[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts vs. Raiders

[jdritsch]

Was anyone else really pissed with the play calling after the pick? There was 2:30 mins left and it was second down on the raiders 15. The raiders had one time out left. A run play would have made it gone down to the two min warning, and another run would have made Oakland use there last time out if the ravens didn%u2019t get a first down. This would at least make the pressure much more real instead of throwing 2 incomplete passes and stopping the clock. I thought Marc, Joe and John did not play strategy at the end

[Maryland]

Good teams beat the Raiders. This may be the biggest upset we've surrendered since the loss in Jacksonville on MNF.

[RavensBaltimore]

Was anyone else really pissed with the play calling after the pick? There was 2:30 mins left and it was second down on the raiders 15. The raiders had one time out left. A run play would have made it gone down to the two min warning, and another run would have made Oakland use there last time out if the ravens didn’t get a first down. This would at least make the pressure much more real instead of throwing 2 incomplete passes and stopping the clock. I thought Marc, Joe and John did not play strategy at the end

The plays that were called in that situation were the plays that should have been called. Running into a run blitz and flat out giving them the ball back with 2 mins would have been a horrible idea. Our defense showed no signs of being able to stop them, and 2 mins is plenty of time to kick a FG and possibly get a TD, and even if you hold them to a FG, our offense may not have seen the ball again if we lost the coin toss. Instead of playing not to lose and giving them the ball back, we went for the TD, and we had an open WR in the endzone. It was the execution, not the playcalling, that cost us. Without knowing the outcome of the situation, would you rather have an open receiver in the endzone for a chance at a 7 point lead, or would you rather run into a run blitz, needing 8 yds on 2 plays, and then give the ball back, up only 3, with 2 mins to go, with a defense that had been dominated all day?

[budkretz]

The game came down to the Ravens last drive and a stupid assinine call on 2nd down by Trestman on a pass play that stopped the clock and for a 2nd week a pass to SSS is all so close but incomplete on 3rd down. If nothing else you run 2nd and 3rd down and then if you go for the FG there's only one minute or less left. But with 2 minutes left we put the game into the hands of our Guru DC Dean Pees. As per usual the Ravens play oh so soft and let Oakland come up the field. Jernigan's late hit hurt, but the last call on Hill for holding was bull#$@&. Re run the play, the receiver goes into Hill and initiated the contact. Hill had position on him. It should have been a no call and the interception should have stood. Yes the Raiders got more penalties called but it's where and when. The Ravens had 5 calls against our DBs and the Raiders but 1. Those 5 calls kept drives alive and gave the Raiders a lay up for their last score. But that call alone didn't cost us the game Pees did!!!!!! He has no imagination, he cannot make adjustments in games, he still uses a 3 man rush 3 to 5 times a game and the Ravens have little or no luck stooping the opposing team in those situations, on 3rd and short are CBs line up 8 to 10 yards off. Yes they were using a 3 and 5 step drop but a well timed safety or corner blitz where our player gets through can be very disruptive. Hit the qb hard and drop him on his butt and throws start going awry. I don't remember the last time I've seen us try it. All Pees does is sit up in the pressbox and lose us games. Pees do us a favor RETIRE!

Ozzie needs to find a playmaker on offense. We'll be lucky to see Perriman by October and he'll need a month or so to get up to speed (if by then) I don't know who's out there, but I'm willing to give up a high draft choice to bring someone in that can give us a spark. SSS can't do it all by himself!

[terpmaniac]

Ravens do this crap nearly every year under Harbaugh. EVERY DAMN YEAR! We lose to a crappy team we have no business losing too. Jacksonville, Buffalo, Cleveland(after beating them 10 straight times) Chicago a string of ineptitude plagued franchises that seem to bring out the worst in this team and now we can add Oakland to the list.

[ravlivie]

The team & the coaches should be embarrassed. Poorly coached & poorly played. This is not

a Ravens team. Looks like we go 0 & 6 in our division.

[Ravens8383]

Once again the Ravens play down to the team they are playing.

[Cillmatic]

Harbs is gonna give Jernigan hell

[law215]

When your front office misses on draft picks and then let go of other players, eventually you become a crappy team. Elam =bust, Cody=bust, Kindle=bust, Torrey=let go, KO=let go?, A brown=bust, Perriman=??,Oher=bust, Rice=let go, although on decline, Upshaw=solid but no pro bowl just a run stuffer at OLB. This is just since 2008. When you miss on 1st and 2nd rounders and can't retain the solid players, eventually you become a bad team. After 2000, we start letting guys go and it took 12 years to get back. I hope this isn't a repeat.

[Purple Dawg 96]

Getting hit in the mouth like this out the gate this team gonna take off the gloves now and Wreak Havoc! LETS GO!

[teddyw]

You forgot one point Eisenberg. The final drive we could have taken the 2 minute warning and Oaklands final timeout away from them by running the football 2 more times. That is the worst case. Best case we could have run for 6 yards and gotten another first down and the game is virtually over (in our favor). How can you overlook this in your five thoughts? Coaching, coaching, coaching.

[DGrudski]

Headline: For the second week in a row, the Ravens snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Mr. Jernigan. As a "reward" for your bonehead hit on Mr. Carr, this week your job is to line up in a three-point stance at the 35 yard line, perpendicular to the field, just outside of the sideline, at each kickoff. Then, after Tucker kicks the ball, run straight out to the tee, pick it up, run straight back to the sideline, without hitting anybody. (By the way, Mr. Jernigan, you owe me a new 50" tv since the one I have now has a huge pizza stain in the middle of it)

And since everyone seems to feel these "professionals" are nothing without Suggs, Lewis, or Reed, I have a suggestion for the front office: Since there is no salary cap on staff, hire one of these guys to be in the locker room and/or on the sidelines as "Chief Hand Holder" or "Head Emotional Lifter Upper" or "Team Butt Kicker". That should head off any more "excuses" for mediocre play or ineffective coaching.

Hmmm. Does anyone else detect a note of sarcasm here? Nah. Not me.

[teddyw]

The plays that were called in that situation were the plays that should have been called. Running into a run blitz and flat out giving them the ball back with 2 mins would have been a horrible idea. Our defense showed no signs of being able to stop them, and 2 mins is plenty of time to kick a FG and possibly get a TD, and even if you hold them to a FG, our offense may not have seen the ball again if we lost the coin toss. Instead of playing not to lose and giving them the ball back, we went for the TD, and we had an open WR in the endzone. It was the execution, not the playcalling, that cost us. Without knowing the outcome of the situation, would you rather have an open receiver in the endzone for a chance at a 7 point lead, or would you rather run into a run blitz, needing 8 yds on 2 plays, and then give the ball back, up only 3, with 2 mins to go, with a defense that had been dominated all day?

I respectfully and completely disagree.  The defense playing poorly all day is the prime reason that taking away the other teams 2 mins warning and final timeout were a necessity on that final drive.  Even a screen play with a high prob completion if you are worried about the blitz and "running into it".  Come on man.  They scored a TD with 26 seconds left in the game.  I absolutely think that if we would have kicked that FG with 1:55 left on the clock and zero timeouts or 2 mins warning for Oakland that we could have taken away the sidelines and held them to a field goal due to running out of time.  I know that is playing for overtime but it's certainly better than playing for a loss.  I have to completely disagree with you on this and agree with the original commenter.  Coaching lost that game in the end.  The players lost it up to that point, but poor decision making is what got us in the end on the play calling.

[TheRavengers]

Week 1: Offense doesn't exist, Defense plays like a monster

Week 2: Offense plays like a monster, Defense doesn't exist.

Week 3: Pending.

That's basically how I see things right now.

[drillem]

I've often thought these games are 'decided' by the officials who can make or break a teams win with one or two key penalties. We all know which I'm referring to. This crew seemed to be 'penalty happy' often interrupting the flow of the game with calls that never seem to happen to teams like the Pats or Broncos. Officials can make the offense or defense look bad in a game with calls they make during the game. Giving a win (or loss) to a team here and there keeps all teams competitive and give fans in each city a reason to return the following week. Now I'm not saying there's hanky-panky going on, but...

Couple that with scheduling a team 2 openers out west in a row away from home...

Try sleeping in a hotel for a week and then playing a professional football game up to normal speed... Ever stay in a hotel for a week while on business or vacation? The 'experiment' may not be repeated by management in the future.

Harbaugh looked like he hadn't slept in days during his presser last night. Not to make excuses but Cincy and Pburgh had at least one of their first 2 games at home.

Eisenberg sounds like the sky is falling. Maybe it is but the season isn't over yet.

[ReginaldColeman1]

It looked like Del Rio was engaged in the game. He looked like a leader. Harbs looked like the proverbial "hair on fire" guy. Leadership flows from the top down. You hear about their record under Harbs. I hear about Suggs, Ed and Ray. Haloti is gone. Those days are gone. Now we'll see how it is to coach. There's certainly enough talent but maybe the FO has missed out on replenishing positions before it's too late. A home win against the Bengals as far out as that seems can change the season. Redemption time.

[BigUgly]

The Ravens performance in the last two regular season games is a carry over of their wildly inconsistent and underwhelming pre-season. For Harbs' reputation for having some of the most challenging camps, the team looked gassed yesterday to boot. At this rate, Ravens nation may have to look forward to actually having a top-10 pick in the 2016 draft for an unwelcome change.

[Halshayeji]

1. Does anyone REALLY think this team can beat the Bengals?

2. Does anyone REALLY think this team can beat the Steelers after what they did today and will have Bell back?

3. Did we just watch a defense that was a little full of itself after playing bend but don't break against noodle arm Manning and thought they had the talent on the outside to play man coverage?

4. Anyone that discounts Suggs role just needs to know that he usually draws double coverage allowing others to create pressure. Without him it's hat on a hat blocking and we suck.

5. All that said, if we can put toghether an offensive perfomance like today's and get Perriman back, and get our humility and focus back on defense, we can still be an amazing team worthy of being inheritors of the black and purple of Lewis, Reed, Suggs and Ngata.

Quick Hits -- this isn't your thuggish, hittem hard and take no prisoners Ravens team of old. I fear those days may be gone now.

 

1- No comment. We lost to the Raiders.....

2- No comment. WE LOST TO THE RAIDERS!!!

3- I don't care how full of yourself you are. Allowing a second year QB to torch you like that is shameful. Allowing crabtree and cooper to look like Calvin Johnson and Dez Bryant is just embarrassing.

4- Suggs is irreplaceable. Suggs and Ngata were 2 guys that Coordinators had to game plan against every game. Stats alone never gave them justice. Thus making everyone around them better. Both are gone. Someone needs to step up an cause havoc on the line.

5- Upshaw, W.Hill, J.Smith, Doom, Jernigan, B.Williams, L.Webb, and Mosley all need to play like potential pro bowlers if we even dream of having our "nasty back"

[jravens13]

We need more vocal veteran leaders on this team. Guys who can hold things together when things are falling apart and motivate the people around them. Suggs and Smith are not enough. I was watching the spread of this game and surprisingly we were only 4.5 pt favorites. I thought that was a little strange since we stayed out west and practiced all week. This game, IMO was officiated to keep the score close. Don't know if that has to do with Vegas or "NFL Parody" but it certainly could have been called different by the zebras. If we lose one of our next two games we are 1-3 and 2 games back in the division. Oh yeah, we play cinnci and pitt.

[WNC-Raven]

It's only game 2 but I am not a fan of Tresman's play calling at all. Is it the QB whisperer's influence that has Joe floating balls all over the field instead of delivering strikes?

[outkast1]

It's only game 2 but I am not a fan of Tresman's play calling at all. Is it the QB whisperer's influence that has Joe floating balls all over the field instead of delivering strikes?

No ! Flacco has been under throwing his entire career and he did enough to win the game.Defense looks like trash.

[Doomville]

every single year we have at least 1 absolutely sh!t game like this against bad opponents or either have a bad stretch of games. At this point, it has to be the coaching that is a problem. The defense philosophy "bend but break" is a horrible one, it should be about dominating the offense not slowing them ugh ray lewis was the one holding the defense together, now it's who knows since even suggs is out

[KidNme]

I would love being a CB or safety playing the Ravens because I would have as much chance at catching balls as their intended receivers. If the ball is over 10yds, it seems to need to be a lob pass? I just feel that even I can throw a ball in the air and hope for the best but if that were the case, I don't think I should be making $120 mil! I think it's time to put a fire under Joe's butt and get Renner in there. Would we still be 0-2? Maybe but at least there would be a chance at some potential. If Joe was half as accurate as he's supposed to be, there were a couple of TD's left in the air. Add 14points and we win. Add the 7 we didn't get in the last seconds of the game with like 6 shots at the end zone and we win. I'm just calling out the emperors new clothes!

[steelraven]

Ladarius Webb sucks,Timmy Jernigan was a product of who was around him, hell the whole defense is a product of who was around them, from the front 7 to the back end with the exception of CJ Mosley he can actually play. The foundation of this team is gone, sooner or later when you push the envelope to far it hits the floor. The Ravens push the envelope a little too far this time, letting players go and not resigning players and it's come back to haunt them.

[WNC-Raven]

No ! Flacco has been under throwing his entire career and he did enough to win the game.Defense looks like trash.

No! He did not. We lost the game. You cant say that 33 points is enough to win and then blame the defense. It took NE 40 to beat BUF and thats what they got. What I am refering to is a noticable technique change in the way Joe is throwing the ball and it is really bad.

[ravenmark]

1. Coaching. Should have went for a Touchdown the way our defense was playing.

2. Our defense no pass rush and playing soft.

3. Passes inaccurate, under thrown, over thrown!!

[regz1997]

I swear to God, if I have to watch our defense surrender a last minute touchdown to a bottom-feeder team in M&T Bank Stadium, I'll brush my teeth with a brick

[Purple Hazard]

Since Pagano left, I always thought that our defense played too soft at times. Pees sure is a good DC but sometimes I feel like we don't play the aggressive Ravens D that we want to see. We looked confused and overpowered on sunday and we had no answers for anything... and why the hell didn't we get Babin ready?

[Drew P]

The Patriots shredded Pee's short pass defensive scheme, done in playoff game with HOF Tom Brady. The Oakland Raiders shredded Pee's short pass defensive scheme with Derek Carr. This is about Pee's, not Suggs. And about Harbaugh if Pee's can't answer.

 

Correct, the book is out. The CB's play 10-12 yards off the LOS its easy pickings

[Drew P]

It's only game 2 but I am not a fan of Tresman's play calling at all. Is it the QB whisperer's influence that has Joe floating balls all over the field instead of delivering strikes?

 

The long ball was there yesterday so what did they do to start the second half? They threw 2 passes in a row behind the LOS...SMH