Joe Flacco

[52520Andrew]

we see it at the end of halves and during the last drive The 4th quarter consistently. Until our crappy butt defense gives up the lead.

We saw it at Denver and at the Patriots during the playoffs?

[Tank 92]

Odd timing given yesterdays miscue to Sr...

Lol......not a perfect pass, but one that should result in a TD 99 out of 100 times. Smitty could have got the second foot down, but for whatever reason took a full stride out of bounds.

[BSHU_Miami]

We saw it at Denver and at the Patriots during the playoffs?

Chargers game last year, Falcons a few years ago, Miami game, last year before the half, Vikings game where the defense gave up the lead TWICE in 2 minutes. Flacco excels in uptempo. You seen it yesterday as well. I'm sorry only the times it didn't work stick out in your mind. Edited September 21, 2015 by BSHU_Miami

[Static]

we see it at the end of halves and during the last drive The 4th quarter consistently. Until our crappy butt defense gives up the lead.

 

Yep. He led us down the field against the patriots until Torrey messed up. He led us down the field against the Broncos until SSS dropped a pass and Gilmore dropped/got robbed. 

 

 

And he led us on what would have been a game winning drive if our defense could manage to not give up 10yards a play.

[Sami84]

i think we are one and done in the Joe flacco era.

 

which is fine..all things come to an end.

[52520Andrew]

Chargers game last year, Falcons a few years ago, Miami game, last year before the half. Flacco excels in uptempo. You seen it yesterday as well. I'm sorry only the times it didn't work stick out in your mind.

You said consistently, hard to call it that if I can come up with 2 counter examples off the top of my head in the past 3 games.

[JustinB]

On the bright side of all this we are turning into the underdogs again, and that usually turns out well for us

[Wildabeast88]

No. Replaced at a much cheaper for someone with a higher ceiling.

I know as far as skill set just being a bit sarcastic everyone always killing Torrey now everyone wishing we had another WR but Perriman needs to get on the field

[Wildabeast88]

We saw it at Denver and at the Patriots during the playoffs?

Joe is forced to make something happen because the D gives up late points and putting us in bad situations so we can't kill Joe for it if the D holds then Joe doesn't make those throws and there is nothing to see here

[52520Andrew]

Joe is forced to make something happen because the D gives up late points and putting us in bad situations so we can't kill Joe for it if the D holds then Joe doesn't make those throws and there is nothing to see here

 

You mean like in Denver where Flacco throwing the pick 6 is what gave up the lead?

 

I mean sure the Patriots game as we should hold 2 14 point leads but we had enough time to go down the field and that drive is on Joe for not looking the safety off well enough(along with Torrey showing poor effort).

 

Still though, what is being argued is Flacco showing 2012 playoff form consistently in the last 2 minutes of a game, what the defense does or doesn't do is not what we are looking at, just looking at the drives themselves. Having to go down the field and score is exactly what the 2 minute game is about so yeah.

[1/28/01]

you point out one play, he still got the team the lead, btw Smitty could've toe tapped and it would've been a TD. It goes both ways, I'm looking at these insane catches by Julio and amedola last week. Nobody calls those bad throws because the Wr made a difficult play. Steve could've got his other foot down.

Not just one play, but THE play that cost us points. Could Smith have somehow prepared for an arrant throw and made a circus catch? Sure. Should he have had to prepare for that on a 15 yard throw to a WIDE OPEN receive? Certainly not.

[BSHU_Miami]

You said consistently, hard to call it that if I can come up with 2 counter examples off the top of my head in the past 3 games.

and i came up with 5 and thats not including his 21 game winning drives in his career... but i mean you have 2. so I agree with you 

[Tru11]

Well from what I saw yesterday, doesn't seem like he is having a lesser burden to carry on the other side of the ball.

We don't need a stud. We don't need CJ or anyone that caliber. We need a Anquan Boldin and a Torrey Smith, and Dennis Pitta and an X-factor like Jacoby Jones. And a balanced running game to supplement.

 

i have faith in perriman once he comes back.

he is going to be an x-factor and in time guys like williams and waller might as well.

 

the running game was working pretty decend yesterday untill the 2nd half started and we went away from it lol

[1/28/01]

Lol......not a perfect pass, but one that should result in a TD 99 out of 100 times. Smitty could have got the second foot down, but for whatever reason took a full stride out of bounds.

Having to alter his body and trajectory made it very difficult to do so. It was a horrible throw and Im sure even Flacco agrees. No reason your wide open receiver needs to adjust that bad on a 15 yard throw.

[BSHU_Miami]

Not just one play, but THE play that cost us points. Could Smith have somehow prepared for an arrant throw and made a circus catch? Sure. Should he have had to prepare for that on a 15 yard throw to a WIDE OPEN receive? Certainly not.

Steve has to make the catch

[The Mom Gene]

Why was the other thread removed? Are we not allowed to talk about Joe on here?

 

Mainly because there already was... and there already is a Flacco thread....  SMH...  273 pages of all that we already know and love.... and hate about him.....  there are many....  and THAT is why the one got removed last night before I had to leave... 

[1/28/01]

Steve has to make the catch

He did. Joe threw him out of bounds. If you cant see that being an incompletion is 95% on Joe, I don't know what to tell you.

[BSHU_Miami]

He did. Joe threw him out of bounds. If you cant see that being an incompletion is 95% on Joe, I don't know what to tell you.

I see it as 50/50. I've seen that catch made by 3rd stringers. It wasn't a circus catch. difficult yes, impossible no, but hey people blame Joe for Smith's drop last week so I guess it comes with the territory.

Edited September 21, 2015 by BSHU_Miami

[1/28/01]

I see it as 50/50. I've seen that catch made by 3rd stringers. It wasn't a circus catch. difficult yes, impossible no.

No matter the percentage you or anyone sees it as, its a walk in TD 99 out of 100 times if thrown correctly.

[1/28/01]

Last week, that was 99% on Smith. This week, not even close. Just so people don't think little ol' Flacco is being picked on here.

[3-4ravdef509]

He did. Joe threw him out of bounds. If you cant see that being an incompletion is 95% on Joe, I don't know what to tell you.

I'm sorry, the throw could have been better but to me that's a catch that Steve smith should have been able to get both feet down for

[52520Andrew]

and i came up with 5 and thats not including his 21 game winning drives in his career... but i mean you have 2. so I agree with you 

 

Okay, from last year, Cincy, Indy, Cincy again

 

There is 5 in the last 20 games or 25%, still calling him consistently 2012 playoff form in 2 minute situations?

 

21 game winning drives over 7 years plus 2 games(we won't count playoffs to help you out) is 21/114 or lower than 25%, don't feel like looking up all the game winning drives he had in 2014 but feel free to if you want. Also Matt Ryan has 29 game winning drives just in case you were wondering.

 

Flacco 2012 playoff form didn't throw a single INT and yet he has thrown one at the end of each of the past 3 games. Look, I think Flacco is great as well but what we saw in 2012 was all time great, he hasn't been that consistently in 2 minute situations, no one is and frankly, that is an unfair expectation.

[BSHU_Miami]

Okay, from last year, Cincy, Indy, Cincy again

 

There is 5 in the last 20 games or 25%, still calling him consistently 2012 playoff form in 2 minute situations?

 

21 game winning drives over 7 years plus 2 games(we won't count playoffs to help you out) is 21/114 or lower than 25%, don't feel like looking up all the game winning drives he had in 2014 but feel free to if you want. Also Matt Ryan has 29 game winning drives just in case you were wondering.

 

Flacco 2012 playoff form didn't throw a single INT and yet he has thrown one at the end of each of the past 3 games. Look, I think Flacco is great as well but what we saw in 2012 was all time great, he hasn't been that consistently in 2 minute situations, no one is and frankly, that is an unfair expectation.

True, however if the Defense would get off the field, we wouldn't need to be in these situations.

[Sami84]

look..if we lose this game ..well how many teams in the past 25 years have made it after 0-3?

 

0-2 is only 10%

 

 

with this schedule???

 

please no chance.

[52520Andrew]

Last week, that was 99% on Smith. This week, not even close. Just so people don't think little ol' Flacco is being picked on here.

 

People love to attack people that make excuses for Pees but the excuses I hear about Flacco are right up there. I mean I don't really care for either guy, I care more about wins and rings but it is crazy the lengths some people go to

[52520Andrew]

True, however if the Defense would get off the field, we wouldn't need to be in these situations.

 

Yeah that is my biggest gripe with bend but don't break. When you need the defense to get a 3 and out and get the ball back to the offense, it hurts to see the defense give up plays to let the offense burn time off plus it wears the defense down and if the offense is in a groove, a long drive by the other team can mess with that. I don't support us going full Rex in 2006 as we don't have the GOAT at Safety on the back end plus 2 great CBs but some aggression, especially with an inexperienced QB like Carr can't hurt. We also seem to struggle getting 3 and outs on defense nowadays which I think really sets us back. 

[The Mom Gene]

Guys...  We are rehashing this game here in the "Joe Flacco Thread"....  These discussions can take place in the "Good, Bad, and Ugly" thread, and the other Joe Flacco thread...  I have perused this thread today, and seeing the very same discussions here.  Centralizing the discussion is not a bad thing...

 

Let's take the discussion there...