2016 WR Prospect Thread

[RaineV1]

25 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Since someone else made a top 10 31st I figure I'll make one too... 

1. Treadwell 

2. Coleman 

3. Boyd

4. Thomas

5. Doctson 

6. Shepard 

7. Fuller 

8. Miller 

9. Cooper 

10. De'runnya 

No Rashard Higgins? I'd put him ahead of Fuller.

[JoeyFlex5]

6 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

No Rashard Higgins? I'd put him ahead of Fuller.

Tbh he's one I haven't looked into yet. His "Hollywood" nickname has been a real put off for me and I've disregarded him for this reason lol

[Winchester]

7 hours ago, gabefergy said:

I've watched more tape now and updated my top 10 WRs. I still think it's a strong class.

1. Treadwell

2. Coleman

3. Doctson

4. Thomas

5. Shepard

6. Fuller

7. Boyd

8. Miller

9. Higgins

10. Cooper

Where is demarcus Robinson?? Maybe most complete in the draft

[Winchester]

6 hours ago, gabefergy said:

definitely not in the top 10. 

Why is not he in the top10?? Talent alone he is better than many guys on that list. Is it because of his drama?? On pure talent he is better than Doctson. He can actually win separation

[Winchester]

22 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I like agile and technically sound LTs much more than those "high ceiling" maulers, I think that's the modern NFL LT. I guess I should look into him now. And if we resign KO I do like his ability at lt so I'd be ok skipping that position of were able to keep him. 

I prefer the maulers!! It is why I liked Yanda better than Grubbs from the rookie year. Missing the power element is the reason so many left tackles are busting!! Elite explosive edge rushers are far stronger than fans give'em credit for. KO will be a top5 left tackle in the NFL!! Pencil it in.  Jake Long before his injuries was projected to struggle with speed but handled it no problem!! And was the best left tackle before his injuries. I like technically sound left tackles with good speed and agility but with top notch coordination and power. And nasty!! When the defense is worried about getting mauled and it breaks the concentration from the job of getting to the QB. And the offense then has its way!! Ravens OLine is sooooooo exciting!! I love Jensen and Urschel!! Soooo nasty!! With adequate athleticism for zone blocking. In the pittsburgh game Jensen outplayed Yanda. Urschel is going to be the best earthmoving center next year. Both are major steals!! And KO was the best OLine player in his draft class. Wagner after the nagging injuries were behind him was the best right tackle in football again in the steelers and bungals game. And Jensen is a near 330 lb mauler with very very underrated athleticism!! And he is the most out of shape of ravens OLine players. Yet shows that level of agility and coordination at his size. He is working out with Urschel KO and Wagner this offseason and should be even better. 

[Winchester]

On 2/3/2016 at 8:06 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

for our 2nd round pick, if michael thomas and tyler boyd are both there, who would we take?

That would be an awesome dilemma!!

[gabefergy]

On 2/6/2016 at 10:18 PM, Winchester said:

Why is not he in the top10?? Talent alone he is better than many guys on that list. Is it because of his drama?? On pure talent he is better than Doctson. He can actually win separation

 Good body control, decent size, good hands, decent speed. Lacks ideal explosiveness. Biggest issue with him is off the field, and it 's a big issue when you get suspended multiple times and fail multiple drug tests and lack elite talent.

He's not better than Doctson, not even close. He'd probably end up around 6 or 7 on talent alone

[JoeyFlex5]

demarcus robinson is an above average college WR with a skillset that may be far too "meh" to translate to the NFL with good results, he is a late 2nd round wr if he was a HIGH character guy, he shouldnt even get consideration from us until the 5th

[SammyG]

If the Ravens do not have one of the following starting next year, I'll be so sad. This is my order by the way.  I love these guys.

Laquon Treadwell

Josh Doctson

Braxton Miller

Tyler Boyd

Michael Thomas

Sterling Shepard

Corey Coleman

[thieverycorporation]

My list in order.

Treadwell

Shepard

Boyd

Coleman 

Doctson.

Miller

pre combine tape analysis.

 

 

[ngatainmyhouse]

How come nobody talks about De'Runnya Wilson at all? I know he isn't crazy fast or anything. But he seems to be good at adjusting to the ball and great at catching the ball in traffic. Also he was playing in the SEC which is known for their defensive talent so it's not like he had it easy. He's 6'5" and would've put up much better numbers if Dak Prescott wasn't so athletic

Edited February 10, 2016 by ngatainmyhouse

[BmoreBird22]

On 2/5/2016 at 5:26 PM, gabefergy said:

I've watched more tape now and updated my top 10 WRs. I still think it's a strong class.

1. Treadwell

2. Coleman

3. Doctson

4. Thomas

5. Shepard

6. Fuller

7. Boyd

8. Miller

9. Higgins

10. Cooper

Way too many issues going over the middle for me to consider him the second best receiver in the class.

[gabefergy]

5 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Way too many issues going over the middle for me to consider him the second best receiver in the class.

It's just really just one issue, and that issue is he wasn't asked to do it very often. He doesn't shy away from contact. He makes contested catches. He's easily the most explosive playmaker at the WR position in this draft. Is it a projection? Yes. On the flip side, he could easily be the best WR in this class by a wide margin given his special traits. I can't say the same about any other WR in this class.

[thieverycorporation]

6 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Way too many issues going over the middle for me to consider him the second best receiver in the class.

Issues like? I'm not that high on him and I'm interested in your observations as well. He could be better then I've observed.

[thieverycorporation]

1 hour ago, gabefergy said:

It's just really just one issue, and that issue is he wasn't asked to do it very often. He doesn't shy away from contact. He makes contested catches. He's easily the most explosive playmaker at the WR position in this draft. Is it a projection? Yes. On the flip side, he could easily be the best WR in this class by a wide margin given his special traits. I can't say the same about any other WR in this class.

Most explosive how? By explosive do you mean fast? Brings to mind Darling and Figurs lol. No hands and no work ethic. 

I'm not saying he's in that mold but pure speed is the makings of another disaster. We need bonifided ball catches that will gather in numerous passes in numerous games. The one and two catches is what we currently have on the roster. We need steady contributions with YAC/Separation almost at will/Film junky/Technique sound/contested catches/route tree savvy. If he offers that I'm on board. I don't care about height, weight or wing span. Because we are paying Joe Flacco enough money to develop his skill set and be capable of delivering on target at a greater %. If he wants to be considered Elite getting a smaller receiver that helps his stats and he connects should help to dispel the notion that he isn't . If Oldman Manning, Brady, Rothlisberger and Aaron discount doubled over can use them why haven't we. You may say thats what Camp is here for. My reply: Exactly-Boyd/Fuller/Shepard all fit that Bill. Camp has been camping out @ the castle watching the games from the lunch (eating snacks) on the Ravens/Fans dollar far two long. If nothing else it would serve as a salvo across his bowl to afford injury @ all cost so eat well, and muscle up to take hit, run a mile whatever it'll take to last a full season.

We've tried the Big Tall ones. We need a couple of shrimps and a couple of Lobsters on this team to clamp down on some Balls lol

Edited February 11, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[Davesta]

Tyler boyd in the 2nd please! Give me a natural pass catcher over a project like Braxton or Torrey 2.0 in fuller.

[JoeyFlex5]

@thievery your analysis on Coleman is off. He is a very intense competitor and he will do anything to get better and win, and he has very good hands and plays big and fights for the ball with great body control and tenacity. And shows the nimble feet and great change of pace abilities to become a great route runner. I think Coleman could very well end up the top wr from this class

[Jacquouille]

Is there a chance Coleman is there in the 2nd? I think I saw a mock where he fell, but it was like 2 months ago. Seems impossible now, I hardly believe Minesotta could pass on a guy like him.

[L.A.Ravens]

Braxton Miller reminds me of Antonio Brown. Just minus the stupid haircuts 

[thieverycorporation]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

@thievery your analysis on Coleman is off. He is a very intense competitor and he will do anything to get better and win, and he has very good hands and plays big and fights for the ball with great body control and tenacity. And shows the nimble feet and great change of pace abilities to become a great route runner. I think Coleman could very well end up the top wr from this class

I'm not saying He won't be the best but rather I'd just be more comfortable taking someone else. I very well maybe wrong. My above rant lol was about the failures we've endured and truly/solely about Coleman. If he's what everyone seems to think he is, I'm on board. I've been known to be persuaded and certainly this  maybe the case with Coleman. My safe bets will always exist and the prime reps are Shepard and Boyd with Treadwell inserted somewhere between. I'm even warming up to selecting Fuller or Miller in the late 2nd via trade. 

[Edgar]

Aaron Burbridge is a potential mid round guy I like a lot. Anytime I watch Michigan state,even when I'm actually checking another player, he jumps out.

[gabefergy]

11 hours ago, thieverycorporation said:

Most explosive how? By explosive do you mean fast? Brings to mind Darling and Figurs lol. No hands and no work ethic. 

I'm not saying he's in that mold but pure speed is the makings of another disaster. We need bonifided ball catches that will gather in numerous passes in numerous games. The one and two catches is what we currently have on the roster. We need steady contributions with YAC/Separation almost at will/Film junky/Technique sound/contested catches/route tree savvy. If he offers that I'm on board. I don't care about height, weight or wing span. Because we are paying Joe Flacco enough money to develop his skill set and be capable of delivering on target at a greater %. If he wants to be considered Elite getting a smaller receiver that helps his stats and he connects should help to dispel the notion that he isn't . If Oldman Manning, Brady, Rothlisberger and Aaron discount doubled over can use them why haven't we. You may say thats what Camp is here for. My reply: Exactly-Boyd/Fuller/Shepard all fit that Bill. Camp has been camping out @ the castle watching the games from the lunch (eating snacks) on the Ravens/Fans dollar far two long. If nothing else it would serve as a salvo across his bowl to afford injury @ all cost so eat well, and muscle up to take hit, run a mile whatever it'll take to last a full season.

We've tried the Big Tall ones. We need a couple of shrimps and a couple of Lobsters on this team to clamp down on some Balls lol

He has top end speed, but by explosive I mean ability to accelerate on a dime, sudden movements etc. His ability to stop and start are reminiscent of Antonio Brown, and his top end speed is better than Brown's. The ability to separate and get YAC come naturally to him. What he doesn't offer at this point is route running savvy, but like I mentioned he shows a natural ability to separate so as he learns the NFL route tree he will become an elite weapon imo.

Bottomline he is a playmaker with the ball in his hands. He can take a short pass all the way and he can beat you over the top. He needs to learn the in between, but with guys like Steve Smith, Aiken, Campanaro etc that's not what the offense needs right now. We need an explosive playmaker and no one in this draft fits that mold like Coleman.

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, thieverycorporation said:

I'm not saying He won't be the best but rather I'd just be more comfortable taking someone else. I very well maybe wrong. My above rant lol was about the failures we've endured and truly/solely about Coleman. If he's what everyone seems to think he is, I'm on board. I've been known to be persuaded and certainly this  maybe the case with Coleman. My safe bets will always exist and the prime reps are Shepard and Boyd with Treadwell inserted somewhere between. I'm even warming up to selecting Fuller or Miller in the late 2nd via trade. 

i gotcha, i think thomas is actually the safest in terms of pure talent, the guy is an absolute stud if he has his head on straight. and while coleman may not be a "safe" bet i think at the very least he finds a niche in this league and is very productive, i will be absolutely shocked if he doesnt become an incredibly feared vertical threat and screen weapon, in which case he sounds perfect for trestman and joe. i also love the mighty mouse wr's with a napoleon complex, joe has shown over and over that he works best with those guys lol so lets get another one. he very well could be the next steve smith, identical in practically every facet

[RaineV1]

5 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Is there a chance Coleman is there in the 2nd? I think I saw a mock where he fell, but it was like 2 months ago. Seems impossible now, I hardly believe Minesotta could pass on a guy like him.

I don't think it's likely that Coleman will be available in the 2nd. There's a few playoff teams that could really use some speed at WR, like the Packers and Chiefs.

[JoeyFlex5]

yeah, coleman has practically a zero chance at falling to us in the 2nd, his combine very well could push him into the teens because he is going to light it up

[ALI624]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

yeah, coleman has practically a zero chance at falling to us in the 2nd, his combine very well could push him into the teens because he is going to light it up

Probably not, but I think that Boyd and Doctson will be there and that's good.

[JoeyFlex5]

46 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

Probably not, but I think that Boyd and Doctson will be there and that's good.

i am not big on doctson like so many seem to be. i think he will have a rough life in the NFL and will come nowhere close to the hype his college numbers would suggest. he relies on circus catches and is practically incapable of doing anything else, but he isnt big, aggressive, or tenacious enough to win like that in the NFL, he has a fadeaway catching style and at 6'1" or 6'2" it will be difficult for him to make a living doing that, and he is also very lanky and frail looking so i dont see him out-toughing most nfl db's, i dont think he stands the slightest chance against nfl press corners, he doesnt box out, he has very stiff limbs and doesnt look like he could put together an impressive route tree because of it. i just think he has a flashy highlight reel that attracts people but honestly all he did was lay out for overthrown balls. 

 

sorry i got carried away there lol, boyd however, different story, i still think hes my favorite pick for 2nd round

[RavensFanMania]

On 2/5/2016 at 6:50 PM, gabefergy said:

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i am not big on doctson like so many seem to be. i think he will have a rough life in the NFL and will come nowhere close to the hype his college numbers would suggest. he relies on circus catches and is practically incapable of doing anything else, but he isnt big, aggressive, or tenacious enough to win like that in the NFL, he has a fadeaway catching style and at 6'1" or 6'2" it will be difficult for him to make a living doing that, and he is also very lanky and frail looking so i dont see him out-toughing most nfl db's, i dont think he stands the slightest chance against nfl press corners, he doesnt box out, he has very stiff limbs and doesnt look like he could put together an impressive route tree because of it. i just think he has a flashy highlight reel that attracts people but honestly all he did was lay out for overthrown balls. 

 

sorry i got carried away there lol, boyd however, different story, i still think hes my favorite pick for 2nd round

definitely not in the top 10. 

I agree, I"m not a fan of Doctson for the same reasons you brought up and I've said so on the board before.  He doesn't go up for the catch and just waits for the ball to come to him.  It doesn't mean he won't succeed in the NFL, it just means it's going to be more difficult for him.

[sflegend89]

Anybody else love Michael Thomas? Best route runner in the entire class, his feet remind me of Antonio Brown, he gets in and out of his cuts so smoothly. Doesn't have blazing straight line speed but he's sneaky quick in space and has no wasted motion in his routes, that's something the best WR's in the NFL have all mastered, no wasted motion. On top of that he's pretty damn good with the ball in his hands, Thomas is a guy I see rising after his workouts.. he's going to put on a show with his quickness/route running that is going to get NFL scouts buzzing.

Edited February 11, 2016 by sflegend89

[RavensFanMania]

6 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

Anybody else love Michael Thomas? Best route runner in the entire class, his feet remind me of Antonio Brown, he gets in and out of his cuts so smoothly. Doesn't have blazing straight line speed but he's sneaky quick in space and has no wasted motion in his routes, that's something the best WR's in the NFL have all mastered, no wasted motion. On top of that he's pretty damn good with the ball in his hands, Thomas is a guy I see rising after his workouts.. he's going to put on a show with his quickness/route running that is going to get NFL scouts buzzing.

I have to say I haven't watched much tape on him to this point, but what I've seen is pretty good.  I just hope he's not as much a knucklehead as his uncle.