2016 WR Prospect Thread

[ravensnick]

nick you seem excessively tough on boyd, i love dural but there is no way he is ahead of boyd, and will fuller isnt even declaring this year. there is simply no way boyd isnt top 10 at his position...

That's my bad. I meant to put Boyd right after Dural. I still stand that I like Dural better than Boyd. I think Boyd has hit his plateau. He is very talent, but I don't see a ton of room for development in his game. Dural hasn't even come close to his true potential yet. 

Edited November 15, 2015 by ravensnick

[Inqui]

I really like the safeties at the top of this class. Bell is a really good player imo. Very underrated by many of us.

I like Bell. Good range, good nose for the ball and he actually wraps up when he tackles [cue the Hallelujah chorus]. Dunno about taking him in the early second, but there's no reason I can't change that tune before Draft Day.

[GrimCoconut]

I like Bell. Good range, good nose for the ball and he actually wraps up when he tackles [cue the Hallelujah chorus]. Dunno about taking him in the early second, but there's no reason I can't change that tune before Draft Day.

I think he could be had in the third or by trading up in the late second.

[Inqui]

I think he could be had in the third or by trading up in the late second.

That's what I was thinking, if we're picking top five I'd be all over him in the third. Him, Brooks and Hill would be a decent trio imo.

[gabefergy]

You don't think what a player is asked to do is an indication of his skill set and how it's viewed by the coaches?

No. Not in that kind of offense.

[PurpleCity5]

I wouldn't.  I like them both, but I would be angry if we passed on an elite talent at the top of the draft.  We don't find ourselves in this position very often.

Lets say we finished better than what we're on pace for and miss out on our fav. guys. Granted its unlikely but in the event that we do I wouldn't be upset if we moved back and took a receiver. 

[rmw10]

Lets say we finished better than what we're on pace for and miss out on our fav. guys. Granted its unlikely but in the event that we do I wouldn't be upset if we moved back and took a receiver. 

 

I'm admittedly behind of looking at WRs this year, but from what I have seen, I'm not overly impressed by any of them so far.  There are some that I like, but I'm not even sure I see a top 15 guy at this very moment.

[BmoreBird22]

Nah. If we're picking high in the first, we pick high in the second as well. I think we let a guy like Williams fall to us and then go say Karl Joseph in round 4 while getting another pass rusher in round 3. 

The reason I'm trading up is because then you get the fifth year rights instead of only four.

[BmoreBird22]

No. Not in that kind of offense.

It definitely should be considering the spread is a philosophy and dictates how players line up, but doesn't dictate the entire route tree be torn apart for a receiver to run two routes.

[gabefergy]

It definitely should be considering the spread is a philosophy and dictates how players line up, but doesn't dictate the entire route tree be torn apart for a receiver to run two routes.

Well saying he only runs 2 routes is a bit of hyperbole, but it is part of the system. Simple routes and simple reads for the QB. 

[BmoreBird22]

Well saying he only runs 2 routes is a bit of hyperbole, but it is part of the system. Simple routes and simple reads for the QB. 

But even still, it is very fair to question someone who is asked to run a very basic route tree and who is in a system that asks minimal effort from their player when the plays aren't going their way. 

[rmw10]

Well saying he only runs 2 routes is a bit of hyperbole, but it is part of the system. Simple routes and simple reads for the QB. 

 

Blanking on the name right now, but there was one guy that came from a spread offense and had the same concerns.  He came out at the combine or pro day and showed he could do it all.  We obviously can't say for sure that Coleman can do more, but we can't really say that he can't either.  Baylor and Oregon have been two of the toughest teams in recent years for me to evaluate prospects.

[BmoreBird22]

Blanking on the name right now, but there was one guy that came from a spread offense and had the same concerns.  He came out at the combine or pro day and showed he could do it all.  We obviously can't say for sure that Coleman can do more, but we can't really say that he can't either.  Baylor and Oregon have been two of the toughest teams in recent years for me to evaluate prospects.

I mean there is nothing to say that he cannot be a good football player at the next level and become a very complete player, but I need to see the concerns I have alleviated at the Senior Bowl, combine, pro-day before I'm even ready to say he's in contention to be the best receiver in the draft class because right now, there are more complete players, to me. 

But looking at draft history for some similar players to him, like Kendall Wright or Santonio Holmes, they were going in the 20-32 range, not the top 15

Edited November 16, 2015 by BmoreBird22

[rmw10]

I mean there is nothing to say that he cannot be a good football player at the next level and become a very complete player, but I need to see the concerns I have alleviated at the Senior Bowl, combine, pro-day before I'm even ready to say he's in contention to be the best receiver in the draft class because right now, there are more complete players, to me. 

But looking at draft history for some similar players to him, like Kendall Wright or Santonio Holmes, they were going in the 20-32 range, not the top 15

 

I'm just not overly impressed with the class right now.  I think Treadwell is my top guy and I don't even have him placed at a premium.  Makes me kind of mad when I see what we could have had these past couple of years.

[BmoreBird22]

I'm just not overly impressed with the class right now.  I think Treadwell is my top guy and I don't even have him placed at a premium.  Makes me kind of mad when I see what we could have had these past couple of years.

Allen Robinson was one that made me the most upset, honestly. I wasn't uber high on him, but once Lee was gone, he became the next receiver I wanted.

[PurpleCity5]

I'm admittedly behind of looking at WRs this year, but from what I have seen, I'm not overly impressed by any of them so far.  There are some that I like, but I'm not even sure I see a top 15 guy at this very moment.

I can agree to that, I still believe there is time for one of these guys to prove their worth. 

[gabefergy]

Here's an example of a slant and go, and he makes a nice TD grab in front of a DB.

 

http://draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=258236&gif=SelfishThoughtfulAtlanticridleyturtle

[BmoreBird22]

Here's an example of a slant and go, and he makes a nice TD grab in front of a DB.

 

http://draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=258236&gif=SelfishThoughtfulAtlanticridleyturtle

It was probably unfair of me to say he only runs go routes and curls, but most of the damage he's going to do is done as a deep threat on the boundary or on comebacks with the hope that he can get into space and in that sense, I don't see him being the top receiver in the class.

[gabefergy]

I mean there is nothing to say that he cannot be a good football player at the next level and become a very complete player, but I need to see the concerns I have alleviated at the Senior Bowl, combine, pro-day before I'm even ready to say he's in contention to be the best receiver in the draft class because right now, there are more complete players, to me. 

But looking at draft history for some similar players to him, like Kendall Wright or Santonio Holmes, they were going in the 20-32 range, not the top 15

Justin Blackmon went top 10 and he came from a spread offense. He's a little bigger, but also not the explosive athlete Coleman is. Kevin White also out of a spread went top 10. I know, bigger guy but he wasn't a polished route runner by any stretch.

 

It depends on how heavily evaluators consider size, but some of the best WRs in the NFL are under 6 feet.

[gabefergy]

It was probably unfair of me to say he only runs go routes and curls, but most of the damage he's going to do is done as a deep threat on the boundary or on comebacks with the hope that he can get into space and in that sense, I don't see him being the top receiver in the class.

I don't think any of that matters in the evaluation process. I look at the player's skill-set and see an explosive athlete with good hands, excellent deep speed and ability to track the ball, and elite YAC. He plays physical and bigger than his size. He can beat press coverage and he is dynamic in space. 

 

If you want the prototypical size, Treadwell is clearly the WR1 in this class imo. I think he will probably be the first WR taken as well. I think Coleman is a more dynamic playmaker and has a higher ceiling.

[BmoreBird22]

I don't think any of that matters in the evaluation process. I look at the player's skill-set and see an explosive athlete with good hands, excellent deep speed and ability to track the ball, and elite YAC. He plays physical and bigger than his size. He can beat press coverage and he is dynamic in space.

If you want the prototypical size, Treadwell is clearly the WR1 in this class imo. I think he will probably be the first WR taken as well. I think Coleman is a more dynamic playmaker and has a higher ceiling.

sure, he's fast as hell, explodes off the line, and can go and fight for the ball when he or his coach wants him to, but there are still concerns, probably for more people than just me, that are going to question a very limited route tree, a total lack of effort on several plays and whether that will leak into the NFL, and his size and how it ties into that lack of a route tree

[Winchester]

I like Fuller. He is very fluid and fast with ball skills and elusive after the catch. He effortlessly changes directions multiple times in a blink. He can accelerate to top speed in a blink as well. Could probably get him early round 2 unless teams begin to see his his acceleratation and fluidity is a cut above the other Receivers 6'0 and taller. There may not be any Julio Jones in this class but a very deep class of WRs that could likely see 7 or more drafted in first 40 picks. With a run of WRs beginning middle round1. There are many Receivers that are very close in talent. A very tough class to judge.

[BmoreBird22]

I like Fuller. He is very fluid and fast with ball skills and elusive after the catch. He effortlessly changes directions multiple times in a blink. He can accelerate to top speed in a blink as well. Could probably get him early round 2 unless teams begin to see his his acceleratation and fluidity is a cut above the other Receivers 6'0 and taller. There may not be any Julio Jones in this class but a very deep class of WRs that could likely see 7 or more drafted in first 40 picks. With a run of WRs beginning middle round1. There are many Receivers that are very close in talent. A very tough class to judge.

Too bad he's going back to ND

[Inqui]

One guy I'm still fascinated by, since as a side we seem to like taking chances on day three guys, is Notre Dame's Corey Robinson. Big dude with good hands, decent spatial awareness for that pesky red zone and is the son of NBA demigod David Robinson. He was supposed to have a breakout season but seems to have fallen further off the map, but I'm not a huge fan of Kizer so if his measurables and the rest of his tape check out I wouldn't complain about him being one of the guys we take a flier on.

[-Truth-]

Blanking on the name right now, but there was one guy that came from a spread offense and had the same concerns.  He came out at the combine or pro day and showed he could do it all.  We obviously can't say for sure that Coleman can do more, but we can't really say that he can't either.  Baylor and Oregon have been two of the toughest teams in recent years for me to evaluate prospects.

 

Demaryius Thomas came from a triple-option offense where he ran a handful of routes. I personally don't believe that what you're asked to do necessarily dictates what you can do.

[gabefergy]

sure, he's fast as hell, explodes off the line, and can go and fight for the ball when he or his coach wants him to, but there are still concerns, probably for more people than just me, that are going to question a very limited route tree, a total lack of effort on several plays and whether that will leak into the NFL, and his size and how it ties into that lack of a route tree

Lack of effort is clearly a coaching decision. I don't think a limited route tree in college is a big knock either. He clearly shows the ability to run routes when asked to do so. Size is the only legitimate knock.

[52520Andrew]

Tunsil and Stanley give Joe a legit franchise.

Wait, would Flacco then own the team?

Agreed with everything you said by the way

[bmorepizzy]

Strelin Shepard I think he is def Raven material.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Wait, would Flacco then own the team?

Agreed with everything you said by the way

Well he was a waste of $120 million according to some all knowing posters who don't realize that he was the reason we won the damn thing and that a franchise QB is worth every penny.

So yes. He has enough leverage to whereas he owns the team

[Winchester]

Lack of effort is clearly a coaching decision. I don't think a limited route tree in college is a big knock either. He clearly shows the ability to run routes when asked to do so. Size is the only legitimate knock.

Totally agree!! Size is only a prob when the receiver does not have athleticism and coordination to go up and get the throw. But there are a number of Receivers 6'0 or less that highpoint like a far taller receiver. Coleman can do the same. I hear the scouts biggest knock on him is effort at times.

Is this a year the ravens double up on WRs in first 3 rounds. Hard to say with other needs!! However until Perriman shows anything, the ravens can not count on him in my opinion. Even sports networks are saying his injury situation is strangest anybody can remember. And beginning to question if it is a pre exposed injury not the complete fault of the injury on the field. May be in best interest to draft a stud receiver and sign a skilled receiver yet to break out like Quick who had a string of breakout games with bad qb play before his injury. Quick could likely be signed for not far over vet minimum prove it deal. Or somebody like Wright who will be a little more pricey on a 1 yr prove yourself deal.

Joe Cool has made the ravens a luxurious hotel for talented Receivers looking to prove themselves for a multi year lucrative contract. Because the Ravens give a talented WR his best opportunity for a breakout to land a big contract. NO OTHER TEAM PRESENTS A BETTER OPPORTUNITY FOR A RECEIVER TO PROVE THEMSELVES!! A top6 franchise QB throwing to them in a throw happy well designed scheme. And an offense begging for a WR to step up and be a legit #1 WR. Wright, Quick or any other receiver will not get a better opportunity to display their skills and break out!!

So with that established one stud receiver in the draft will be enough to add to a free agent receiver and bump Raven offense to top 3 or better.

Edited November 16, 2015 by Winchester