[News] Will Hill Disagrees With Ref's Holding Call On Game-Sealing Interception

[BR News]

The Ravens safety nearly won the game in the final minute with an interception on the goal line.

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[stixfix69]

IMO it was a cheesy call, he had inside position, but....Anytime a ref sees contact, the call usually goes the Offensive players way....

[balfan23]

I am always confused on these flags in instances where the receiver clearly is the one who initiates the contact. It seems to me that a receiver strategy could be to run your route and just purposefully bang into the defender, creating illegal contact on every pass play.

 

Thank goodness this guy wasn't doing the Super Bowl on that play between Smith and Crabtree. We wouldn't have won a Super Bowl.

[reed20fence]

Compare this play and Aqib Talib's pick six from last week side-by-side and ask Blandino why one was let go and one was flagged? I bet you'll get a lot of ummms and ahhhs.

Both are contact beyond five yards but in Talib's case he initiates and cuts off the receiver, in Hill's case the TE runs into him and Hill gets position.

Either way, Oakland was already in FG range to tie the game. That flag doesn't explain the Great Gulf in zone coverage between Arrington and Darryl Smith the following play leading to the TD.

[Purple Dawg 96]

I'm with Will Hill! Keep your head up we good!

[salamander]

It looked as though Hill was hit by the receiver and that Hill was playing for the ball because the defender has an equal right to catch the ball as a WR. Unless the defensive or offensive interference is clear, the refs shouldn't throw the flag in game altering situations. Or, if a ref threw a questionable flag in a crucial situation, the other refs have the ability to confer, review the call and reverse the call if need be. The point is to get the call RIGHT and I didn't notice any effort to confer or review by the refs. Seems to be a bad call on a great play which altered the course of events at a crucial juncture of the game. We lost the game for many reasons but the correct call was a no-call.

Edited September 21, 2015 by salamander

[budman]

Bias aside, that is not called at the end of games usually. It was and it is what it is. On to next week.

[fusuymada]

I watched that play over and over and technically, it was offensive pass interference because Hill had his spot and maintained position and the receiver ran into him. After he ran into him the ball was in the air so they both had the ability to go after the ball. That was a horrible call at that time of the game. The NFL needs full time officials instead of these part time guys who have to have another job to survive. A multi billion dollar industry needs full time officials who concentrate solely on football and don't make those bad calls.

[EvilWayz]

The  flags were flying in yesterday's game. Some went in their favor and some in ours.  Timmy Jernigan with that stupid penalty he got for the hit on Derrek Carr. Ladarius Webb had his penalty, I think Jimmy Smith had one as well. Some on offense as well.

 

That call made by Marc Trestman with 2:19 left on the clock and the Oakland Raiders are down to their last timeout, and you throw the football. If we had ran that ball there, we would've got the first down and they would've had to use that timeout. We would've had full se of downs and even if the Raiders waited until after the two minute warning to use that timeout, we still would've had them.

 

I'm talking ifs, could'ves, should've, and would'ves, the most important thing is we lost. We have got to get better, if we continue this type of play, we cancel all playoff hopes. Not to mention the Super Bowl.  I hate to see us like this. We can still save face if we go out and beat the Bengals I our house because it is a division game. I just don't know how we do that with no pass rush. 

 

I hope we get this fix soon, and I'm assuming we start Jason Babin this next game. Lets get it together Ravens. We can still do this, but we have to win on the road. 

[sami]

knock knock.....who's there?......Owen.....Owen who?......0 and 2!....WAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Edited September 21, 2015 by sami

[djdave1984]

GOT A LOT OF NEGS AND COMMENTS ABOUT THIS COMMENT BACK IN SEPTEMBER. I hope fans realize that we should all stop drinking purpule cool-aid that this website and organization tries to feed us and see the reality. I don't blame the front office about a lot of things but the fact is that for last 2-3 years our highest paid players at each position have just been average and this year even worst. We had so much of dead money in cap space due to Rice and Ngata. And it's impossible to win like this. This team just does not have enough talent no matter what everyone wants to think.

"I have a really bad feeling about this season.Reasons are 1) None of the players that were expected to fill the void seem to be ready for the job..Start with Jernigan - already hyped so much, can't finish one game without being injured..2) No.1 Draf pick Perriman, no one has seen him play yet..3) So called steal of the Draft Max Williams?? No one is even mentioning him anywhere,..I have heard more stuff about Nick Boye then Williiams...4) So many WR they keep on talking about but the fact is no one has done anything eveer in their carrier.. 5) DBs and defensive backfield was thought to be upgraded..Well atleast on the preseasons games I didn't see any improveents.... 6) No one has talked anything about pass rush..I think Suggs and Dumervil are gonna show their age this season and not be as effective..Pass rush has not been present at all during preseason games.. And above all I think Coach Harbaugh is seeing the writing on the wall.. I have never seen him so frustrated so much before than in last 2 games..It is not because of media or opposition coach or anything. It's because this team has no talent that can play and stay healthy."

[whobilly]

IF,IF,IF,IF,IF......Interesting, that's the word used most often by all the teams that are 0-2.

[iceripper]

Jernigan isn't that great against the run. He seems to be only motivated if he can rush. KLM needs to see some action again. Brooks and Perriman can't get healthy enough soon.

[regz1997]

Wait, what? A DB disagrees with a holding call? That's big news! No self-respecting, responsible DB would ever disagree with a holding call. I'm really glad they wrote an article describing Will Hill's completely unique attitude towards his holding penalty. Here's an idea, how about we write an article describing the gameplan that will help us NOT give up 350 yards and 3 TDs to a marginal QB...

[rmcjacket23]

GOT A LOT OF NEGS AND COMMENTS ABOUT THIS COMMENT BACK IN SEPTEMBER. I hope fans realize that we should all stop drinking purpule cool-aid that this website and organization tries to feed us and see the reality. I don't blame the front office about a lot of things but the fact is that for last 2-3 years our highest paid players at each position have just been average and this year even worst. We had so much of dead money in cap space due to Rice and Ngata. And it's impossible to win like this. This team just does not have enough talent no matter what everyone wants to think. "I have a really bad feeling about this season.Reasons are 1) None of the players that were expected to fill the void seem to be ready for the job..Start with Jernigan - already hyped so much, can't finish one game without being injured..2) No.1 Draf pick Perriman, no one has seen him play yet..3) So called steal of the Draft Max Williams?? No one is even mentioning him anywhere,..I have heard more stuff about Nick Boye then Williiams...4) So many WR they keep on talking about but the fact is no one has done anything eveer in their carrier.. 5) DBs and defensive backfield was thought to be upgraded..Well atleast on the preseasons games I didn't see any improveents.... 6) No one has talked anything about pass rush..I think Suggs and Dumervil are gonna show their age this season and not be as effective..Pass rush has not been present at all during preseason games.. And above all I think Coach Harbaugh is seeing the writing on the wall.. I have never seen him so frustrated so much before than in last 2 games..It is not because of media or opposition coach or anything. It's because this team has no talent that can play and stay healthy."

A lot of this is very hindsight though...

[stixfix69]

Carl Davis needs more reps, he played a great game against Denver...They just need to go over the last 2 games, and see on film what combination works best....Front 7 did not impress yesterday....

[geaux_ravens]

Why aren't any in game adjustments ever made?

[Purpleghost23]

I missed carl davis too....it doents matter i personaly think he made a lot of contact on that play...but we shouldnt get on that point of the game to blame a flag for the loss...we played awful....and i know that flacco played good, but man he need to step up...make the TD bro, win like those guys that dont have defense but still scores points anytime they can, especially when your defense gets an int in the enemy territory.

[Rich McG]

The receiver ran straight into Will. What is Will suppose to do? Fall down? A terrible call. I saw it as plain as day when it happened, or on the first rerun. Yes we didn't play anywhere near par, but that doesn't excuse the incompetent refs....time and time and time again. The league knows of all the refs incompetence, but with the unions....hands are tied. So the league throws us inflategate etc.....and most fall for that crap.

[RavensBaltimore]

Hill is right. He clearly had position and the guy ran into him. Hill had every right to hold his ground, and he did nothing illegal.

[Dorota]

Wait, what? A DB disagrees with a holding call? That's big news! No self-respecting, responsible DB would ever disagree with a holding call. I'm really glad they wrote an article describing Will Hill's completely unique attitude towards his holding penalty. Here's an idea, how about we write an article describing the gameplan that will help us NOT give up 350 yards and 3 TDs to a marginal QB...

What use would a gameplan be if it was published even before the game? That would completely defy the purpose of making a gameplan in the first place.

[ravensprobowld]

Agree that it was a bad call by the refs but not the reason we lost should have never been this close of a game. Classic let down game dont worry ravens nation we will get it fixed. Imagine the d from week one and the o from week two playing at the same time. If we can get that rolling consistently we win alot of games. Happy we are back to the underdog roll its when we play best. The real problems I see are one webb cant cover. Two Arrington cant cover tall wr or te. Three this team is not built to play zone. Four blitz blitz blitz we bring it every play all game mosley/jerrigan/williams/Arrington/doom all can hit the qb but seemed to me that only doom and jerrigan were sent more than once. Forgot upshaw add him to that mix. Five when will our coaches learn how to manage the clock love john but clock management has been an issue every year fix it already. Six run more than draw plays in the run game line up power o and punish the d line for a bit get them tired so the draw plays later in game are more effective. Seven fans knock it off so what we lost the first two we haven't played a complete game yet when we do if we lose then you should gripe its early lots of young guys they will take time to grow remember jimmy smith took years to be what the coaches said he was. I trust in them to pick it up. Eight the refs need to be paid on how they call the game you make bad calls you lose money that will fix the bad calls.

[GENE2407]

I always have problems with these types of illegal contact calls and not just because it cost us the game.........the receive runs straight down the field and directly into Will Hill. I mean, what's he supposed to do?? Will initiated zero percent of that contact.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

Hill can disagree all he wants, but he clearly put his hands on the guy well past 5 yards and that is a penalty. The officials had been calling close stuff all day so why wouldn't they call something in that situation. The defense looked atrocious all day long. Jimmy Smith is clearly not 100% and is susceptible to anything deep and caused him to have to turn his hips right now. Normally he would be a lot better than he is right now, so I know the foot is still a problem. Webb looked okay, but he's far from the form when he looked like the #1 CB on the team a few years ago. The safeties as a whole played miserable. They blew coverage all day long and it looked like the secondary was never on the same page. Of course the D-Line got absolutely no pressure. Dumervil can be game planned against when Suggs isn't on the field. Upshaw did nothing as a rusher, Jernigan wasn't a force, Carl Davis I don't even think was mentioned, and Z. Smith was a non-factor. I don't know what the problem is when you have some maulers up front like we do in Williams and Canty who is adept at taking on blocks. This should free up the other guys, but they aren't stepping up. I am not really expecting much out of Babin, but he can't be worse than what I've been seeing so far.

[KellyRN]

I disagree with the REF's call. He clearly ran into Hill III (front facing). It's hard for your hands not to touch him...It was not HOLDING!!! NOPE!!!

[RavensBaltimore]

Hill can disagree all he wants, but he clearly put his hands on the guy well past 5 yards and that is a penalty.

No it isn't. Here are a couple quotes directly from the NFL rulebook:

 

Illegal contact beyond five-yard zone:

 

"A defender MAY USE HIS HANDS or arms only to defend or protect himself against impending contact caused by a receiver."

 

"A defender CANNOT INITIATE contact with a recevier"

 

The receiver clearly initiated the contact. It wasn't close or questionable at all. The Ravens did get the benefit of a lot of nit-picking calls, but by rule, Will Hill's int was 100% clean.

 

http://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2015-nfl-rulebook

(section 4, article 3)

[budkretz]

Yes a game should not to come down to a call, but the referees are getting paid quite well to do a professional job. The play is real simple. Who initiated the contact (raiders) who had position (Hill). was there contact after the tangle yes (but think back to the Super Bowl and the contact with J Smith and Crsbtree in the endzone). That ref got it right with no call and let the play run. If this is done as it should have been No matter how bad the Ravens played all Flacco does is kneel on the ball twice and we come home victorious. Does this call coat us a chance for the playoffs? We will never know but that ref will get marked down for that call.

[gooftroop]

The route was designed to draw a flag.

[Ravensfolyfe]

We seem to get called for every little thing that involves contact. Hey! let the other team run over us and just use arm tackles,don't even think about touching the qb and wrs catching uncontested balls all day.

[Crusader]

No it isn't. Here are a couple quotes directly from the NFL rulebook:

 

Illegal contact beyond five-yard zone:

 

"A defender MAY USE HIS HANDS or arms only to defend or protect himself against impending contact caused by a receiver."

 

"A defender CANNOT INITIATE contact with a recevier"

 

The receiver clearly initiated the contact. It wasn't close or questionable at all. The Ravens did get the benefit of a lot of nit-picking calls, but by rule, Will Hill's int was 100% clean.

 

http://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2015-nfl-rulebook

(section 4, article 3)

Maybe you send that to the Refs! Next time Will do something in the FIRST quarter