Ravens sign OLB Jason Babin

[ravensdan]

He is basically ONLY for pass rush. He can't block run or cover even if he tried. So if you see him line up, its almost a given he is gunning for it 100%

That's actually not true. He played well for Rex last year. Rotational role but 470 snaps. 3 sacks, but 7 hits and 27 hurries. He should play well rotate ting in for us. I still expect a lot more schemed pressure.

[Kid87]

Is he a starter or just depth?? Or leadership??

[CalvinSmoke]

Babin was getting off last year... He deserves respect guys, we shouldn't lose a step in the pass rush department, I think doom becomes full time now, and Upshaw and Babin rotate but I could be wrong

[Ravensfan23]

remember the arthur brown situation? josh bynes...over him..mclelllen orr now..

could be similar with z smith

If they traded for a young vet with upside there may be something there. But Babin is a guy brought in only because of the Suggs injury. Remember what the Ravens were looking for when drafting ZDS. They saw him in the light of Mcphe not a future Suggs replacement. So it makes sense that they aren't just telling him next man up. He'll get a long and hard look before they gave up on him. Keeping a guy like Steven Means and giving him the opportunity to replace Suggs would have been more of a story. Babin is just another role player option.

I think Pees will give Upshaw every opportunity to be a 3 down guy and be to the defense what Suggs has been for years. Now clearly he won't be the pass rush guy Suggs was but he has the ability to be the DE playing OLB. I think ZDS and or Babin will serve as that Mcphee type guy. I don't see this as a major signing just insurance. I will say that the younger version of Babin was exactly the type of guy Pees likes because he could get pressure without blitzing. Just don't know how much he has left.

[RaineV1]

I think Babin will be fine since he'll have talent around him. He's just being asked to be a compliment to Doom and the d-linemen, which I think he can do.

[ravefan52]

Dang we signed Babin? This dude is insane he hunts bears, literally. He'll fit right into our culture toughness wise. 

 

I remember I liked him when he played that wide 9 position in Philly. He's obviously older now, but I like the signing.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

When Urban comes back i'd actually try him at OLB...might actually work.

 

I just wish we had a younger canty. His pass rush skills have noticeably diminished since the late 00's. 

Its a good pass rush. It needs that one world class rusher. Doom is really good but he's one dimensional. 

 

Jernigan has to show he can be our aarron donald.

1. Aaron Donald is a rare talent pass rushing wise. Jernigan has the potential to be a star, but probably not as good as Donald. In literally any other year, CJ wins DROY. 

2. Dumervil is a world class pass rusher. He's elite in that regard. That's all he is though sadly. He's pretty mediocre to bad vs the run. Here's the thing though, he's so damn good at rushing the QB that he constitutes a huge contract despite it. I would dare say that Dumervil is the best situational pass rusher in the NFL. Does that mean he is the best pass rusher in the NFL? Hell no(JJ Watt and Justin Houston would like a word with the person who interprets it that way). 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

If this is for the vet minimum I wouldn't be surprised if we tried to bring someone else in.... But not a pass rusher

[BmoreBird22]

From Brian Bower of RSR...

 

Along with previous stats, finished 2014 with an overall @PFF grade of +13.5 including +8.2 in run defense and +6.7 in pass rush. #Ravens

 

Jason Babin may not be able to give you a full time starter role of like 800+ snaps anymore (probably just half of that), he was extremely good in his limited role. I'm thrilled to have landed Babin, honestly, and he was my first choice for who to sign, honestly. Hopefully he didn't just fall off a cliff over the summer, but this guy can be very good to help ease the loss of Suggs. Upshaw and Babin together won't be Suggs, but it's certainly a start.

 

I think what impressed, or enticed, the Ravens the most is that Babin is just relentless. He's got one of the highest motors you will ever see and does not give up on a play. He epitomizes "Play like a Raven."

Edited September 16, 2015 by BmoreBird22

[BmoreBird22]

If this is for the vet minimum I wouldn't be surprised if we tried to bring someone else in.... But not a pass rusher

It is for the minimum, from what I have seen.

[allblackraven]

Yes he is OLD. A situational slow, old. washed up guy is the best they could find???

Yeah, they tried to trade but Chiefs wanted too much for Houston. What do you think - 26 yo elite pass rushers are in great supply in week 2 of the season?

 

I applaud you on choosing quite fitting board name for yourself.

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah, they tried to trade but Chiefs wanted too much for Houston. What do you think - 26 yo elite pass rushers are in great supply in week 2 of the season?

 

I applaud you on choosing quite fitting board name for yourself.

I heard the Chiefs wanted a sixth rounder to be guaranteed, but the Ravens wanted to make it conditional. I have to say, I agree with the Ravens.

[VeiledPsychosis]

This says literally nothing about Z. Smith, its a problem of experience vs. no experience. Its like saying starting Suggs over Smith says that we didn't like Smith, no - its about having a proven player start for a good defense to let the young guy develop. We've been doing this for years, its sad that people still fall into this delusion every year. We rarely if ever let young guys start unless they are special, i.e. Mosely.

[52520Andrew]

I've been saying this, actually, even before the Suggs injury. I recall Urban playing some there in training camp last year as a rookie before his injury. It might've been OTAs, I don't know. I think it was training camp, though. Anyway, I wouldn't be at all surprised if we did just this. 

 

Me and rmw both saw it as well

 

Do like that we got Babin though, stop gap for sure but we needed someone there who could rush the passer from the edge, even if it is on limited snaps.

[balfan23]

Dumervil is a world class pass rusher. He's elite in that regard. That's all he is though sadly. He's pretty mediocre to bad vs the run. Here's the thing though, he's so damn good at rushing the QB that he constitutes a huge contract despite it. I would dare say that Dumervil is the best situational pass rusher in the NFL. Does that mean he is the best pass rusher in the NFL? Hell no(JJ Watt and Justin Houston would like a word with the person who interprets it that way). 

I think people need to understand this, when they say that this injury is creating a situation where he'll suddenly become a 3 down player. Part of the reason he's as effective as he is as a pass rusher is because he's still somewhat fresh as he's not asked to be on the field all game.

 

If we try to do that with him, he'll be less than effective against the run and then, he'll be less effective because he'll be worn down, especially late in games. Z Smith can't be counted on to set an edge either, so I think we're going to see some of McClellan on early downs 

[allblackraven]

I heard the Chiefs wanted a sixth rounder to be guaranteed, but the Ravens wanted to make it conditional. I have to say, I agree with the Ravens.

Me too - KC went over the top with that guarantee.

[Ravensfan23]

Babin was getting off last year... He deserves respect guys, we shouldn't lose a step in the pass rush department, I think doom becomes full time now, and Upshaw and Babin rotate but I could be wrong

I think Upshaw stays on the field. He saw a lot of 3rd down snaps vs Denver lining up all over the field. Suggs and Upshaw were out best coverage guys at OLB. Obviously Suggs doesn't do it often but Upshaw does. I think Upshaw and Babin/Smith do rotate at OLB but Upshaw will still stay on the field a ton on 3rd downs.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

It is for the minimum, from what I have seen.

Good. There's got to be a player who's good vs the run out there. 

 

Yeah, they tried to trade but Chiefs wanted too much for Houston. What do you think - 26 yo elite pass rushers are in great supply in week 2 of the season?

 

I applaud you on choosing quite fitting board name for yourself.

Just give them Perriman. He's a freaking bust anyway. 

[VeiledPsychosis]

Good. There's got to be a player who's good vs the run out there. 

 

Just give them Perriman. He's a freaking bust anyway. 

Sell 'em the long snapper straight up, bet we can get them to throw in a pick too

[Purple Punishment]

Babin almost broke the sack record 4 years ago.

[Sami84]

there is this myth that upshaw has coverage skills

 

his run stopping skills are above average and his pass rush non existant

 

adalius thomas he is not.

[balfan23]

From Brian Bower of RSR...

 

Along with previous stats, finished 2014 with an overall @PFF grade of +13.5 including +8.2 in run defense and +6.7 in pass rush. #Ravens

Well, that would be huge if we could use him some in run situations and not just have him come in on passing downs. As I've said in other posts, I don't agree with those that think we're suddenly going to have Doom be a 3 down OLB. He's not the best against the run and if we over-use him, his effectiveness in pass rush situations will be diminished. I really feel like we're going to be in a heavy rotation to guys fresh, with Upshaw seeing more snaps than any of the group. 

[VeiledPsychosis]

there is this myth that upshaw has coverage skills

 

his run stopping skills are above average and his pass rush non existant

 

adalius thomas he is not.

If there's a myth out there that Upshaw has coverage skills I haven't heard it. Everyone knows he's a run stopper above all else

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

If there's a myth out there that Upshaw has coverage skills I haven't heard it. Everyone knows he's a run stopper above all else

Yeah pretty much. He's damn good at it too, which will help ease the blow of losing Sizzle. But we need that guy because now we have two guys who specialize in pinning their ears back and being savages to QBs, and only Upshaw to help with the run and set the edge

[52520Andrew]

Well, that would be huge if we could use him some in run situations and not just have him come in on passing downs. As I've said in other posts, I don't agree with those that think we're suddenly going to have Doom be a 3 down OLB. He's not the best against the run and if we over-use him, his effectiveness in pass rush situations will be diminished. I really feel like we're going to be in a heavy rotation to guys fresh, with Upshaw seeing more snaps than any of the group. 

 

Agreed big time on this one, we have managed Doom perfectly rotating in with Upshaw, I know Suggs going down is hard but messing with that combo may not be a good idea.

 

Good to know Babin can defend the run as well. I am sure we will try to keep him fresh and him rushing the passer will probably be a bit more valuable for us but it is always a good thing to be able to do both.

[BmoreBird22]

Good. There's got to be a player who's good vs the run out there. 

 

Just give them Perriman. He's a freaking bust anyway. 

Babin was really good against the run last year on a limited basis, for that it's worth

[PurpleCity5]

Doom will take over Suggs spot with Upshaw opposite while Babin/Smith rotate with Doom and Upshaw. 

Edited September 16, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[757RavensFan]

Babin almost broke the sack record 4 years ago.

4 years ago is an eternity when it comes to player production in the NFL.

[BmoreBird22]

Well, that would be huge if we could use him some in run situations and not just have him come in on passing downs. As I've said in other posts, I don't agree with those that think we're suddenly going to have Doom be a 3 down OLB. He's not the best against the run and if we over-use him, his effectiveness in pass rush situations will be diminished. I really feel like we're going to be in a heavy rotation to guys fresh, with Upshaw seeing more snaps than any of the group. 

Well, the thing is, he wasn't doing it consistently, and I think some of it just came by chance because he was on the field on what appeared to be a passing down and had to play the run. 

 

However, it does point to the possibility that if need be, he is dependable on early downs. I just worry about wearing him out at that age.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Babin was really good against the run last year on a limited basis, for that it's worth

Key word is limited my friend. If it turns out he has a second wind as a run defender then we just got a bargain at Daryl Smith level proportions.