this was.

Which one was it? Just curious. I've seen roughly three of his thus far.

 

That would have been today's Oklahoma game. Pretty disappointing.

[BmoreBird22]

I think the two things I hate with Coleman are...

 

1. He runs a lot of go routes/post routes and curls. I suppose that's about all Mike Evans ran, plus scramble drill routes, but he also had freakish size as an asset. 

 

2. I know the spread offense is predicated on this idea that you're gonna run a hundred plays and you want to conserve energy if the play isn't going to your side, but will this lack of effort carry into the NFL? If he's the fourth read, will he give full effort and sell out? Will he give effort on his run blocking? Will he put in the work to be a great receiver? 

[GrimCoconut]

Which one was it? Just curious. I've seen roughly three of his thus far.

That would have been today's Oklahoma game. Pretty disappointing.

Yeah. That was the worst game to be your first game evaluating this guy outside of just watching him here and there. I wanted to focus on him tonight and I honestly came away more impressed by the Shepard, the other small WR.

[GrimCoconut]

I think the two things I hate with Coleman are...

1. He runs a lot of go routes/post routes and curls. I suppose that's about all Mike Evans ran, plus scramble drill routes, but he also had freakish size as an asset.

2. I know the spread offense is predicated on this idea that you're gonna run a hundred plays and you want to conserve energy if the play isn't going to your side, but will this lack of effort carry into the NFL? If he's the fourth read, will he give full effort and sell out? Will he give effort on his run blocking? Will he put in the work to be a great receiver?

I think that's a concern with any spread WR. Not trying to minimize your concern, only point out a generally underlying concern with spread WR that's not always justified.

We will likely never know unless a coach or teammate talks about his work ethic.

[BmoreBird22]

I think that's a concern with any spread WR. Not trying to minimize your concern, only point out a generally underlying concern with spread WR that's not always justified.

We will likely never know unless a coach or teammate talks about his work ethic.

It's still something to look into because it's not even like he's jogging through or even making an attempt. There are times where he flat out hardly moves or just walks. 

[PurpleCity5]

I don't get the hype of Doctson. Yes, he's a good reciever, but you guys have him going in the top 20. He is a Allen Robinson clone and should be going late 1st- mid 2nd.

Whats wrong with being a Allen Robinson clone? Robinson has turned into a great player. Id love to have a player of Allen Robinsons caliber on this team.

Edited November 15, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[PurpleCity5]

It's still something to look into because it's not even like he's jogging through or even making an attempt. There are times where he flat out hardly moves or just walks.

I've seen that from Coleman as well, I have to admit it bugs me

[GrimCoconut]

It's still something to look into because it's not even like he's jogging through or even making an attempt. There are times where he flat out hardly moves or just walks. 

Yeah, I agree with you. I'm just saying the other side of the argument and playing devil's advocate. His lack of effort bothers me and others, but then again, I haven't seen enough games of his to comment so I'll defer to other opinions for and against it. I think there are valid concerns surrounding his effort, but we'll never know whether it's lack of effort or design due to the spread unless he, a coach, or a teammate say so.

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah, I agree with you. I'm just saying the other side of the argument and playing devil's advocate. His lack of effort bothers me and others, but then again, I haven't seen enough games of his to comment so I'll defer to other opinions for and against it. I think there are valid concerns surrounding his effort, but we'll never know whether it's lack of effort or design due to the spread unless he, a coach, or a teammate say so.

I mean, the coach has come out and say he'd prefer his player to conserve energy if the play isn't going their way, but if that were me, I'd still probably at least jog or try to sell it, even a little

[GrimCoconut]

I mean, the coach has come out and say he'd prefer his player to conserve energy if the play isn't going their way, but if that were me, I'd still probably at least jog or try to sell it, even a little

Yeah. We'll see what happens when we get closer to the draft. All kinds of stories will emerge that may shed light on the truth here. I'm reserving judgment until we get more information.

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah. We'll see what happens when we get closer to the draft. All kinds of stories will emerge that may shed light on the truth here. I'm reserving judgment until we get more information.

I don't know, I'd still take Thomas, Williams, Docston, Boyd, and Treadwell before him, personally

[GrimCoconut]

I don't know, I'd still take Thomas, Williams, Docston, Boyd, and Treadwell before him, personally

I certainly need to see more from Coleman before I decide either way. I didn't like what I saw against Oklahoma.

[BmoreBird22]

I certainly need to see more from Coleman before I decide either way. I didn't like what I saw against Oklahoma.

My biggest issue is that if you're going to be a smaller player (even though I do like the fact that he does go up and try to get it), you should probably try to be an extremely refined and well nuanced route runner. He runs like two routes. 

[gabefergy]

Yeah. We'll see what happens when we get closer to the draft. All kinds of stories will emerge that may shed light on the truth here. I'm reserving judgment until we get more information.

If it was just Coleman than it would be a concern, but all the WRs do it when the play isn't going their way. It does make the eval kind of tricky for things like blocking, but it's not a knock on effort imo. 

[gabefergy]

My biggest issue is that if you're going to be a smaller player (even though I do like the fact that he does go up and try to get it), you should probably try to be an extremely refined and well nuanced route runner. He runs like two routes. 

Also not a knock on the player, that's a knock on the system. You can't judge a player based on the offense and what he is asked to do it.

[PurpleCity5]

After todays game against Jacksonville. I would be 100% fine if we traded back and took Treadwell or Doctson. 

Edited November 15, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[BmoreBird22]

Also not a knock on the player, that's a knock on the system. You can't judge a player based on the offense and what he is asked to do it.

You don't think what a player is asked to do is an indication of his skill set and how it's viewed by the coaches?

[rmw10]

After todays game against Jacksonville. I would be 100% fine if we traded back and took Treadwell or Doctson. 

 

I wouldn't.  I like them both, but I would be angry if we passed on an elite talent at the top of the draft.  We don't find ourselves in this position very often.

[Inqui]

I wouldn't. I like them both, but I would be angry if we passed on an elite talent at the top of the draft. We don't find ourselves in this position very often.

Yeah, gimmie a top-tier playmaker. If we trade back, I'd be upset unless it's for a hatful of picks and a near-top-tier playmaker.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Here's what's going to happen. One of the following will be a Raven next year

Tunsil

Stanley

Bosa

Nk... Screw it

VH3

Ramsey.

All of them are elite prospects imo. Tunsil and Stanley give Joe a legit franchise LT. Bosa gives our defense a cornerstone. Nk would as well, and VH3 and Ramsey would immediately help our secondary. All of the above would be amazing picks.

Much as I like the WR at the top, trading back would be a waste.

What we want, is a guy to fall. Whether it's Thomas, Boyd, Williams. Flacco needs a possession WR. We have TEs we can use over the middle, a Trestman receiving back, and two deep threats in Givens and Perriman. A possesion WR would honestly put a healthy Ravens offense over the top. Either of the three would do it.

One thing I like about this class. Not a lot of elite talent sure, but a lot of safe draft picks it appears. Something we desperately need. Especially at WR

Edited November 16, 2015 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[BmoreBird22]

Here's what's going to happen. One of the following will be a Raven next year

 

Tunsil

Stanley

Bosa

Nk... Screw it

VH3

Ramsey.

 

All of them are elite prospects imo. Tunsil and Stanley give Joe a legit franchise. Bosa gives our defense a cornerstone. Nk would as well, and VH3 and Ramsey would immediately help our secondary. All of the above would be amazing picks.

Much as I like the WR at the top, trading back would be a waste. 

 

What we want, is a guy to fall. Whether it's Thomas, Boyd, Williams. Flacco needs a possession WR. We have TEs we can use over the middle, a Trestman receiving back, and two deep threats in Givens and Perriman.  A possesion WR would honestly put a healthy Ravens offense over the top. Either of the three would do it.

 

One thing  I like about this class. Not a lot of elite talent sure, but a lot of safe draft picks it appears. Something we desperately need. Especially at WR

I would love to get Bosa and then trade back into the first round (to secure the fifth year rights) and get Kearse/Boyd/Williams/Thomas. One of those four. Two game breakers right there for a team that needs help at pass rusher, S, and WR

[GrimCoconut]

I agree. I don't see Ozzie taking a WR high. One of Ramsey, Hargreaves, Bosa, Stanley, Tunsil, or Nkemdiche will be a Raven. I think we'll likely get a secondary player, personally, but who knows. I wouldn't be surprised if we take a WR in the third unless someone really good is there on the second.

Our top 4 needs are OLB, safety, CB, and WR. We've invested high into WR so I expect us to pass on WR unless we finish much better than we currently find ourselves. Ozzie will take BPA at need where we'll be picking unless those names are off the board.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I would love to get Bosa and then trade back into the first round (to secure the fifth year rights) and get Kearse/Boyd/Williams/Thomas. One of those four. Two game breakers right there for a team that needs help at pass rusher, S, and WR

Nah. If we're picking high in the first, we pick high in the second as well. I think we let a guy like Williams fall to us and then go say Karl Joseph in round 4 while getting another pass rusher in round 3. 

[GrimCoconut]

I would love to get Bosa and then trade back into the first round (to secure the fifth year rights) and get Kearse/Boyd/Williams/Thomas. One of those four. Two game breakers right there for a team that needs help at pass rusher, S, and WR

I really like the safeties at the top of this class. Bell is a really good player imo. Very underrated by many of us.