[News] Late For Work 9/21: Terrell Suggs Not Retiring, But Could Play Elsewhere

[jravens13]

I simply don't understand how the NFL could stack our schedule the way they did. How hard is it to schedule home and away every other week. 5 of the first 7 games on the road, and 4 west coast games, and 2 games vs Division Rivals? By the time this team has the opportunity to get things together and hit its stride it may be too late. We always play better in the 2nd half of the season, but the first half is littered with crucial games.

 

PS: It's looking like we need a pass rusher more than a WR at this time. Randy Gregory is sure looking good in the 2nd Round right now. 

Edited September 21, 2015 by jravens13

[bluehen]

Smith should have never given up on the first TD where he got beat, anything could have happened to the receiver, but he just stopped running at the 20 yd line!

[stixfix69]

I said it when the schedule came out, we are really hated, we play the division in the first 5 weeks,and i think like 1 home game in 7 out of the first 8 games....People called me crazy, but it's hard to come out of the gate fast when you have to be road warriors playing quality teams.....No other AFCN team has a away schedule like we do in the first 8.....

[rmcjacket23]

I simply don't understand how the NFL could stack our schedule the way they did. How hard is it to schedule home and away every other week. 5 of the first 7 games on the road, and 4 west coast games, and 2 games vs Division Rivals? By the time this team has the opportunity to get things together and hit its stride it may be too late. We always play better in the 2nd half of the season, but the first half is littered with crucial games.

It would literally be impossible for every team in the league to alternate home/away every single week for an entire season.

 

Its sort of funny that all of us fans (and Harbaugh included) were actually asking the NFL to schedule our west coast road games in groups so we wouldn't have to come home, which they actually did for us. Now, we lose them and everybody complains about how unfair that is.

 

I don't get it.

[bluehen]

What part of how to run the clock doesn't our offense understand, 2 incomplete passes, really! Even if we did not gain any yardage running, we would have taken significant time off the clock!

[GO_Ravens]

Dean Pees is our problem people his defensive scheme is terrible all he do is play zone defense. Why would we be sitting back playing zone with the game on the line in the red zone. That was so stupid, we have to start being more aggressive. Harbs....Pees has to go before he get you fired.

[rmcjacket23]

I said it when the schedule came out, we are really hated, we play the division in the first 5 weeks,and i think like 1 home game in 7 out of the first 8 games....People called me crazy, but it's hard to come out of the gate fast when you have to be road warriors playing quality teams.....No other AFCN team has a away schedule like we do in the first 8.....

But I think now we are just spinning the narrative to have something to complain about, because in the past, its always been about making sure the back half of our schedule is favorable, which it surely is. We are complaining about this NOW because we are 0-2 and not much great on the horizon.

 

Would you like to trade it for Pittsburgh's schedule? Look at their LAST six games... three divisions games, ALL on the road, a road game at Seattle. O, but they get two home games against two cupcakes... the Broncos and the Colts.

 

This schedule complaining is a bunch of none sense. We've had this information for months, and most of it we've had for years. Its being made a big deal of NOW because we just lost to the Raiders, we are 0-2, and when you lose to the Raiders, you can't look at your schedule and start counting barely any games, if any, as "wins". Playing in Oakland and SF didn't look all that bad a few weeks ago. A home game against Cincinnati didn't look all that bad a few weeks ago.

 

When you start 0-2 and lose to a team you shouldn't, all bets are off. This has nothing to do with an all-of-the-sudden impossible schedule. It has everything to do with this football team not playing very good football.

[BMORE = BEASTING]

Dean Pees is our problem people his defensive scheme is terrible all he do is play zone defense. Why would we be sitting back playing zone with the game on the line in the red zone. That was so stupid, we have to start being more aggressive. Harbs....Pees has to go before he get you fired.

 

Wow! John Harbaugh's name and the term "fired," in the same sentence.  That's just ABSURDITY! 

[Minionhunter]

It could have been a lot worse, we could have lost players to injury. Week two we loose another close one.

Pros:

1. Flacco looked pretty good, some issues, but pretty good and was driving pretty much at will until the end. Trestman got the offense going.

2. Jimmy looked good, sure he got burnt the first pass, but even the best corners have a hiccup.

3. Will Hill looked good.

4. Forsett looks pretty good.

5. Gillmore showed what everyone in Baltimore knew already.

6. Trestman got the offense humming, 33 should be enough to win a game. They looked hungy until the last part of the last drive.

7. The O-line kept Joe upright, still some issues, but for the most part, looked much better.

Cons:

1. Last drive (not the int. one, but the one to win it) was terrible. Either Flacco or Trestman needs to tell Joe to take all but 2-3 sec. off the clock snapping the ball when trying to kill the clock, he still had 15-17 left on at least a few snaps.

2. Not running out the clock, throwing sideline passes instead of running. The national announcer had this pegged.

3. Flacco is a little off on some passes. I think this was part due to the last game where he was getting killed, he didn't get to really get going last week and knock off real game rust, and part due to some residual line issues this game. He will get it sorted.

4. Webb looks like his injury history suggests he should look.

5. The defensive game plan looked weird, like half bend don't break, half agressive and it just plain failed. It didn't look like a Ravens D, needs more hard crushing hits. At least they tackled pretty well.

They can turn it around, but it better be this week, otherwise no losses in you last 11-12 games seems outrageous to ask.

I'm still with you Ravens, but lets right the ship quickly.

[TruRavensFan52]

Part of me kind of wants us to have a bad season only out of the hope that it will open the front offices' and harbaugh's eyes to finally get rid of Dean Pees. Oh and I'm not a huge fan of Tressman either. Hopefully the Colts fire chuck and we bring him back and hopefully we draft a talented pass rusher to be sizzles' successor. It won't be a problem since it looks like we'll be picking at least at 10 which is where we drafted sizzle.

[BMORE = BEASTING]

What part of how to run the clock doesn't our offense understand, 2 incomplete passes, really! Even if we did not gain any yardage running, we would have taken significant time off the clock!

 

I agree with you! TDs by the Ravens are awesome, and understand that's the mission.  But clock management (running it down) should have been a factor as well. 

Edited September 21, 2015 by BMORE = BEASTING

[Saxxin]

Pees needs to be more aggressive. this generic defense he plays won't cut it. Bring back controlled choas. When a 2nd QB can torch your defense that says a lot.

[Black&purple#55]

Jim Schwartz is the answer. fire Dean Pees, Baltimore means defense not playing soft. our defense looks terrible but we got the players to do it. pissed off ravens fan!

[hannah112]

Certainly don't like the prospects of going 0-4. Unless this defense gets some spark that's exactly what's going to happen.

[runcontrol]

thats two weeks in a row Steve Smith dropped game winning catchable balls ☕

 

Yeah, its hard to call out a guy that had 150yds but he seemed to have plenty of room to get his second foot down, to score that touchdown. Look at the last pass by Flacco, Smith seems to go from running to jogging.  Yes, I understand that they really didn't have time to score another touchdown but you need to try and Smith seemed to give up on his route, and that lead to an interception. Even if he didn't catch it, with that many defenders there's a good chance they would have been called for pass interference. 

[Fullblack_RAVEN]

I've seen comments since last night talking about the ravens' lack of a pass rush getting to the qb. I think i have some answers for that.

 

- The loss of suggs meant our OLB on that side wasn't being game planned the way this team is used to. The raiders didn't double our OLB on that side much if at all. That allowed for the raiders to release a TE for passing situations w/ regularity. Carr had a safety valve tight end on virtualy every play, allowing him to get the ball out fast.

 

- When jimmy smith got beat on that td (btw, amari cooper is an amazing player and will be an all pro one day. His route running is crazy & he's very fast), the ravens got scared. The ravens went super conservative and played 5-10 yards off of the wr's after that. Carr had the underneath throw all game. Amari cooper's speciality is YAC because of his elusiveness. Michael crabtree probably has the best hands of any WR in the league. They were made for the short game. Derek carr was able to get the ball out lightning fast because his wr's were open instantly. That bend but don't break coverage is stupid, especially versus a team w/ weapons built to beat such a scheme. That's the exact same reason why brady torched the ravens in the AFCCG (along w/ those cheater formations and trick plays but you get my drift).

 

- When the ravens rushed 3 on a few third downs, they thought they had an advantage. The problem is this. Who were they dropping in coverage? From what i saw, upshaw, mclellan and the rook (za'darius) dropped in coverage. Upshaw sucks at everything except for setting the edge. He can't pass rush or cover. Dropping him in coverage is foolish. Heck, having him in on passing downs is foolish. Z was an edge rusher his entire college career. He hardly dropped back. Dropping him in coverage in his first NFL game clearly wasn't going to work. Mclellan's average at every facet of the game from what i've seen. I'm not sure if doom dropped back but that was never his forte to begin with, no matter how much he said he worked on it in the offseason. My conclusion is that rushing 3 only works when the dropper is good in coverage. This team DOES NOT have that anymore so why even bother? Rush 4+ every down.

 

Dean pees is clearly under-utilizing & mismanaging the talent on this defense. The only guy i saw that got beat consistently yesterday was lardarius webb. Heck, pees even called up zone on goal line situations... lmao. Now, i'm no DC but playing off coverage on the goal line versus tight ends, very good underneath wr's and a strong, fast RB that can run after the contact is dumb, right? Their personnel called for tight coverage. Unbelievable.

 

Maybe this team needed this loss. This is even worse than that redskins loss in the superbowl season, tbh. Dean pees is lucky he isn't fired right now. The ravens had one 3 and out the entire game because of that stupid scheme. Nice. SMH.

[Bohica5]

So....Harbs has been riding the wave of Great defensive players his whole time here and now he doesn't have that he's been exposed.......in 1 game...Time for a change people....harbaugh is on his way out...terrible preparation...for a game against THE RAIDERS........seeya coach its been fun but ya gotta go!! (the raiders!!! we are going to get stomped,crushed,and put away wet the rest of the year so enjoy until we change from the top!)

[steelcityraven]

THat defensive performance was unacceptable. If it were the only one under Pees... I would simply lick my wounds and move on... but this is not an aberration... this has happened many times before under Pees... He has no answer for QBs who game plan to negate our Pass rush by utilizing 3 step drops and a quick passing game. This has been consistnet. To make matters worse... we have struggled to get off of the field on 3rd downs since he took over, once again resulting in a very lopsided TOP.... Hard to win when the TOP is that far out of line (and this is consistent under Pees). We have invested a lot of draft picks on that side of the ball (CJ, Timmy, Brooks, BWilliams, Elam, ABrown, Jimmy, Webb,) etc... and we have even went out an landed some very big FA to bolster that defense (Elvis, DSmith, WHill, KLewis, Babin, Canty)! Those are high draft picks recently and those are recent big name -highly productive FA additions). If we didn't invest them there we could have added them to the offensive side of the ball but we believe in defense and we believe in shutting teams down. That is why we make the philosophical decisions that we do.... But it does us no good to have all of that talent if we do not know how to implement it! I really believe that with the talent we have- we could bring in any DC and they would do equally as well. Wouldn't it make sense to go our and make an equal investment in a DC with a proven track record. Our defensive investment is completely negated by not making an equal investment in a DC- and DPees is not that guy. Yes... he has some good games but he his entire stint at BMORE has been marked by inconsistency.... in fact the only thing consistent about our D under Pees has been that 1. from week to week it is hard to predict how they will play. and 2. when the game is on the line... we cannot count on our defense to close it out! We have made to big of an investment on that side of the ball for that to be true but it is our reality and will continue to be our reality as long as Pees is our DC!

[omar586]

Y we lost?

1- not running the ball more.

2- Defense not pressing and pressuring the QB.

[runcontrol]

I simply don't understand how the NFL could stack our schedule the way they did. How hard is it to schedule home and away every other week. 5 of the first 7 games on the road, and 4 west coast games, and 2 games vs Division Rivals? By the time this team has the opportunity to get things together and hit its stride it may be too late. We always play better in the 2nd half of the season, but the first half is littered with crucial games.

 

PS: It's looking like we need a pass rusher more than a WR at this time. Randy Gregory is sure looking good in the 2nd Round right now. 

 

The Ravens wanted their west coast games to be together, that way they would be used to the time and couldn't use the time difference as an excuse.  Its hard to tell how much that hurt, but it sucks that they had to start the season on the west coast. Both trips should have been planned later in to the season, but you can't please everyone.  

[ksk316]

Gilmore is a beast. Him an Max Williams should be used more.

[rmcjacket23]

The Ravens wanted their west coast games to be together, that way they would be used to the time and couldn't use the time difference as an excuse.  Its hard to tell how much that hurt, but it sucks that they had to start the season on the west coast. Both trips should have been planned later in to the season, but you can't please everyone.  

But why? Why is it more beneficial to have the west coast games later in the season?

 

I still don't understand why we are so caught up in the timing of the trips. They were going to happen regardless. We pretty much know they wouldn't be the last week or two of the season, since those almost exclusively reserved for division games now. 

 

So when exactly is it a good time to have west coast trips? I don't see a time frame that's ideal, other than if we were like 8-0 or something, which again brings us back to the only reason we are saying its not a good time is because we are playing poorly.

[kmspears65]

Unfortunately what we miss is the enthusiasm that Suggs provides the team every game, it's the continual fire and emotion. Someone else is going to have to fill this role. Steve Smith tried, but more players have to get onboard!!

The drive was definitely missing from the defense, but they are going to have to find a way to get it back or it will be a very long but short season.

[bmoraven]

Well, Were the underdogs again...Maybe we can turn this thing around and prove everyone wrong.

[ryananth]

Why are we considering that Suggs would play somewhere else? What do you think the market for an almost 34 year old coming off of his second achilles injury is? The Ravens and Suggs will rework his current deal and all will be well. Suggs is loyal and hasn't forgotten that Biscotti honored his contract the last time he tore his achilles playing basketball. Biscotti could've ripped up that contract, but he didn't.

[RavensBaltimore]

Y we lost? 1- not running the ball more. 2- Defense not pressing and pressuring the QB.

Not running the ball more is the reason we scored 33 points. It's definitely not the reason we lost. Our offense had 6 scoring drives and zero 3-and-outs. Going back to last season, the offense has scored at least 30 in 3 consecutive games when they come out with an aggressive, pass heavy attack. When they try to establish a ground game with power run formations, the offense is predictable and goes on massive cold spells. After we got the passing game going, it opened up draw plays for the RBs, and we averaged far more yds/carry than we did last week, when we kept trying to run it on 1st down. Our offense always scores more points when we come out aggressive and let the pass set up the run. Unless we have a big lead late in the game, or we're playing a very weak defensive front, too many power run formations slow us down and hold us back.

[rmcjacket23]

Why are we considering that Suggs would play somewhere else? What do you think the market for an almost 34 year old coming off of his second achilles injury is? The Ravens and Suggs will rework his current deal and all will be well. Suggs is loyal and hasn't forgotten that Biscotti honored his contract the last time he tore his achilles playing basketball. Biscotti could've ripped up that contract, but he didn't.

I think its much ado about nothing.

 

I don't even think a reworked contract is going to happen or is even necessary. Suggs has no incentive to change anything, and the Ravens basically can't cut him.

 

I expect him to be back here in 2016 and angry...

[runcontrol]

So....Harbs has been riding the wave of Great defensive players his whole time here and now he doesn't have that he's been exposed.......in 1 game...Time for a change people....harbaugh is on his way out...terrible preparation...for a game against THE RAIDERS........seeya coach its been fun but ya gotta go!! (the raiders!!! we are going to get stomped,crushed,and put away wet the rest of the year so enjoy until we change from the top!)

 

I would get this if the defense had been great, but it hasn't been great for a few years.  And its on Pees to scheme against the Raiders and the players job to execute, and both Pees and the players failed.  Yes, Harbaugh gets some of the blame but nothing close to what you are saying.  

[runcontrol]

But why? Why is it more beneficial to have the west coast games later in the season?

 

I still don't understand why we are so caught up in the timing of the trips. They were going to happen regardless. We pretty much know they wouldn't be the last week or two of the season, since those almost exclusively reserved for division games now. 

 

So when exactly is it a good time to have west coast trips? I don't see a time frame that's ideal, other than if we were like 8-0 or something, which again brings us back to the only reason we are saying its not a good time is because we are playing poorly.

 

I get what you are saying but I feel like the first few weeks of the season teams are still getting used to playing with each other, against another team.  Sure practices and preseason helps but they are still feeling things out.  

 

West coast or not, its hard to start the season with two away games.  Ideally I would think a week 6-7 trip right before a bye week and a week 11-12 would be best, but that's just my personal opinion. 

[Baltimore Bandwagon]

Y we lost? 1- not running the ball more. 2- Defense not pressing and pressuring the QB.

We had to overcome ten point leads twice, never led the game at all till final couple of minutes... hard to justify much of a running game in that situation. We had to play catch up all day long thanks to the horrific defense play.