Bisciotti can't be happy

[Dfence4champs2052]

Seems like we are steaming toward doing it Bisciotti's way. We are facing the reality of missing the playoffs for 2 out of 3 seasons.

[ratedr]

Seems like we are steaming toward doing it Bisciotti's way. We are facing the reality of missing the playoffs for 2 out of 3 seasons.

How fortunate are we that the Chargers choked against the Chiefs backups last year? Would be 3 for 3 since the SB.

[BirdWatcher]

Seems like we are steaming toward doing it Bisciotti's way. We are facing the reality of missing the playoffs for 2 out of 3 seasons.

We are doing it his way. he's the one that wants to let very good players leave in free agency and replace them with "almost as good" for less money.

[Dfence4champs2052]

How fortunate are we that the Chargers choked against the Chiefs backups last year? Would be 3 for 3 since the SB.

Sheesh...no kidding. That's paper bag worthy.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Steve, your letting this cheap out rebuilding thing happen so much, it has caught up to us and we have lost continuity....had we kept corey graham, even carey williams, our cbs would be set, even with a struggling webb

[Guest]

We are doing it his way. he's the one that wants to let very good players leave in free agency and replace them with "almost as good" for less money.

 

There is a clear problem with that though. When you know you are letting a good player go, how do you determine if the cheaper player is almost as good?

 

Seriously, who makes that determination? Because as it applies to Safeties and Wide Receivers that person is failing. (Excepting Steve Smith and Will Hill.) If it's Steve B, can we really afford him?

 

The Cheatriots do something similar. They switch to cheaper personnel and don't miss a beat, but they rely upon their QB more than we do. Can Flacco bring along receivers that he doesn't know like Tom Br*dy? Can our coaches get as much out of a cheaper Free Agent WR as the Cheatriot coaches?  Can our Front Office evaluate as well as the Cheatriot Front Office?

 

I think the answer to those questions is pretty clear. If we can't do it their way, why destroy your chances trying?

[salamander]

Bisciotti is 1 of the league's least intrusive owners in the NFL. However, I would bet Steve has already started some conversations. If things don't improve quickly, I would expect Bisciotti to be actively ready to take action like he did with Cam mid-season rather than wait for the off-season. Don't know if it will go as far as wanting to replace Pees but his patience must be beginning to wear thin.

Edited September 29, 2015 by salamander

[The Mom Gene]

Bisciotti is 1 of the league's least intrusive owners in the NFL. However, I would bet Steve has already started some conversations. If things don't improve quickly, I would expect Bisciotti to be actively ready to take action like he did with Cam mid-season rather than wait for the off-season.

I definitely agree with that.  He's not going to sit around and watch an entire season dribble away.

[rmcjacket23]

There is a clear problem with that though. When you know you are letting a good player go, how do you determine if the cheaper player is almost as good?

 

Seriously, who makes that determination? Because as it applies to Safeties and Wide Receivers that person is failing. (Excepting Steve Smith and Will Hill.) If it's Steve B, can we really afford him?

 

The Cheatriots do something similar. They switch to cheaper personnel and don't miss a beat, but they rely upon their QB more than we do. Can Flacco bring along receivers that he doesn't know like Tom Br*dy? Can our coaches get as much out of a cheaper Free Agent WR as the Cheatriot coaches?  Can our Front Office evaluate as well as the Cheatriot Front Office?

 

I think the answer to those questions is pretty clear. If we can't do it their way, why destroy your chances trying?

The FO makes that determination. Or, in essence, a compilation of Ozzie, DeCosta, maybe a little bit of input from Harbaugh, and the talent evaluation area which probably has multiple people working for it, i.e. scouts, etc.

[salamander]

I definitely agree with that.  He's not going to sit around and watch an entire season dribble away.

In reality, how could an owner sit on his hands and let his multi-billion dollar business crash and burn before his eyes and decide to do nothing to stop the carnage? Steve may be very low key but he has shown that he will take action when necessary.

[rmcjacket23]

Bisciotti is 1 of the league's least intrusive owners in the NFL. However, I would bet Steve has already started some conversations. If things don't improve quickly, I would expect Bisciotti to be actively ready to take action like he did with Cam mid-season rather than wait for the off-season. Don't know if it will go as far as wanting to replace Pees but his patience must be beginning to wear thin.

Disagree entirely. 

 

1. Steve had nothing to do with Cam being fired. By all accounts, he wasn't even consulted about it. I'm not sure why fans keep this myth alive. It should have died right around the same time the old "Harbaugh mutiny" theory was debunked.

 

2. He's been the majority owner since 2004, and he's seen teams have poor seasons and he did relatively nothing about it mid-season (see 2007). He may have made some significant changes after the season, which would still be a possibility, but I think fans have this incredibly big misconception that because Harbaugh fired Cam Cameron midseason in 2012 that anytime this team is in a rut that somebody is going to make some huge decision midseason in an effort to turn it around.

 

I don't see it happening, and I'm honestly not sure why fans do either. If things continue the way they are, then its entirely possible a significant change in the offseason or two will occur, but I think fans are just assuming because we literally made ONE  major change midseason in basically the last decade that it means that's always going to happen.

 

Not to mention those were two completely different scenarios.

[rmcjacket23]

In reality, how could an owner sit on his hands and let his multi-billion dollar business crash and burn before his eyes and decide to do nothing to stop the carnage? Steve may be very low key but he has shown that he will take action when necessary.

Because that's a fan perspective, not an owner perspective.

 

The Ravens will likely be more profitable and make more revenue this season than they did in 2014, regardless of the W/L record. The dirty little secret that fans don't like to hear... owners like money more than winning. Every single one of them. They like winning a lot too, but there isn't an owner in this league who likes winning more than money.

 

His business isn't even remotely crashing and burning by any possible financial standard. The play on the football field might be, but he hires smart people to take care of that for him. 

[salamander]

Steve Bisciotti is the owner and made his concerns known regarding Cam at the time and I am confident will be part of FO discussions regarding the current problems if and when it becomes necessary.

[Tru11]

Disagree entirely. 

 

1. Steve had nothing to do with Cam being fired. By all accounts, he wasn't even consulted about it. I'm not sure why fans keep this myth alive. It should have died right around the same time the old "Harbaugh mutiny" theory was debunked.

 

2. He's been the majority owner since 2004, and he's seen teams have poor seasons and he did relatively nothing about it mid-season (see 2007). He may have made some significant changes after the season, which would still be a possibility, but I think fans have this incredibly big misconception that because Harbaugh fired Cam Cameron midseason in 2012 that anytime this team is in a rut that somebody is going to make some huge decision midseason in an effort to turn it around.

 

I don't see it happening, and I'm honestly not sure why fans do either. If things continue the way they are, then its entirely possible a significant change in the offseason or two will occur, but I think fans are just assuming because we literally made ONE  major change midseason in basically the last decade that it means that's always going to happen.

 

Not to mention those were two completely different scenarios.

 

fans think you can fire a DC and then hire a new guy to install a brand new scheme within a week   

 

i think most dont even know that when cam got fired we kept his scheme and playbook and the only real changes where caldwell using different plays from that book and most importantly gave flacco more freedom to adjust.

 

if Pees gets fired we will still used his scheme and playbook for the remainder of the season......

[Tru11]

Steve Bisciotti is the owner and made his concerns known regarding Cam at the time and I am confident will be part of FO discussions regarding the current problems if and when it becomes necessary.

 

he wont be going over his FO and HC head to fire Pees though.

 

that would mean he will be cleaning house firing everyone basicially....

[SomeCreepinaVan]

How fortunate are we that the Chargers choked against the Chiefs backups last year? Would be 3 for 3 since the SB.

Even the Superbowl year we nearly missed the playoffs without the lucky 4th and 29 play against SD.

Edited September 29, 2015 by SomeCreepinaVan

[salamander]

he wont be going over his FO and HC head to fire Pees though.

 

that would mean he will be cleaning house firing everyone basicially....

I agree, Steve would never go over the heads of other FO and HC personnel. Not saying that at all. However, any responsible business owner will give his opinions and discuss options collectively when needed Edited September 29, 2015 by salamander

[Dr. Kelley]

fans think you can fire a DC and then hire a new guy to install a brand new scheme within a week

i think most dont even know that when cam got fired we kept his scheme and playbook and the only real changes where caldwell using different plays from that book and most importantly gave flacco more freedom to adjust.

if Pees gets fired we will still used his scheme and playbook for the remainder of the season......

Seriously, where in this thread or anywhere else did you see anyone post that we will hire a new dc and install the system in a week?

[salamander]

Because that's a fan perspective, not an owner perspective.

 

The Ravens will likely be more profitable and make more revenue this season than they did in 2014, regardless of the W/L record. The dirty little secret that fans don't like to hear... owners like money more than winning. Every single one of them. They like winning a lot too, but there isn't an owner in this league who likes winning more than money.

 

His business isn't even remotely crashing and burning by any possible financial standard. The play on the football field might be, but he hires smart people to take care of that for him.

Don't presume you have any clue what my perspective is, which actually is not that of a fan. Your posts always have a condescending tone to any opinion other than your own. I am a business owner and my perspective reflects that a responsible owner would and should do. Please refrain from commenting on my posts. I have no desire to engage in inflammatory discussions with you. Not impressed Edited September 29, 2015 by salamander

[ratedr]

Even the Superbowl year we nearly missed the playoffs without the lucky 4th and 29 play against SD.

Ehh this is a myth, we clinched the playoffs that year early in week 15 (and it wasn't even because we won, we were blown out by Denver that day. We clinched because Dallas beat Pittsburgh). I don't think any team that rests their starters week 17 "barely" makes the playoffs.

 

Just felt the need to correct that.

[rmcjacket23]

Don't presume you have any clue what my perspective is, which actually is not that of a fan. Your posts always have a condescending tone to any opinion other than your own. I am a business owner and my perspective reflects the perspective that a responsible owner would and should have. Please refrain from commenting on my posts. I have no desire to engage in inflammatory discussions with you. Not impressed

But that's the only possible perspective there is when you say "the business is crashing and burning". Because the business isn't even remotely crashing and burning... its actually doing the exact opposite of crashing and burning... its prospering and thriving.

 

Winning football games really isn't even the business Steve Bisciotti is in, and he'd be the first to tell you that.

[Tru11]

I agree, Steve would never go over the heads of other FO and HC personnel. Not saying that at all. However, any responsible business owner will give his opinions and discuss options collectively when needed

 

yeah no doubt he will offer his opinion on this.

 

Seriously, where in this thread or anywhere else did you see anyone post that we will hire a new dc and install the system in a week?

 

im quite sure fans have been crying all over the board for a new DC and new scheme.

or promote from within and use a new scheme.

i have yet to see anyone say fire pees but keep the scheme lol

 

you missed all the fire pees talk  ?

[Dr. Kelley]

yeah no doubt he will offer his opinion on this.

im quite sure fans have been crying all over the board for a new DC and new scheme.

or promote from within and use a new scheme.

i have yet to see anyone say fire pees but keep the scheme lol

you missed all the fire pees talk ?

I saw the fire pees talk but I didn't see anyone expect a new dc come in and install a new defense in a week

[rmcjacket23]

yeah no doubt he will offer his opinion on this.

 

 

im quite sure fans have been crying all over the board for a new DC and new scheme.

or promote from within and use a new scheme.

i have yet to see anyone say fire pees but keep the scheme lol

 

you missed all the fire pees talk  ?

I doubt he really even offers his opinion. I mean... what opinion is there to give?

 

At best, it would probably involve Steve asking John what he thinks about his coordinators, and there would be a discussion.

 

If there's one thing I feel pretty confident about Steve, its that he very much understands that when it comes to the people he's hired, he knows he's actually the "least intelligent" guy in the room when it comes to evaluating talent, evaluating coaches, personnel decisions, etc.

 

Not saying he's dumb, but when he sits in a room with John, Ozzie, DeCosta, etc., I'm pretty sure Steve knows that he has the least amount of knowledge in the room when it comes to actual on-field football matters. If anything, he's seeking others opinions, not formulating one himself. 

 

He knows more about how to run a successful business and putting his employees in a position to succeed more than the other guys in the room, but Steve doesn't have the Jerry Jones/Daniel Snyder complex of thinking he's the smartest guy in the room when it comes to on-field performance.

 

If you notice, even during the post-season pressers, there is rarely even a question that Steve responds to in regards to evaluating individual players performance. He leaves that up to the people he hired to do that.

[Willbacker]

I saw the fire pees talk but I didn't see anyone expect a new dc come in and install a new defense in a week

There's no way to install a "new defense". Thing is with Pees calling the D we've had too many 4th qtr comebacks in the last 3 years. We need a fresh playcaller just to see if we can restart the defense and regain confidence. The smarts and awareness are just not there for some reason. It happened during the SB run on the other side of the ball. Maybe simplify the teminology or simplify the scheme and provide better disguises.

[Tru11]

I saw the fire pees talk but I didn't see anyone expect a new dc come in and install a new defense in a week

 

well people want pees fired  asap and a new scheme asap.

 

they also blame the play calling.

 

so that pretty much leaves out the option of keeping his scheme and playbook if he gets fired now lol.

[Tru11]

I doubt he really even offers his opinion. I mean... what opinion is there to give?

 

At best, it would probably involve Steve asking John what he thinks about his coordinators, and there would be a discussion.

 

If there's one thing I feel pretty confident about Steve, its that he very much understands that when it comes to the people he's hired, he knows he's actually the "least intelligent" guy in the room when it comes to evaluating talent, evaluating coaches, personnel decisions, etc.

 

Not saying he's dumb, but when he sits in a room with John, Ozzie, DeCosta, etc., I'm pretty sure Steve knows that he has the least amount of knowledge in the room when it comes to actual on-field football matters. If anything, he's seeking others opinions, not formulating one himself. 

 

He knows more about how to run a successful business and putting his employees in a position to succeed more than the other guys in the room, but Steve doesn't have the Jerry Jones/Daniel Snyder complex of thinking he's the smartest guy in the room when it comes to on-field performance.

 

If you notice, even during the post-season pressers, there is rarely even a question that Steve responds to in regards to evaluating individual players performance. He leaves that up to the people he hired to do that.

 

nah you are right.

i doubt he will say anything drastic.

 

i think its more something  along the lines of guys is everthying okay cause things are going as they supposed to.

asking if there is anything he can do and maybe offer some advice or give his opinion depending on/if they ask him about it.

 

he aint no jerry who will fire people on his own lol

Edited September 29, 2015 by Tru11

[52N19]

Steve, your letting this cheap out rebuilding thing happen so much, it has caught up to us and we have lost continuity....had we kept corey graham, even carey williams, our cbs would be set, even with a struggling webb

 

he's maxing out the cap every year so you can't call him cheap.

[jazz1988]

Seems like we are steaming toward doing it Bisciotti's way. We are facing the reality of missing the playoffs for 2 out of 3 seasons.

 

How fortunate are we that the Chargers choked against the Chiefs backups last year? Would be 3 for 3 since the SB.

 

I think The Packers were fortunate  for us to beat The Lions which was in 2013 inorder to help their playoffs chances. I'm not really concerned about how fortunate we was to make the playoffs last year but more  focus on what happened once we got there. The Ravens played like they actually belonged in the playoffs last year by beating The Steelers and giving the current super bowl champs quite a run for their money in their home stadium but just lost in the end due to a poor secondary..

 

I don't think  The Chargers would have done better if they made it to the playoffs instead but anything can  happen.

[jazz1988]

Steve, your letting this cheap out rebuilding thing happen so much, it has caught up to us and we have lost continuity....had we kept corey graham, even carey williams, our cbs would be set, even with a struggling webb

It's not The Ravens fault that Cary Williams and Corey Graham denied The Ravens offer. I think The Ravens offered Cary Williams a 13 million dollar contract  but he turned it down and figured he could get more some where else. He did indeed get more from The Eagles but it wasn't by much. The Ravens were reported to be highly interested in bringing Corey Graham back but he got a better off from The Bills. Not only was it a  better offer but he would have the opportunity to be a full time starter  and play in his home town.