My Gameday Experience (Oakland)

[sflegend89]

Thought I would give you guys some quick hits from the game today, I was field level and got a really good look at the action from my viewpoint, some of the stuff I'm going to share was evident even watching on TV but also there were some things that I had a better look at seeing it up close live, including the Hill interception.

 

No energy on Defense: Our defense had this dull energy to them in the stadium, nobody was getting hyped or getting any of their teammates going or had any swagger, it was just going through the motions. DB's weren't even jawing at each other over blown coverages or anything, the whole vibe of our defense in that stadium was lame. The Raiders defense had energy and swagger, yeah it was a home game and they had the crowd but it's on our players to create their own juice. You think when the Seahawks defense is on the road they just go through the motions? No, they become their own hype men and feed off each other. Our defense's body language was terrible from the Amari Cooper TD on out and that was massively disappointing. The one guy who's energy you could "feel" in the stadium was Steve Smith and he was driving Raiders fans wild spinning the ball after a catch.

 

Ghost of Cam Cameron: Too much play action without enough running to set it up properly, after the first couple play actions the Raiders front 7 caught on and didn't respect the chance of a run at all because we had ran the ball so few times. The Raiders fans were openly mocking "Harbaugh" who they seemed to think was calling our plays and his predictable offense, everyone in the stadium knew what we were going to do on any given play, shades of Cam Cameron. 

 

Gilmore is a Monster: Was really cool watching him up close, he really is a physically imposing force when you see him live and the Raiders db's were intimidated by him in the open field. One of the only positives I can draw from this abomination.

 

Flacco Lacked Zip: So many of his throws were too lofty and gave db's way too much time to break on the ball. He had an easy TD for Marlon if he delivered the ball with more velocity, underthrew Aiken by about 5 yards with a huge amount of separation on what would've been a TD. Also a wide open Steve Smith on the final drive that he couldn't deliver the ball to accurately and the FG ultimately cost us the game with the defensive breakdown. Flacco needs to put more zip on his throws, we all know he has the arm strength for it. It felt like he got too caught up in trying to throw jump balls when all he needed to do was drive the ball into his target.

 

Pass Rush Non-Existent: This one is obvious but seeing it live you could really see how badly our edge rushers were getting stood up. Za'Darius Smith was totally ineffective, McClellan was ineffective, Upshaw has no pass rushing moves at all, even Doom was getting stood up and couldn't win a 1 on 1 which surprised me. Hopefully Babin will help remedy this but is was not a good sign of things to come, Suggs is more vital than I think we all realized.

 

Death By Checkdown: This is on Dean Pees. No adjustments, same old, same old. More bubble screens than you can count, getting nickel and dimed up and down the field and not even being able to hold them to FG's. Not being able to cover scrubs like Andre Holmes and Crabtree, it was embarrassing. Worst 2 minute defense in the NFL? Maybe the Giants would give us a run for our money there. When we kicked the FG Raider fans were convinced they would get a TD to win against our defense and that was maddening because I had the same exact feeling. Pees scheme is ineffective and has been thoroughly exposed.

 

One Man Show: Every WR not named Steve Smith just looked so mediocre live and I'm sure they did on TV as well. Marlon lacks burst off the line and struggles to separate badly, Campanaro looks timid, Aiken is a mixed bag and has some nice routes but also has a lot of duds and of course the bone head fumble. Waller was the one guy who looked promising and I'm shocked he didn't get more snaps, he had a PI drawn from a DB not playing the ball and hitting him early that didn't get called because Flacco underthrew him so bad. Waller deserves more opportunities. Yes we have Perriman but are we really going to deal with this anemic WR situation until he returns, we might be out of contention if we lose too many more games in the next month.

 

 

The Will Hill Interception: I'm sure this is the big thing you guys want to hear about from a field level view. I had a great look at it, it was a 50/50 call even if it was earlier in the game, but you don't give a game away on a 50/50 call in a situation like that, that is a golden rule of officiating, let the players play when the game is on the line. Had the receiver used the same amount of contact to jockey for a catch it 100% would not have been called in that situation. The flag didn't come in until the pick had already been made and Raiders fans weren't even calling for PI/holding, they thought they lost when it initially happened and that was a very telling sign of how the "vibe" was about the type of play Hill made so late in the game. It wasn't until the dust settled that they started clamoring for PI/holding. There were plenty of other instances where they were calling for a flag the instant there was contact. 

 

 

Conclusion: All in all, the Hill defensive holding was a bad call in my book but when you put your fate in the hands of the refs you deserve to lose anyway. Raiders fans are just as obnoxious and uneducated about the game as their reputation ensues. They would throw fits over the most obvious penalties and call for a PI on the most text book pass break ups (coincidentally not on the Hill pick like I mentioned). Been to Ravens games in a few visiting stadiums, this was easily the worst. Their lack of Football IQ was just asinine, like I said they thought Harbaugh was also our OC, it was like sitting around a bunch of 6 year olds who don't understand what they're watching but just know "they want their team to win!". The Broncos game was just a tough loss, this is inexcusable, heads need to roll over this travesty.

Edited September 21, 2015 by sflegend89

[K-Dog]

How was the stadium experience?

Fans ? Surrounding community?

[PoeDinkum]

Thought I would give you guys some quick hits from the game today, I was field level and got a really good look at the action from my viewpoint, some of the stuff I'm going to share was evident even watching on TV but also there were some things that I had a better look at seeing it up close live, including the Hill interception.

 

No energy on Defense: Our defense had this dull energy to them in the stadium, nobody was getting hyped or getting any of their teammates going or had any swagger, it was just going through the motions. DB's weren't even jawing at each other over blown coverages or anything, the whole vibe of our defense in that stadium was lame. The Raiders defense had energy and swagger, yeah it was a home game and they had the crowd but it's on our players to create their own juice. You think when the Seahawks defense is on the road they just go through the motions? No, they become their own hype men and feed off each other. Our defense's body language was terrible from the Amari Cooper TD on out and that was massively disappointing. The one guy who's energy you could "feel" in the stadium was Steve Smith and he was driving Raiders fans wild spinning the ball after a catch.

 

Ghost of Cam Cameron: Too much play action without enough running to set it up properly, after the first couple play actions the Raiders front 7 caught on and didn't respect the chance of a run at all because we had ran the ball so few times. The Raiders fans were openly mocking "Harbaugh" who they seemed to think was calling our plays and his predictable offense, everyone in the stadium knew what we were going to do on any given play, shades of Cam Cameron. 

 

Gilmore is a Monster: Was really cool watching him up close, he really is a physically imposing force when you see him live and the Raiders db's were intimidated by him in the open field. One of the only positives I can draw from this abomination.

 

Flacco Lacked Zip: So many of his throws were too lofty and gave db's way too much time to break on the ball. He had an easy TD for Marlon if he delivered the ball with more velocity, underthrew Aiken by about 5 yards with a huge amount of separation on what would've been a TD. Also a wide open Steve Smith on the final drive that he couldn't deliver the ball to accurately and the FG ultimately cost us the game with the defensive breakdown. Flacco needs to put more zip on his throws, we all know he has the arm strength for it. It felt like he got too caught up in trying to throw jump balls when all he needed to do was drive the ball into his target.

 

Pass Rush Non-Existent: This one is obvious but seeing it live you could really see how badly our edge rushers were getting stood up. Za'Darius Smith was totally ineffective, McClellan was ineffective, Upshaw has no pass rushing moves at all, even Doom was getting stood up and couldn't win a 1 on 1 which surprised me. Hopefully Babin will help remedy this but is was not a good sign of things to come, Suggs is more vital than I think we all realized.

 

Death By Checkdown: This is on Dean Pees. No adjustments, same old, same old. More bubble screens than you can count, getting nickel and dimed up and down the field and not even being able to hold them to FG's. Not being able to cover scrubs like Andre Holmes and Crabtree, it was embarrassing. Worst 2 minute defense in the NFL? Maybe the Giants would give us a run for our money there. When we kicked the FG Raider fans were convinced they would get a TD to win against our defense and that was maddening because I had the same exact feeling. Pees scheme is ineffective and has been thoroughly exposed.

 

One Man Show: Every WR not named Steve Smith just looked so mediocre live and I'm sure they did on TV as well. Marlon lacks burst off the line and struggles to separate badly, Campanaro looks timid, Aiken is a mixed bag and has some nice routes but also has a lot of duds and of course the bone head fumble. Waller was the one guy who looked promising and I'm shocked he didn't get more snaps, he had a PI drawn from a DB not playing the ball and hitting him early that didn't get called because Flacco underthrew him so bad. Waller deserves more opportunities. Yes we have Perriman but are we really going to deal with this anemic WR situation until he returns, we might be out of contention if we lose too many more games in the next month.

 

 

The Will Hill Interception: I'm sure this is the big thing you guys want to hear about from a field level view. I had a great look at it, it was a 50/50 call even if it was earlier in the game, but you don't give a game away on a 50/50 call in a situation like that, that is a golden rule of officiating, let the players play when the game is on the line. Had the receiver used the same amount of contact to jockey for a catch it 100% would not have been called in that situation. The flag didn't come in until the pick had already been made and Raiders fans weren't even calling for PI/holding, they thought they lost when it initially happened and that was a very telling sign of how the "vibe" was about the type of play Hill made so late in the game. It wasn't until the dust settled that they started clamoring for PI/holding. There were plenty of other instances where they were calling for a flag the instant there was contact. 

 

 

Conclusion: All in all, the Hill defensive holding was a bad call in my book but when you put your fate in the hands of the refs you deserve to lose anyway. Raiders fans are just as obnoxious and uneducated about the game as their reputation ensues. They would throw fits over the most obvious penalties and call for a PI on the most text book pass break ups (coincidentally not on the Hill pick like I mentioned). Been to Ravens games in a few visiting stadiums, this was easily the worst. Their lack of Football IQ was just asinine, like I said they thought Harbaugh was also our OC, it was like sitting around a bunch of 6 year olds who don't understand what they're watching but just know "they want their team to win!". The Broncos game was just a tough loss, this is inexcusable, heads need to roll over this travesty.

Awesome breakdown. Thanks for taking the time to post this! Hope you weren't treated too badly for your Ravens fandom by those Vader Raider fans!

[sflegend89]

How was the stadium experience?

Fans ? Surrounding community?

 

Honestly, whether we won or lost it was the worst of any NFL stadium I've been to. Stadium feels outdated and offers next to no "vibe" or fan experience (not that I'm a Raiders fan anyway but it was still just very bare bones essential type of interior). I'll just say their bad reputation proceeds them. To them it's not a football game as much as it is a social event to get liquored up and act like hooligans, the football just felt completely secondary to them.

 

There were a lot of Ravens fans there for a west coast game which was cool, the Ravens fans seated near me were all cool people and a bunch of them had good Football IQ's, we had plenty of discussions about playcalling, personnel, clock management, ect. while the Raider fans around us moronically threw hissy fits over every penalty called against them no matter how obvious and wanted a penalty on every single play that didn't go their way. Like I said, they react to the game like a 6 year old who wants his favorite team to win would. Even when the Raiders were putting together brilliant drives they were complaining "THROW IT DEEP!" "REVERSE TO COOPER" "STOP THROWING SCREENS" (while screens were working excellently for them). 

 

They're a silly bunch those Raider fans, they also reacted like they won the Superbowl, no exaggeration. Me and my friend weren't even salty walking out of the stadium, it was so over the top we were just looking at each other like "They don't win many games here do they?". 

Edited September 21, 2015 by sflegend89

[salamander]

I didn't know there were actually any stadiums left that share the field with a baseball team. Maybe I haven't paid much attention to that but it seems like decades since I have noticed a baseball field. I bet it hurts like hell to get fall on that hard dirt. Looks tacky too.

Edited September 21, 2015 by salamander

[wizard1]

Thought I would give you guys some quick hits from the game today, I was field level and got a really good look at the action from my viewpoint, some of the stuff I'm going to share was evident even watching on TV but also there were some things that I had a better look at seeing it up close live, including the Hill interception.

 

No energy on Defense: Our defense had this dull energy to them in the stadium, nobody was getting hyped or getting any of their teammates going or had any swagger, it was just going through the motions. DB's weren't even jawing at each other over blown coverages or anything, the whole vibe of our defense in that stadium was lame. The Raiders defense had energy and swagger, yeah it was a home game and they had the crowd but it's on our players to create their own juice. You think when the Seahawks defense is on the road they just go through the motions? No, they become their own hype men and feed off each other. Our defense's body language was terrible from the Amari Cooper TD on out and that was massively disappointing. The one guy who's energy you could "feel" in the stadium was Steve Smith and he was driving Raiders fans wild spinning the ball after a catch.

 

Ghost of Cam Cameron: Too much play action without enough running to set it up properly, after the first couple play actions the Raiders front 7 caught on and didn't respect the chance of a run at all because we had ran the ball so few times. The Raiders fans were openly mocking "Harbaugh" who they seemed to think was calling our plays and his predictable offense, everyone in the stadium knew what we were going to do on any given play, shades of Cam Cameron. 

 

Gilmore is a Monster: Was really cool watching him up close, he really is a physically imposing force when you see him live and the Raiders db's were intimidated by him in the open field. One of the only positives I can draw from this abomination.

 

Flacco Lacked Zip: So many of his throws were too lofty and gave db's way too much time to break on the ball. He had an easy TD for Marlon if he delivered the ball with more velocity, underthrew Aiken by about 5 yards with a huge amount of separation on what would've been a TD. Also a wide open Steve Smith on the final drive that he couldn't deliver the ball to accurately and the FG ultimately cost us the game with the defensive breakdown. Flacco needs to put more zip on his throws, we all know he has the arm strength for it. It felt like he got too caught up in trying to throw jump balls when all he needed to do was drive the ball into his target.

 

Pass Rush Non-Existent: This one is obvious but seeing it live you could really see how badly our edge rushers were getting stood up. Za'Darius Smith was totally ineffective, McClellan was ineffective, Upshaw has no pass rushing moves at all, even Doom was getting stood up and couldn't win a 1 on 1 which surprised me. Hopefully Babin will help remedy this but is was not a good sign of things to come, Suggs is more vital than I think we all realized.

 

Death By Checkdown: This is on Dean Pees. No adjustments, same old, same old. More bubble screens than you can count, getting nickel and dimed up and down the field and not even being able to hold them to FG's. Not being able to cover scrubs like Andre Holmes and Crabtree, it was embarrassing. Worst 2 minute defense in the NFL? Maybe the Giants would give us a run for our money there. When we kicked the FG Raider fans were convinced they would get a TD to win against our defense and that was maddening because I had the same exact feeling. Pees scheme is ineffective and has been thoroughly exposed.

 

One Man Show: Every WR not named Steve Smith just looked so mediocre live and I'm sure they did on TV as well. Marlon lacks burst off the line and struggles to separate badly, Campanaro looks timid, Aiken is a mixed bag and has some nice routes but also has a lot of duds and of course the bone head fumble. Waller was the one guy who looked promising and I'm shocked he didn't get more snaps, he had a PI drawn from a DB not playing the ball and hitting him early that didn't get called because Flacco underthrew him so bad. Waller deserves more opportunities. Yes we have Perriman but are we really going to deal with this anemic WR situation until he returns, we might be out of contention if we lose too many more games in the next month.

 

 

The Will Hill Interception: I'm sure this is the big thing you guys want to hear about from a field level view. I had a great look at it, it was a 50/50 call even if it was earlier in the game, but you don't give a game away on a 50/50 call in a situation like that, that is a golden rule of officiating, let the players play when the game is on the line. Had the receiver used the same amount of contact to jockey for a catch it 100% would not have been called in that situation. The flag didn't come in until the pick had already been made and Raiders fans weren't even calling for PI/holding, they thought they lost when it initially happened and that was a very telling sign of how the "vibe" was about the type of play Hill made so late in the game. It wasn't until the dust settled that they started clamoring for PI/holding. There were plenty of other instances where they were calling for a flag the instant there was contact. 

 

 

Conclusion: All in all, the Hill defensive holding was a bad call in my book but when you put your fate in the hands of the refs you deserve to lose anyway. Raiders fans are just as obnoxious and uneducated about the game as their reputation ensues. They would throw fits over the most obvious penalties and call for a PI on the most text book pass break ups (coincidentally not on the Hill pick like I mentioned). Been to Ravens games in a few visiting stadiums, this was easily the worst. Their lack of Football IQ was just asinine, like I said they thought Harbaugh was also our OC, it was like sitting around a bunch of 6 year olds who don't understand what they're watching but just know "they want their team to win!". The Broncos game was just a tough loss, this is inexcusable, heads need to roll over this travesty.

 

I really do appreciate your insights . I  hope we in Raven Nation begin to take notice of how much of a decline we are in  and decide to stand up and say this kind of football is unacceptable by Raven standards.. Some of our problems start at the top. !

[sflegend89]

I didn't know there were actually any stadiums left that share the field with a baseball team. Maybe I haven't paid much attention to that but it seems like decades since I have noticed a baseball field. I bet it hurts like hell to get fall on that hard dirt.

 

Yeah, it's where the A's play which is probably why the interior felt so empty and non-specific to the Raiders. It was quickly apparent why they've struggled so much with attendance for the last decade. There is a redeeming quality to a nice stadium like M&T, Arrowhead, QuestField, ect. that enhances your experience as a fan. It wasn't even like a mid-tier stadium... it was like a bottom dweller stadium and they've tried to get a new one built specifically for the Raiders and it's been declined time and time again and of course they've flirted with moving to LA.

 

Whatever though, I'm not here to rag on their stadium and fans, at the end of the day they thoroughly outplayed and outcoached us and we have some serious discussions to be had. I'm usually Mr. Calm and this is already a tipping point in our season where big decisions need to be made. AFC North is as strong as ever and we are quickly finding ourselves in a world of trouble.

[sflegend89]

I really do appreciate your insights . I  hope we in Raven Nation begin to take notice of how much of a decline we are in  and decide to stand up and say this kind of football is unacceptable by Raven standards.. Some of our problems start at the top. !

 

Agreed. Like I said heads need to roll after this travesty. I understand you have bad games in a season, but this wasn't just "oh we had a bad game".. this was a type of game that Ravens teams flat out don't lose, major moves need to be made or we can kiss any SB dream goodbye. To quote the great Jim Mora: "The playoffs? Don't talk about playoffs! Are you kidding me, playoffs? I just hope we can win a game!".

[Militant X 1]

Thought I would give you guys some quick hits from the game today, I was field level and got a really good look at the action from my viewpoint, some of the stuff I'm going to share was evident even watching on TV but also there were some things that I had a better look at seeing it up close live, including the Hill interception.

 

No energy on Defense: Our defense had this dull energy to them in the stadium, nobody was getting hyped or getting any of their teammates going or had any swagger, it was just going through the motions. DB's weren't even jawing at each other over blown coverages or anything, the whole vibe of our defense in that stadium was lame. The Raiders defense had energy and swagger, yeah it was a home game and they had the crowd but it's on our players to create their own juice. You think when the Seahawks defense is on the road they just go through the motions? No, they become their own hype men and feed off each other. Our defense's body language was terrible from the Amari Cooper TD on out and that was massively disappointing. The one guy who's energy you could "feel" in the stadium was Steve Smith and he was driving Raiders fans wild spinning the ball after a catch.

 

I enjoyed the entire post but this part here jumps out to me.  Many people belittle the importance of someone on the team that can inspire them to greatness!  They cheapen that by calling them..."rah-rah" people!  Smh!

 

Sure, some people are quite natured thinkers that stand around and say nothing while others are internally hyped and verbally expressive (i.e. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed Terrell Suggs and even Steve Smith, Sr. etc.) and can captivate a teams attention.  Now that there is no Ray Lewis, Ed Reed or Terrell Suggs in the lockeroom or on the field..that element is missing from this team and it shows!  Wonder who can step up naturally and be that guy?

[redlobster]

I enjoyed the entire post but this part here jumps out to me. Many people belittle the importance of someone on the team that can inspire them to greatness! They cheapen that by calling them..."rah-rah" people! Smh!

Sure, some people are quite natured thinkers that stand around and say nothing while others are internally hyped and verbally expressive (i.e. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed Terrell Suggs and even Steve Smith, Sr. etc.) and can captivate a teams attention. Now that there is no Ray Lewis, Ed Reed or Terrell Suggs in the lockeroom or on the field..that element is missing from this team and it shows! Wonder who can step up naturally and be that guy?

Overrated imo, especially when you consider that their "energized" defense gave up 33 points.

[FlackAttack]

cool thread man thanks for describing exactly what everyone saw on their TV

[sflegend89]

Overrated imo, especially when you consider that their "energized" defense gave up 33 points.

 

Yeah but consider that Oakland's secondary is one of the worst in football, it's hard to name 2 active cb's on their team but at least their defense was having fun and getting pumped whenever they would make a nice play. I'm just telling you what I saw, our body language was terrible on defense after the Cooper TD/Aiken fumble disaster. They just looked frustrated after we went down early and nobody had any juice on defense, it was like that throughout the whole game. Even on the bench the defense was smiling and acting like it was under control even after getting carved up by the likes of Andre Holmes and Michael Crabtree. There was no urgency, there was no passion, there was no fire in their belly. It was not Ravens football, that's not playing like a Raven.

Edited September 21, 2015 by sflegend89

[Maryland]

I actually thought the holding call on Hill's INT was fine. Looked like he hooked him to me. Idk, I'd have to re-watch it. 

 

I can believe everything else you described though. Especially the WR struggles. Seems like the only guy Joe can rely on is SSS. Hope we draft a WR high in 2016. 

[allblackraven]

Appreciate the time you took to write this up. Pretty disappointing outcome after they managed to put a lock on Denver O. That D did not look like Ravens D.

[usmccharles]

I really do appreciate your insights . I  hope we in Raven Nation begin to take notice of how much of a decline we are in  and decide to stand up and say this kind of football is unacceptable by Raven standards.. Some of our problems start at the top. !

I think the problem is that we had elite talent at certain positions for years on the defensive side of the ball ie Ray, Ed, Ngata, Suggs so it wasnt hard to find role players just to plug in and could make a difference because so little was asked of them which in return masked the offensive issues we have had.  Now, None of them are here and guys are being asked to do way more than they are capable of simply because they lack the talent. 

 

So then the question becomes in Ozzie's philosphy of draft pick hoarding and refusing to pay certain players and the ones we do pay get hit with the injury bug or decide to hit their wife.  Pitta, Webb, Rice contracts come to mind which i guess you cant fault Ozzie for making those decisions at the time but now, obviously doesnt seem very good.  I made a thread about draft pick value being over-rated, not saying i agree, but maybe to an extent.  I know this isnt madden and there is a salary cap, but i know some of us ravens fans just get blown away when we see player X traded for X round draft pick and we are over here like, yea i'd do that all day.  In no way am i bailing on Oz but i think his philopshpy isnt going to stand tough without the likes of having a Ray, Ed, Suggs, Ngata to anchor the team.  And now we have to face a scary scary fact which isnt out of the question, if Suggs retires....what are we left with?  D.Smith cant have that much longer either. 

[RavensFanMania]

very nice write up.  I've heard that about the Raider fans as well.  I certainly hope we put things together AND FAST as we have three divisional games in a row.  Would be nice to be 3-2 after that.  I called for 4-4 at the break.  If we can be 4-4 at the break we should be good to go with plenty of home games down the stretch.

[wizard1]

I think the problem is that we had elite talent at certain positions for years on the defensive side of the ball ie Ray, Ed, Ngata, Suggs so it wasnt hard to find role players just to plug in and could make a difference because so little was asked of them which in return masked the offensive issues we have had.  Now, None of them are here and guys are being asked to do way more than they are capable of simply because they lack the talent. 

 

So then the question becomes in Ozzie's philosphy of draft pick hoarding and refusing to pay certain players and the ones we do pay get hit with the injury bug or decide to hit their wife.  Pitta, Webb, Rice contracts come to mind which i guess you cant fault Ozzie for making those decisions at the time but now, obviously doesnt seem very good.  I made a thread about draft pick value being over-rated, not saying i agree, but maybe to an extent.  I know this isnt madden and there is a salary cap, but i know some of us ravens fans just get blown away when we see player X traded for X round draft pick and we are over here like, yea i'd do that all day.  In no way am i bailing on Oz but i think his philopshpy isnt going to stand tough without the likes of having a Ray, Ed, Suggs, Ngata to anchor the team.  And now we have to face a scary scary fact which isnt out of the question, if Suggs retires....what are we left with?  D.Smith cant have that much longer either. 

 

Agreed and I think we are going to have to bottom out before any significant change happens. With 0-4 a stark reality I think we start with Trestman. He was dysfunctional in Chicago and now look whats happening here. I can't put it all on Trestman but sooner or later one has to look at the whole coaching staff. Ozzie is great but Oz is old and his ideas and philosophies have not changed with the way football is changing. Harbaugh has done an amazing job but he doesn't have the same look this year  instead almost has " the deer in the headlights " look.  I have no idea where this road is going to lead but where there's smoke there's fire.

[52N19]

good summary. its amazing how brandon Williams could go from stud to dud in one week.

[52N19]

Yeah but consider that Oakland's secondary is one of the worst in football, it's hard to name 2 active cb's on their team but at least their defense was having fun and getting pumped whenever they would make a nice play. I'm just telling you what I saw, our body language was terrible on defense after the Cooper TD/Aiken fumble disaster. They just looked frustrated after we went down early and nobody had any juice on defense, it was like that throughout the whole game. Even on the bench the defense was smiling and acting like it was under control even after getting carved up by the likes of Andre Holmes and Michael Crabtree. There was no urgency, there was no passion, there was no fire in their belly. It was not Ravens football, that's not playing like a Raven.

 

 

maybe pees needs to get out of the press box and down on the field.

[The Mom Gene]

NICE Legend...  Very Nice, indeed... 

[The Mom Gene]

Has anybody given any thought to the possibility that...  The defense played lights out in Denver, and the Offense looked BAD....  that maybe they were so over-confident that they just took all of that stuff for granted??????  Not making excuses, but people asked "how can they go from stud to dud in one week"?    Just thinkin.....  very real possibility.

[usmccharles]

Has anybody given any thought to the possibility that... The defense played lights out in Denver, and the Offense looked BAD.... that maybe they were so over-confident that they just took all of that stuff for granted?????? Not making excuses, but people asked "how can they go from stud to dud in one week"? Just thinkin..... very real possibility.

if we would have won in Denver I would agree with you. But you would think the team would know starting like this and going back to take on the bengals is not a good place to be In considering how the Bengals have our number.

[The Mom Gene]

if we would have won in Denver I would agree with you. But you would think the team would know starting like this and going back to take on the bengals is not a good place to be In considering how the Bengals have our number.

I agree with that too.

[jimmypowder]

Has anybody given any thought to the possibility that...  The defense played lights out in Denver, and the Offense looked BAD....  that maybe they were so over-confident that they just took all of that stuff for granted??????  Not making excuses, but people asked "how can they go from stud to dud in one week"?    Just thinkin.....  very real possibility.

We should have lost by 20 in Denver. Manning had Webb beat multiple times for td's but overthrew the receiver. That would

never have happened years ago .

 

The score should have been around 30-13. 

 

Our defense is not as good as it appeared in the Denver game. The Oakland game is a truer reflection of our defensive ability.

 

Flacco is gonna have to light it up for us to win this year.

Edited September 21, 2015 by jimmypowder

[Judd McPherson]

good summary. its amazing how brandon Williams could go from stud to dud in one week.

He was taking up double and triple teams the entire game.  Isn't that the value of a great Nose Tackle?  The Raiders obviously watched the game film against the Broncos and dedicated 2-3 players to containing him on every play.  The real question is why didn't we capitalize with our players that weren't covered because of the double/triple teams on BW? 

[ravensdfan]

He was taking up double and triple teams the entire game.  Isn't that the value of a great Nose Tackle?  The Raiders obviously watched the game film against the Broncos and dedicated 2-3 players to containing him on every play.  The real question is why didn't we capitalize with our players that weren't covered because of the double/triple teams on BW? 

Pees was dropping LBs into coverage like crazy. Upshaw, Mosley & D. Smith. I know it wasn't constant but it was so frequent it seemed like it.

[Dfence4champs2052]

Great breakdown!!! I'm super jealous. I'm at Fort Irwin and was hoping to make it to one of the West Coast games, but it's looking like a stretch. Good stuff representing for those of us who can't!

[RobertSp]

Great job on the game recap, it was spot on.There are alot of so called experts on TV you could replace. Just one partial disagreement on Raider fans, you have to realize that with the crap teams this fan base has had to indure for all these years, every win IS like we won the superbowl. Been to 49er games as a Raider fan and was glad to get out of there with my life, hope you comeback sometime loved the article !