2016 WR Prospect Thread

[Jacquouille]

16 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He's got some impressive tape, I recommend you watch it. He's a complete package. His tape reminds me of Nelson agholor a lot who I still think is going to be a good wr. I love how refined he is for being a small school guy and how aggressively he catches the ball, his pursuit is NFL caliber and it's not an asset you typically see in college receivers

Aight just did, watched two games and he certainly was good but I don't see the Agholor comparison, Agholor was a much more refined route runner. I don't think there is any WR that I can think of when I watch his game, maybe AJ Green is the closest.

Liked the swagger and his ability to highpoint the ball, could be a very good position wr.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

Aight just did, watched two games and he certainly was good but I don't see the Agholor comparison, Agholor was a much more refined route runner. I don't think there is any WR that I can think of when I watch his game, maybe AJ Green is the closest.

Liked the swagger and his ability to highpoint the ball, could be a very good position wr.

His route game is not as strong but the main thing that stood out to me that made me draw that comparison was the tenacity during the catch. Very rarely do you see college wrs who know to get shallow in crossing routes to create last second separation, for instance if the wr is 3 yards deep in a drag with a cb on his backside, he knows to cut in 2 yards closer to the line when the ball is thrown and creating loads of instant separation. That is something agholor showed a lot of in his tape and I see the same from Higgins more than any other wr in this class, he is even more aggressive in that aspect than treadwell, Boyd does this very well too, but I think it's something that can be a real indicator of whether or not a wr understands the nuances of the position, this is why I think Doctson will struggle at the next level because he's a fade away guy, guys like higgins, boyd, Shepard and Coleman(in limited oppottunities) have all shown much better tenacity

[Davesta]

Seems like every WR I want Ravens to draft, Ozzie let's slip by (Keenan Allen, Allen Robinson, marqise lee) well marqise would probably have been a bad pick; and WR who I didn't want us to draft, we drafted first round (perriman)  but anywho.. So with that said,  Please don't draft Tyler Boyd or sterling Shepard. 

[RaineV1]

I'd compare Higgins to Jarvis Landry. They're the type of receivers that you just keep steadily feeding the ball.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, Davesta said:

Seems like every WR I want Ravens to draft, Ozzie let's slip by (Keenan Allen, Allen Robinson, marqise lee) well marqise would probably have been a bad pick; and WR who I didn't want us to draft, we drafted first round (perriman)  but anywho.. So with that said,  Please don't draft Tyler Boyd or sterling Shepard. 

Of all the wrs in this class, after clamoring for Keenan Allen and Allen Robinson... Why would you not want Boyd and Shepard? They fall right in line with your kind of wr

 

[ALI624]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Of all the wrs in this class, after clamoring for Keenan Allen and Allen Robinson... Why would you not want Boyd and Shepard? They fall right in line with your kind of wr

 

Think that was reverse psychology. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, ALI624 said:

Think that was reverse psychology. 

Ohhhhhhh! 

 

How did I miss that...

[KBoum]

I haven'T watched Boyd a lot he sure looks like a solid possession WR but I'll have to read more about him and you guys know him a lot better than me. But Shepard wowed me. I'm very high on him unlike Treadwell and Doctson.

 

I think Treadwell runs the slants better than anyone. He seems to have a little bit of problem locating the deep balls but he's got such great hands I think Treadwell will hand up a very good WR but I'm not comparing him to Jeffery not at all. On the other hand, Doctson doens'nt seem interested in running his routes... Is it me or he get out of his routes with not explosions ? He's not getting open 1 on 1 a lot on his own ? I think he benefits a lot from the schemes but.... thats probably just me. I don't think I,ve seen a lot of people saying those things of Doctson

[BmoreBird22]

17 hours ago, Davesta said:

Seems like every WR I want Ravens to draft, Ozzie let's slip by (Keenan Allen, Allen Robinson, marqise lee) well marqise would probably have been a bad pick; and WR who I didn't want us to draft, we drafted first round (perriman)  but anywho.. So with that said,  Please don't draft Tyler Boyd or sterling Shepard. 

I see what you did there...

[Jacquouille]

30 minutes ago, KBoum said:

I haven'T watched Boyd a lot he sure looks like a solid possession WR but I'll have to read more about him and you guys know him a lot better than me. But Shepard wowed me. I'm very high on him unlike Treadwell and Doctson.

 

I think Treadwell runs the slants better than anyone. He seems to have a little bit of problem locating the deep balls but he's got such great hands I think Treadwell will hand up a very good WR but I'm not comparing him to Jeffery not at all. On the other hand, Doctson doens'nt seem interested in running his routes... Is it me or he get out of his routes with not explosions ? He's not getting open 1 on 1 a lot on his own ? I think he benefits a lot from the schemes but.... thats probably just me. I don't think I,ve seen a lot of people saying those things of Doctson

No, I do agree with your analysis on Doctson, I don't see any explosion or agressivity in his game. He can make some crazy catches, but doesn't seem to like when he has to fight for it. He's not the fiesty guy you can see in Treadwell or Shepard. That lack of agressivity also shows in his route running, which is not horrible but not "crisp".

Edited March 5, 2016 by Jacquouille

[KBoum]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

No, I do agree with your analysis on Doctson, I don't see any explosion or agressivity in his game. He can make some crazy catches, but doesn't seem to like when he has to fight for it. He's not the fiesty guy you can see in Treadwell or Shepard. That lack of agressivity also shows in his route running, which is not horrible but not "crisp".

yeah I think that exactly what I saw.. I don't see the same anger in Doctson than I saw in Shepard and it concerns me a bit. maybe its a character issue or maybe its a lack of effort I don,t know

[SammyG]

I know last time I said this a couple people shot me down within moments, but Sterling Shepard is the best receiver in this class. He runs extremely good routes. He is lethally fast, but has good speed and is quicker than hever is fast. His hands and arms are enormous for someone 5'10. I think if I remember correctly they are about the same as doctsons. Regardless he put up 20 reps on the bench press which was the most by any receiver and then posted a 41 inch vertical. Now who cares about all that stuff if he isn't a player and good stand up guy, but he is. He's a class act and plays with grit that I only see in himself and Tyler Boyd. He will be a number one receiver because when it comes down to it he wants to ball and doesn't drop anything. Ifor he were 6 foot 1, he'd be top 15, but thankfully we can take him at 37 or whatever it is at the beginning of round 2. Please let me know what you think! 

[SammyG]

Is *not lethally

[January J]

On Sunday, January 31, 2016 at 5:39 PM, ALI624 said:

On Tuesday, February 02, 2016 at 8:11 AM, ngatainmyhouse said:

11 minutes ago, SammyG said:

I know last time I said thisiuple people shot me down with in moments, but Sterling Shepard is the best receiver in this class. He runs extremely good routes. He is lethally fast, but has good speed and is quicker than hever is fast. His hands and arms are enormous for someone 5'10. I think if I remember correctly they are about the same as doctsons. Regardless he put up 20 reps on the bench press which was the most by any receiver and then posted a 41 inch vertical. Now who cares about all that stuff if he isn't a player and good stand up guy, but he is. He's a class act and plays with grit that I only see in himself and Tyler Boyd. He will be a number one receiver because when it comes down to it he wants to ball and doesn't drop anything. Ifor he were 6 foot 1, he'd be top 15, but thankfully we can take him at 37 or whatever it is at the beginning of round 2. Please let me know what you think! 

I really like him too & if he makes it to the third Round i Would pounce ina heartbeat.

[RaineV1]

I don't think Shepard is the best receiver coming out of college, but he could develop into the best receiver of the class. I wouldn't be shocked if he's the type of guy that we look back at and wonder 'why the hell didn't someone draft in in the 1st instead of (insert bust name here)'. Even if he doesn't become the next big thing, he could be a poor man's Antonio Brown which is pretty damn good.

As for Boyd, I see him as a Derrick Mason type receiver. A tough possession guy that's good at creating separation with his great route running.

[usmccharles]

Wendell Williams ran a 4.19, from the University of Cumberland and posted a 45inch vertical at the regal combine

[DomMcRaven]

7 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Wendell Williams ran a 4.19, from the University of Cumberland and posted a 45inch vertical at the regal combine

Pathetically slow (sarcasm).

[thieverycorporation]

3 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I don't think Shepard is the best receiver coming out of college, but he could develop into the best receiver of the class. I wouldn't be shocked if he's the type of guy that we look back at and wonder 'why the hell didn't someone draft in in the 1st instead of (insert bust name here)'. Even if he doesn't become the next big thing, he could be a poor man's Antonio Brown which is pretty damn good.

As for Boyd, I see him as a Derrick Mason type receiver. A tough possession guy that's good at creating separation with his great route running.

I'll take that any day. Shepard was a none factor in a big game but he came on in the clutch as reported. I think he can be a real schemed player. If the Ravens follow a blueprint of just catch the ball for yac it a win period. I can see a scenario where they get the dback and dominate. A great hands back and a tandem of Tightends does damage. Period.  Boyd seems like the dark horse as no ones really talking him up. My boys are fuller/boyd . Speed and hands in the game.

We roll with Boyd/Fuller/Perriman/Williams/Forsett/Buck/Late flyer/SSSr

Acquistiions of Drake or Procice

[Jacquouille]

I'm sorry but I'm not sold at all on Michael Thomas. He seems slow and sluggish as hell, he seems to not even bother running his routes. He manages to haul in contested catches, which is spectacular, but with so few separation, he won't be able to keep up at the next level.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

I'm sorry but I'm not sold at all on Michael Thomas. He seems slow and sluggish as hell, he seems to not even bother running his routes. He manages to haul in contested catches, which is spectacular, but with so few separation, he won't be able to keep up at the next level.

Odd.. He may. Be the best route runner in the class. His system sucks. 

 

But it is rumored that he doesn't care and has a real all about me attitude

[Italian Raven]

While watching the Temple tape of Will Jackson I was quite caught by Robby Anderson (WR of the Owls).
CBS lists him between the undrafted players but he really looks like a round5-early 6 kind of player.
He's not scared at all to work through the middle and has a crazy pair of hands. He might not be a go-to guy but with some rub routes (a-là Patriots) and especially corner/posts you might turn him into a valuable WR.

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Odd.. He may. Be the best route runner in the class. His system sucks. 

 

But it is rumored that he doesn't care and has a real all about me attitude

I'm surprised to hear that. From my poor experience, what I refer the most while watching the route running ability is the agressivity in the cuts and the fluidity in the moves (also the quickness of execution) and from the tape I watched this morning (vs Illinois) he made it look as if he just got out of bed...

And the "all about me" attitude does show when they give the ball to Zeke, he doesn't even try selling something to the CB.

[cushrinada1986]

A possible mid rounder who has pretty good hands and has the physical ability to be a solid #1 target. Just enough speed to separate and the leaping ability to beat smaller DBs in jump balls.

KEYARRIS GARRETT, WR
SCHOOL: TULSA  |  CONFERENCE: AAC
COLLEGE EXPERIENCE: SENIOR  |  HOMETOWN: DAINGERFIELD, TX
HEIGHT/WEIGHT: 6-3 / 220 LBS.
PROJECTED RANKING
OVERALL    POSITION    PROJ. RND.
   105                 15                3-4

 

 

Edited March 8, 2016 by cushrinada1986
Mispelling

[Jacquouille]

Completely caught by the Rashard Higgins bandwagon. Only thing that worries me is the weak competition he faced (then again, didn't bother Crockett), but boy can he play.

Edited March 12, 2016 by Jacquouille

[Winchester]

On 3/6/2016 at 8:25 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Odd.. He may. Be the best route runner in the class. His system sucks. 

 

But it is rumored that he doesn't care and has a real all about me attitude

I do not care about his attitude as long as he works hard. And respects teammates and coaches. Most great receivers do have attitude.He is the best receiver in this class and it is not close. Think of him as Devante Parker who gets far better seperation!!

Edited March 12, 2016 by Winchester

[ALPHA]

I like Doctson if he drops or Peake for upside, Peake could be another Donte Moncrief

[Robbyrobbass]

On 10/4/2015 at 2:37 PM, BmoreBird22 said:

On 10/4/2015 at 2:32 PM, PurpleCity5 said:

Definitely. He's good as a #3 or #4, but not a starter. Really would like to spend an early pick on WR this year again.

Joe should make his pay cut be conditional on the Ravens drafting a receiver That's a difference maker not a project or a late pick I would like a wr at 36 since I know we are not drafting a wr in the 1st rd

[JoeyFlex5]

If we sign Mike wallace, who do we begin looking at in the first 3 rounds? I think Boyd Higgins and Shepard begin to separate themselves from the braxton Miller's and will fullers if we sign him, we would have more than enough speed and could then begin looking for a guy who can catch a #1 volume of passes

[Jacquouille]

14 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If we sign Mike wallace, who do we begin looking at in the first 3 rounds? I think Boyd Higgins and Shepard begin to separate themselves from the braxton Miller's and will fullers if we sign him, we would have more than enough speed and could then begin looking for a guy who can catch a #1 volume of passes

To be honest, and I don't really know how to explain, I don't view Shepard and Boyd as playmakers. I just don't see them as the reliable ace that Higgins was for Colorado State. Higgins seems more special, to put it simply. He's the whole package: tall, fast, smooth, good route runner (though he didn't face good CB to prevent that), reliable hands... He's kinda like what Marvin Jones or Mohamed Sanu were in Cincinatti, with a higher ceiling, especially in the red zone.

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

To be honest, and I don't really know how to explain, I don't view Shepard and Boyd as playmakers. I just don't see them as the reliable ace that Higgins was for Colorado State. Higgins seems more special, to put it simply. He's the whole package: tall, fast, smooth, good route runner (though he didn't face good CB to prevent that), reliable hands... He's kinda like what Marvin Jones or Mohamed Sanu were in Cincinatti, with a higher ceiling, especially in the red zone.

Well imo, Boyd Has the best hands and best routes in the class. He plays like a 5 year vet, he doesn't just run routes, he fluidly goes into his breaks and explodes out of them without giving any hints of his direction, he attacks the ball, he positions himself great for the catch, and I know Higgins does these things well also, but Boyd is just on another level. He's in a class all his own when it comes to being a dependable wr