The Good, Bad and Ugly vs Raiders

[wizard1]

i only saw a snippet..

 

where is the full PC?

 

I watched the press conference on Sunday Ticket - not sure if it was on NFL network.

[-Truth-]

We were lucky Peyton dead-armed a few balls, otherwise we would've been blown out. Sanders killed Webb last week.

Manning was certainly off on a few throws, more than you'd expect for sure, but QBs miss throws every week. We've seen at least three throws among both teams this afternoon that would've been scores with better placement. Webb had his share of struggles, but it wasn't the worst performance. Sanders had 8 receptions last week on 11 targets. One was against Jimmy Smith and the other two were against Webb. Yes, one would've been a score with a better throw where Sanders go by Webb on a go route. The other was incomplete because Webb had tight coverage on the play. The raw stats aren't indicative of his performance given the missed TD, but he allowed 2 receptions to Sanders on 4 targets for 18 yards with a single 5 yard penalty. I've seen much worse days for CBs. The fact remains that our defense had a very good game last week.

Edited September 21, 2015 by -Truth-

[Guest]

I believe we'll see that Oakland is a credible team this year. 8-8 or better.

 

We went into the Black Hole and would have won with better last drive clock management. 

 

We have some problems. Jernigan made a late roughing call that was costly. Will Hill made an holding call that he didn't have to do because he makes the pick without the hold.

 

I believe we will beat Cincinnati. If we don't  it will be a huge hole to climb out of. Win next week and we are one game out of first.

Edited September 21, 2015 by Danny D

[AirforceOne79]

All of this was said about the game vs the Raiders after that Denver loss.  The Ravens are just not that good!  I believe that the Bengals will come to town salivating cause the Ravens are 0-2 and in the bottom of the division and they have the opportunity to keep us there with a win.

 

And, just like the Ravens PR people love to hype up and mention what the Ravens did to their present opponents in the past with vdeos and articles....I'm pretty sure the Bengals will be showing footage to their fan base all week long of how they have had the Ravens number the last few games that they played....including in M&T.

 

That's why the next two games in my opinion will be critical. And you might be right, the Ravens are probably just bad this season. I need to see just a little bit more (i.e. first home game) and these two games against division opponents, to officially throw in the towel.

Edited September 21, 2015 by AirforceOne79

[Grendelwulf21]

Alright here's mine

 

The good - the O put up some points, even though they have plenty of mistakes... and my puppy was sleeping on the couch next to me having puppy dreams, barking, it was so cute

 

the bad - our D. gosh.. just ... the raiders... really..? like, really?

 

the ugly - I haven't showered today

[January J]

You might think so but the same was said about Jim Harbaugh. Even tho that whole Niner fiasco was rigged from the beginning I for one am ready for a clean slate. I can promise you an 0-16 record would get Harbaugh fired. He is not untouchable.

. Not a possibility. 2 losing seasons in a row and yeah maybe, but harbaugh has done way too much for this organization , is the 2nd winningest coach since 2008, and has an impeccable relationship with Ozzie and Bisciotti. This is crazy talk.

See this is exactly what I was afraid of. Us somehow managing to start 0-2 and 35% of the fanbase starting to make all kinds of rash statements, calling for ppls jobs and for players to get benched. 2 games into the season and it's already bench flacco and fire harbaugh. I'm losing my damn mind over here.

[Sami84]

to those who think our O was good today..

 

i can't think of many NFL offenses that wouldnt have had a field day against that banged up crap D.

[jazz1988]

You might think so but the same was said about Jim Harbaugh. Even tho that whole Niner fiasco was rigged from the beginning I for one am ready for a clean slate. I can promise you an 0-16 record would get Harbaugh fired. He is not untouchable.

 

I never heard of a coach  with the success Harbaugh has had and get's fired after one bad season ever in his career.

[Guest]

. Not a possibility. 2 losing seasons in a row and yeah maybe, but harbaugh has done way too much for this organization , is the 2nd winningest coach since 2008, and has an impeccable relationship with Ozzie and Bisciotti. This is crazy talk.

See this is exactly what I was afraid of. Us somehow managing to start 0-2 and 35% of the fanbase starting to make all kinds of rash statements, calling for ppls jobs and for players to get benched. 2 games into the season and it's already bench flacco and fire harbaugh. I'm losing my damn mind over here.

 

I think a little Home Cookin is liable to make things better.  If you're gonna work out some bugs, work them out early in the season.

[wizard1]

harbaughs not the problem. And flacco is not the problem. He put us in the position to win last week and this week. Sure he made some mistakes- but giving up 37 points to the raiders is unexceptable. If anybody has to go it's pees. However I'm still gonna give it until Atleast week 4 before making any rash statements about people deserving to lose their jobs. We need to find our identity and fast. I'm holding on to a thread of hope that we can win the next 2, but right now we just gotta take it one game at a time.

You can't let a team like Oakland get a 10-0 jump on you in tag first quarter and expect good things to happen. Had we pounced on them their confidence would've been shot and it would have been a long day for them. I blame that on jimmy getting burnt by a rookie and Aiken. How many times are we gonna get off to a horrible start and have to climb our way back into games ?

Really starting to wish we could have gotten Marcus peters in the first round. Hoping perriman comes back and sets the world on fire though.

 

I wouldn't pin any hopes on Perriman to save our season-there are too many other issues. I hate the thought of suffering through this season with Trestman. I remember how ugly it got in Chicago and I don't want that to happen here.

[Sami84]

. Not a possibility. 2 losing seasons in a row and yeah maybe, but harbaugh has done way too much for this organization , is the 2nd winningest coach since 2008, and has an impeccable relationship with Ozzie and Bisciotti. This is crazy talk.

See this is exactly what I was afraid of. Us somehow managing to start 0-2 and 35% of the fanbase starting to make all kinds of rash statements, calling for ppls jobs and for players to get benched. 2 games into the season and it's already bench flacco and fire harbaugh. I'm losing my damn mind over here.

 

 

i prefer quick deaths then a painful 2013 like season

 

for me going 1-6 over the next few games is so much better than being say 3-4.

 

we need early round picks..we need to understand that no team is great forever..aside from those patriots every single team in this league goes through periods of crap..

[rafahash]

i prefer quick deaths then a painful 2013 like season

 

for me going 1-6 over the next few games is so much better than being say 3-4.

 

we need early round picks..we need to understand that no team is great forever..aside from those patriots every single team in this league goes through periods of crap..

 

Well, I'm with Sami on this one.

 

Wow! This loss must have really gotten to me...

Edited September 21, 2015 by rafahash

[wizard1]

. Not a possibility. 2 losing seasons in a row and yeah maybe, but harbaugh has done way too much for this organization , is the 2nd winningest coach since 2008, and has an impeccable relationship with Ozzie and Bisciotti. This is crazy talk.

See this is exactly what I was afraid of. Us somehow managing to start 0-2 and 35% of the fanbase starting to make all kinds of rash statements, calling for ppls jobs and for players to get benched. 2 games into the season and it's already bench flacco and fire harbaugh. I'm losing my damn mind over here.

 

I don't think we should bench Flacco that's for sure. He is the only guy that gives us some credibility.

[ravensdfan]

to those who think our O was good today..

 

i can't think of many NFL offenses that wouldnt have had a field day against that banged up crap D.

They were still good today. That doesn't mean they are going to light up every team. Only that they did their job in this game on this day.

[wizard1]

i prefer quick deaths then a painful 2013 like season

 

for me going 1-6 over the next few games is so much better than being say 3-4.

 

we need early round picks..we need to understand that no team is great forever..aside from those patriots every single team in this league goes through periods of crap..

 

Well we are not going to go 3 and 4. so I have to agree with you.

[wizard1]

I never heard of a coach  with the success Harbaugh has had and get's fired after one bad season ever in his career.

 

First time for everything right? In the end someone has to be held accountable.

[rafahash]

I thought I was overreacting but then I saw people talking about firing Harbaugh.. ugh. I feel better now.

Edited September 21, 2015 by rafahash

[BmoreBird22]

So, just to start, the Redskins started 3-6 going into the bye week in 2012, but finished 10-6 to go to the playoffs. That's seven straight wins. The Ravens have yet to play a single home game. The schedule makers certainly didn't make it easy by making 5 of the first 7 games road games, but if the Ravens can escape at 3-4, they'll be in really good shape to make the playoffs by closing out with a slew of home games. Now, onto this particular game.

 

I cannot absolve Pees of all the blame, but it's not nearly as bad as some are making it out to be. The Ravens had two major coverage lapses lead to 14 points. Jimmy Smith somehow just got absolutely run past by Amari Cooper, untouched, and Webb slipped to give Crabtree an extremely easy touchdown. That's 14 points that should not have happened, but two players just got flat out beat. Also, as far as coverage lapses go, how did that last touchdown happen? I mean, what the hell? Arrington did a piss poor pass off, but there was a middle linebacker and a safety in the vicinity. Literally three Ravens were in a position to make a play, but literally none of the three made a play. That's inexcusable.

 

Now, I have no idea what happened with the blitzes. I don't know if Pees felt like he could confuse Carr by sitting more back in coverage or if he felt like the Raiders offensive line would just pick up most of the blitzes, but until that final offensive drive, when Carr was clearly in a rhythm, he just did not blitz nearly enough. Carr had all day to throw for the most part. He was as comfortable as can be and just sat and picked his throws any way he wanted. I heard all week, albeit not from coaches, that the Ravens were going to have to blitz more and scheme up more pressure because of no Suggs, but it felt so bland and vanilla. He didn't disguise looks, do any overload blitzes, and I don't think he ever blitzed a corner. 

 

However, I can partially attribute that to instantly going down 10-0 within five minutes. I'd imagine he was playing to not get burned (like how Jimmy did) to give the offense a chance to put up points. Those 10 points set the tone for the game because the Ravens literally never took a lead. They only tied. 

 

Defensively, I was super excited to see Timmy Jernigan back, and while I saw some pressure later in the game, he just didn't have a huge impact. I mean, I guess that's what happens when you play against a good offensive line, but the one thing I will truly remember him for was an absolutely inexcusable personal foul. Do the Ravens go to OT if he doesn't commit it? I don't know, but it's possible. 

 

Offensively, I was actually very pleased, for the most part. I know people are trying to say that they're some terrible team, but TJ Carrie, Khalil Mack, Aldon Smith, Dan Williams, Justin Tuck, Nate Allen, Keith McGill, and Justin Ellis all make up a talented group of starters for that team. Do they have weaknesses? Sure. DJ Hayden is looking pretty abysmal and Woodson is getting way too old, but they have some really solid starters. So, when the offensive line showed massive improvements in pass and run blocking, it was actually really great to see because they were facing a talented front.

 

I would have loved to see Crockett continue his dominance into the second half. The Raiders starting linebackers are pretty poor, for the most part, and he really should have been able to continue what he started, but that'll come with time because he just started his second game, as far as I know. I will say, all the extra attention he got really opened it up for Kamar Aiken. 

 

Aiken hasn't impressed me enough to think that he can be more than a rotational number three receiver. He's great when he can see the ball in front of him on crossing routes and what not and he showed some great moves to get YAC, but he's not a consistent threat on the outside to beat his man down the sidelines. The Ravens are probably way too excited to potentially get Perriman back this week. 

 

I thought Joe made some pretty bad under/overthrows, but I have to wonder how much of that goes back to preseason. I mean, I honestly don't remember seeing Joe air any out in the preseason and he obviously didn't get the chance to in Denver. He seemed to connect well with Smith Sr., but everyone else was obviously a big miss. I have to wonder if that's from the lack of chances he got to build timing and chemistry on those type of routes in the preseason. We'll see if it gets better as the season progresses. Fortunately, it looks like Joe can just air it out to Perriman and he'll run under it with his speed.

 

My biggest gripe with the play calling was the fade routes to Smith Sr. I think I counted two, three if you count that missed TD. He's 5'9". Why are you throwing a fade route to him? Why not flex out Crockett or Williams for one of those? The Patriots have shown that's completely viable for two weeks now. 

 

Speaking of the missed touchdown, I can't put that entirely on Joe, but I also can't put it entirely on Steve Smith. Joe clearly threw it before that pick worked so effectively, leading to the lob. But again, that looked like a fade/jump ball for Smith. Why? If Joe holds onto it a tick longer, it's a touchdown, but alas, he did not. 

 

On that final interception, honestly, I don't think I can blame anyone. I think Smith Sr. just broke that route off kinda poorly given the situation, but given the coverage it was probably the right decision. Flacco was probably thinking, "Hey, we have :26 to go, so let's make throws on the boundary and get out of bounds." Smith Sr. is probably thinking, "They're covering the boundary and we have one time out, let me get to the middle of the field and get some good YAC." Just not on the same page. 

 

But, let's tip our hats to the Raiders. They have a dynamite offensive line with one real weakness at RG, a top five pick at WR, who obviously went that high for a reason, a very talented young quarterback (who the Raiders were rumored to be interested in at 5), and a talented young running back. Defensively, well, I named all the positives above. I don't get why people act like this is a team entirely devoid of talent. Now, they aren't loaded or deep, but they've got some great players across the board. 

 

Plus, playing in the Black Hole isn't easy, especially after such a tough loss to the Broncos. And the Raiders were coming off their own loss and returning home. I mean, who really had the advantage there? I will be far more worried if the Ravens lose next week, but until then, the season is still too young to judge.

 

Oh, and the referees were pretty bad. Some just mysteriously bad calls. The phantom holding on Jimmy Smith that never got replayed, the PI on Kendrick Lewis, the holding on Osemele. Just a lot of penalties that made me go, "Huh?" 

Edited September 21, 2015 by BmoreBird22

[Ravensfan23]

Some of you guys are comical. As soon as the blame game flood gates open you waste no time putting everybody on the chopping blocks. Lol

I have no issue with the displeasure of Pees because he and the defense deserves it. However to blame Harbs or Trestman to the point of saying they need to go is just funny. Did they make some poor decisions today? Yes but to fault Trestman for much is funny to me. Unlike the defense, Trestman came out and didn't take the Raiders lightly. He was agressive from the start and instead of being so sold out to establishing the run he attacked the Raiders where they were the weakest. He's still using someone else's offense and he's tryna put his own touch on it. People comparing hin to Cam Cameron clearly need to learn about offensive concepts because the offense looked nothing like Cam's imo.

Also in terms of not having play makers outside Steve Smith. That's on Flacco. Guys were open down field or had favorable 1on1 matchups but Flacco basically force fed Smitty for much of the game. Can't really blame him because when Smitty is going like that you keep feeding him, but there were times where Aiken and Brown were open to make plays but the ball went to Smitty.

Of course this was a poor defensive team, but the offense did exactly what they were supposed to do. It was a great confidence builder for them and we'll see how they handle a much fasyer and aggressive defense with the Bengals.

[Cillmatic]

i prefer quick deaths then a painful 2013 like season

 

for me going 1-6 over the next few games is so much better than being say 3-4.

 

we need early round picks..we need to understand that no team is great forever..aside from those patriots every single team in this league goes through periods of crap..

Definitely agree. With suck and get a high pick or be good and go to the playoffs.

[jazz1988]

First time for everything right? In the end someone has to be held accountable.

 

It's not going to happened. You don't fired your head coach that not too long ago got you  a super ring and since then gave your team playoff success.  If The Ravens did indeed have a bad season yeah somebody will be held accountable for sure but that most likely would be the coordinators and other staff members.

[wizard1]

6-10 time to rebuild.

Flacco has to read the d better and trestman experiment needs to end all ready

 

I totally agree with getting Trestman outta here ! Enough of his dysfunction-he brought it with him from Chicago.

[rmw10]

I didn't see the game, and it sounds like I should be glad I didn't. Even without seeing it though, I can tell there are some heavy overreactions. Firing Harbaugh? Lol

[BmoreBird22]

I didn't see the game, and it sounds like I should be glad I didn't. Even without seeing it though, I can tell there are some heavy overreactions. Firing Harbaugh? Lol

Offense was remarkably better.

[Fullblack_RAVEN]

Kyle Arrington, why did you stop and let the guy who caught the go ahead TD go right by you without jamming him or staying with him? Unbelievable.

 

We need to do what we did with Cam and fire Pees before things get worst. We should have never let Teryl Austin go to Detroit with Caldwell. Should have promoted Austin to DC and let Pees walk.

I agree w/ this 100%. Pees is a garbage co-ordinator.

[izvoodoo]

I didn't see the game, and it sounds like I should be glad I didn't. Even without seeing it though, I can tell there are some heavy overreactions. Firing Harbaugh? Lol

The biggest issue is pass rush.  Main note.  

[Militant X 1]

That's why the next two games in my opinion will be critical. And you might be right, the Ravens are probably just bad this season. I need to see just a little bit more (i.e. first home game) and these two games against division opponents, to officially throw in the towel.

 

I'm all for not throwing in the towel IF you have a team with the heart and personnel to overcome this 0-2 deficit.  Do the Ravens have that?  I doubt it cause I haven't seen it yet in 2 games with the exception of Flacco and Smith, Sr.  Again,imo this Ravens team is not that good!  Think about it...

 

The offense struggles against the Broncos defense and the Ravens defense was dominant against Peyton and company.  And yet today, the offense kept up with the Raiders quick offense and matched them score for score but was unable to finish them off late in the 4th qrtr by settling for FG's (typical) leaving the door open for that explosive Raiders offense to march down the field....uncontested by the Ravens defense mind you...to score the game winner.  But in Denver, they played lights out!  Go figure!

 

The Ravens looked and played like what they are....an 0-2 mediocre bottom level team!

Edited September 21, 2015 by Militant X 1

[Cillmatic]

I didn't see the game, and it sounds like I should be glad I didn't. Even without seeing it though, I can tell there are some heavy overreactions. Firing Harbaugh? Lol

Offense was remarkably better.

Still remarkably average compared to good teams, flacco didn't play well AGAIN and the running game has taken a step back.

Edited September 21, 2015 by Cillmatic

[BmoreBird22]

  

Still remarkably average compared to good teams, flacco didn't play well AGAIN.

No, he played pretty well. He missed some throws here and there, hence his incompletions, but he definitely played well enough for the Ravens to win it.

[Runnin Raven]

LMAO!

I'm glad you got a good laugh out of that.  Of course I meant we made him look like Brady.  I am definitely not laughing.