WR Trade

[Dfence4champs2052]

We did play potentially the best CB duo and pass rush in the league.

And it was week 1 with a new coordinator. Against a preseason favorite.

And we almost won.

But the SKY IS FALLING!

 

The sky is not falling, but it is the same problem we had versus the Eagles and everyone said calm down it's only preseason. Well, if we look up -- they are starting to count.

[Dfence4champs2052]

I'd like to bring back Thompson but isn't he hurt?

 

I think that was part of the problem while he was here....he was always getting hurt then the off the field stuff (at least once).

[ravensdan]

Not sure if I said this before, but I think Roddy white ends up here, just a typical Ravens signing. Just a hunch. I can't think of any other veteran wrs we could go after. Sure would be nice if our wrs developed and we didn't to sign one next year....

I like that choice. He's a guy I had pegged for us to go after this year. But then atlanta let Douglas go and didn't draft a wr like I thought they would. White would be a great target for Flacco. He's a guy I'd like to pursue next offseason.

[Purple_City39]

The sky is not falling, but it is the same problem we had versus the Eagles and everyone said calm down it's only preseason. Well, if we look up -- they are starting to count.

The Eagles head coach didn't create the scheme and playbook our offense is using.  Also our defense looked very bad against the Eagles on all levels versus dominating the Broncos offense.  It's not the same problem at all outside of us losing.

 

I said it before but I won't be concerned until the offense has a game this bad against a team who's HC didn't create our offensive playbook.  Kubiak and Phillips knew our playbook better than Trestman who's just learning it also.  Plus their pass rushers are on another level than most

[balfan23]

Way too early to project this, but based on what I've seen so far AND the fact that SSS is retiring, I won't be surprised if the FO actually went after a respectably high-priced FA WR this offseason, or at the very least, made a Boldin-like trade of some kind.

 

Can't see any scenario where we take a WR in the first round in back to back years, and I'm guessing we aren't exactly comfortable at the moment with a starting receiving core featuring Perriman and Aiken.

 

Things can change of course, just my preliminary assessment. 

It may not be too early to make that projection. Now that we know SSS is retiring, I cannot see us rolling with our current WR corps, minus SSS. Even if we did wish to go WR round 1 for the second straight year (which I highly doubt), I still think they will want to complement the crew of relatively young players with a solid vet. 

 

That makes sense. What doesn't is the fact that this thread was created to discuss making a WR trade now ... which just seems like fantasy. I simply don't see it happening. 

[Ravensfan23]

I don't have much issue with the WRs right now. I've said all offseason and continue to question whether Aiken can consistently win outside but he still has about 2 maybe 3 more games to prove it. I don't think a trade is needed and definitely don't see one happening. I think there will be 2 additions to the WR corp. Breshad Perriman and Jeremy Ross.

The Ravens are hitching their wagon to Perriman and banking on him being able to provide more then just speed to the offense, they will look to him to bring a #1 WR element to the offense. A guy who can be featured every game and moved around to create matchups and space for others. Not saying this will happen immediately, but once his legs are under him, he'll be used plenty.

Ross i see taking over full return duties and also getting the same amount of offensive opportunities as Aiken got last year. He may not be targeted as much but he'll start to see offensive snaps.

The issue will become who leaves once Ross is added. I don't see 7 WRs kept and i don't think Waller gets IRed unless it's a serious injury. Camp could be hurt at any moment but that's the only way he'd exit the roster. So with that said, I'm feeling that either Aiken or Brown is cut at some point this year.

When Perriman and Ross bring some added athleticism and Speed to the offense, i think the less productive of the 2 will be released. Now of course both guys could play extremely well but i think the Ravens are given both guys a chance to show they can handle a larger role as Smith's role starts to reduce. They played basically the same amount of snaps with Sr and Aiken at 44 and Marlon at 34. Once Camp starts to get schemed into the offense more, which i expect starting Sunday and Perriman returns one of those guys will be bumped down to 5th and eventually off the roster when and if Ross is added. The Bye week is my target date. Show and prove or be shown the door for Brown or Aiken.

[Ravensfan23]

It may not be too early to make that projection. Now that we know SSS is retiring, I cannot see us rolling with our current WR corps, minus SSS. Even if we did wish to go WR round 1 for the second straight year (which I highly doubt), I still think they will want to complement the crew of relatively young players with a solid vet. 

 

That makes sense. What doesn't is the fact that this thread was created to discuss making a WR trade now ... which just seems like fantasy. I simply don't see it happening.

The only problem with that is where does this vet play and at who's expense? Seems the entire fan base is ready to write the WRs off after just one game. Not saying that's you. But there is still an entire season to be played and even though it's a lot of ifs, what if Perriman is everything the coaches believe he is? What if Camp stays healthy and crushes in the slot? What if Brown or Aiken prove to be a guy who can catch 60-70 balls with 5+ TDs as a #2 type. Who's development are you willing to stump for the sake of a Vet WR?

Again it's a lot of ifs that needs to come together, but coaches were excited about Brown for a reason this offseason. Engram and Trestman raved about Perriman, albeit non contact. We've seen what Camp can do over the middle in space and wouldn't be surprised to see a ton of screens for him. So if all this comes together and Engram finally develops a young WRs corp for the Ravens are you still willing to bring in a Vet?

You really couldn't pass up on the opportunity to bring a pissed off Steve Smith in last year, especially knowing you could possibly lose Torrey. But an argument could be made that bringing him in stunted Browns growth a bit.

[balfan23]

The only problem with that is where does this vet play and at who's expense? Seems the entire fan base is ready to write the WRs off after just one game. Not saying that's you. But there is still an entire season to be played and even though it's a lot of ifs, what if Perriman is everything the coaches believe he is? What if Camp stays healthy and crushes in the slot? What if Brown or Aiken prove to be a guy who can catch 60-70 balls with 5+ TDs as a #2 type. Who's development are you willing to stump for the sake of a Vet WR?

Again it's a lot of ifs that needs to come together, but coaches were excited about Brown for a reason this offseason. Engram and Trestman raved about Perriman, albeit non contact. We've seen what Camp can do over the middle in space and wouldn't be surprised to see a ton of screens for him. So if all this comes together and Engram finally develops a young WRs corp for the Ravens are you still willing to bring in a Vet?

You really couldn't pass up on the opportunity to bring a pissed off Steve Smith in last year, especially knowing you could possibly lose Torrey. But an argument could be made that bringing him in stunted Browns growth a bit.

My comment is not based on a one-game assessment. Nothing could be assessed in that game, given how poorly the line played. True ... the statement is premature, but that is indeed a long list of ifs. If any one of them doesn't come to fruition, then we'll be leaving ourselves thin at the position without adding someone to the mix next year. I guess I'm just of the opinion that the odds are more than 50-50 they won't all come true.

 

Even all falls into place, you're looking at a corp where the most seasoned guy would be 26 and will have had no more than a a couple years of anything that resembles real playing time. Maybe that's OK, but it doesn't follow what seems to be the norm for our team over the years, or for most teams make in the league. 

 

Anyway ... I'll stop there. I never really like thinking at length on what we're going to do next year, until the current season is in the books. 

[RavensFanMania]

Looking at the replay..I thought Yanda struggled also. Nobody @oline had any sort of sync/flow to them. One guy fails an assignment, then another guy(screws up)the very next play. They weren't on the same page.

Most surprisingly, it was harder to watch the right side(Yanda &Wagner) then the left. I thought Hurst and KO handled the job better than the right.

according to PFF, Yanda is the only one on the line that had a plus rated.  Believe he was plus 2.2 or something like that.

[jazz1988]

The sky is not falling, but it is the same problem we had versus the Eagles and everyone said calm down it's only preseason. Well, if we look up -- they are starting to count.

 

Well our running game was better against The Eagles in the preseason and our pass protection was better as well.

[Ravensfan23]

My comment is not based on a one-game assessment. Nothing could be assessed in that game, given how poorly the line played. True ... the statement is premature, but that is indeed a long list of ifs. If any one of them doesn't come to fruition, then we'll be leaving ourselves thin at the position without adding someone to the mix next year. I guess I'm just of the opinion that the odds are more than 50-50 they won't all come true.

 

Even all falls into place, you're looking at a corp where the most seasoned guy would be 26 and will have had no more than a a couple years of anything that resembles real playing time. Maybe that's OK, but it doesn't follow what seems to be the norm for our team over the years, or for most teams make in the league. 

 

Anyway ... I'll stop there. I never really like thinking at length on what we're going to do next year, until the current season is in the books.

Yea i get that and it definitely seems the Ravens favor adding that Vet but Ozzie was willing to hand the WR group over to Torrey in 2013, so if you could get solid and consistent production from at least two of these guys i don't think they'll add a vet. Sometimes you have to let young guys play themselves either into starting roles or off the roster. This is that year. If none of these guys step up then of course you go out and find a vet by trade or FA. This is the last year for either Aiken or Brown. One of those guys gotta step up because they are past the potential stage. But if they play well enough and you start to see these guys define their roles. Perriman shows he can run a full route tree and make plays at very level. Brown shows he can be a solid #2 WR who can consistently move the chains inside or outside and take advantage of lesser coverage a time. If Camp show he can be a force in the slot, you roll with those guys and sprinkle Waller in throughout the season. They are all ifs, but I've had confidence in this group since day one and i haven't seen much to chances that for me right now.

[billick]

 SSS being our only reliable target

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What game did you watch, it wasn't Ravens / Broncos.

 

Duhh, the drop sunk the ship.

[jimmypowder]

SSS being our only reliable target

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What game did you watch, it wasn't Ravens / Broncos.

Duhh, the drop sunk the ship.

Yup . He catches the pass that hit him in the face mask , we win .

Wasn't tipped either .

Edited September 19, 2015 by jimmypowder

[Dfence4champs2052]

The Eagles head coach didn't create the scheme and playbook our offense is using.  Also our defense looked very bad against the Eagles on all levels versus dominating the Broncos offense.  It's not the same problem at all outside of us losing.

 

I said it before but I won't be concerned until the offense has a game this bad against a team who's HC didn't create our offensive playbook.  Kubiak and Phillips knew our playbook better than Trestman who's just learning it also.  Plus their pass rushers are on another level than most

 

 

No running game and zero passing yards seems to be the same. But I'll let you tell it.

[Purple_City39]

No running game and zero passing yards seems to be the same. But I'll let you tell it.

Gotcha, all bad offensive games mean the same thing happened.  I wonder if the coaching staff looks at tape of the game or they just say, "hey, we did bad just like in the Eagles game and since we reviewed that game already, no need to review the Broncos game tape.  Clearly if we performed badly it means the same mistakes happened for the same reasons".  

[Sami84]

Yup . He catches the pass that hit him in the face mask , we win .

Wasn't tipped either .

 

wouldnt say that. denver had a time out with 44 seconds and only needed a field goal (which in that stadium is a piece of cake even at 50 yards.)

[FlackAttack]

Yup . He catches the pass that hit him in the face mask , we win .

Wasn't tipped either .

 

what game were you watching?? defender def got a hand on it. lol @ people blaming smith for dropping that. smh.

[kassaiscool]

Like I have been saying for a while, we have a bunch of guys at receiver. Fans and local media pump it out as a big competition but the majority of our receiving core is undrafted, and Steve Smith who is 36 years old and still is the unquestioned number 1 receiver with a bunch of you guys under him. The receivers may make plays from time to time, but they are not a consistent threat. Yes I know Breshad is injured, but can you imagine if Steve Smith gets injured? lmao, the offense will die.

[January J]

Like I have been saying for a while, we have a bunch of guys at receiver. Fans and local media pump it out as a big competition but the majority of our receiving core is undrafted, and Steve Smith who is 36 years old and still is the unquestioned number 1 receiver with a bunch of you guys under him. The receivers may make plays from time to time, but they are not a consistent threat. Yes I know Breshad is injured, but can you imagine if Steve Smith gets injured? lmao, the offense will die.

and that would be hilarious.

[ellicottraven]

We sucked on offense big time against Denver, but trading for a WR? Why? We need to protect Joe because it is now clearly established that without adequate protection, he simply cannot get the ball out of his hands to his receivers period. I don't really think it is about the receiving corps, but more so providing Flacco the protection he needs to be able to find his receivers accurately and not just fling the balls out in space.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

We sucked on offense big time against Denver, but trading for a WR? Why? We need to protect Joe because it is now clearly established that without adequate protection, he simply cannot get the ball out of his hands to his receivers period. I don't really think it is about the receiving corps, but more so providing Flacco the protection he needs to be able to find his receivers accurately and not just fling the balls out in space.

I agree wholeheartedly. What we need most of all is a TE like Tony Gonzalez, i.e., a receiver who

reaches out to receive the ball like a power forward basketball player. By season's end, this may

well be Max Williams, if not Crockett Gilmore. When Joe throws a jump ball at the goal line with the game on the line, our TE must catch it. That's all!

[Dfence4champs2052]

Gotcha, all bad offensive games mean the same thing happened.  I wonder if the coaching staff looks at tape of the game or they just say, "hey, we did bad just like in the Eagles game and since we reviewed that game already, no need to review the Broncos game tape.  Clearly if we performed badly it means the same mistakes happened for the same reasons".  

 

So they clearly did it your way. Good job.

[HoldingCall]

Solve the OL problems first! OL problems can prevent any QB from throwing his best catchable pass. WRs, should not be blamed for not catching way off target passes due to the throws being rushed. It's one problem to adjust to an off pass but yet another problem when a defender is around or in the way.

 

We can't know how bad the WRs are until Joe has time to throw an unrushed pass. Kubiak's presence last season seem to solve the problem. Now he is gone and the problem reappears.

 

Some may point to the fact the Steve Smith was most targeted, and from that assume no one else is getting open. To the contrary, Joe just doesn't have time to look beyond his number 1 receiver. This can be clearly seem by watching the game. When Joe went to another receiver, Joe looked for that receiver first.

[PurpleCity5]

FWIW, Id doubt heavily we'd trade for a WR, but there is a chance we can sign a stud. This was brought up last year but Id look at Vincent Jackson from Tampa very closely. Last season he was nearly traded and they decided to keep him to be a mentor/role model for Jameis and they were hopeful he could bounce back from a sub-par year. So far he hasn't been impressive and the cap # is deadly. They released Michael Johnson after one season due to cap, I wouldn't be shocked if VJax got released. I think he would be a great replacement for Steve.

Hes put up great #s in a bad system, with bad coaching and a bad QB.

Edited September 23, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[usmccharles]

FWIW, Id doubt heavily we'd trade for a WR, but there is a chance we can sign a stud. This was brought up last year but Id look at Vincent Jackson from Tampa very closely. Last season he was nearly traded and they decided to keep him to be a mentor/role model for Jameis and they were hopeful he could bounce back from a sub-par year. So far he hasn't been impressive and the cap # is deadly. They released Michael Johnson after one season due to cap, I wouldn't be shocked if VJax got released. I think he would be a great replacement for Steve.

Hes put up great #s in a bad system, with bad coaching and a bad QB.

Roddy White is someone i see us going after, althought i would rather have Vjax.  Hell, i wonder what is going to happen with Boldin.  This is the problem though when you dont address the situation earlier.  The FO waited until Torrey left which puts pressure on whoever comes in for him (BP) and then you have to build chemistry with Joe, so the learning curve is obvious.  Matters get worse when your number one wr says hes going to retire.  So as of right now we will be going into the begining of next season as BP as our number one wr? thats scary.  Obviously we assume we sign someone, at least we will have cap room next year. 

[Tru11]

you will need to hope they want a cheap deal though.

or like steve smith will be in a situation that the team that released them still owes them money.

 

i doubt they will sign for vet minimum and we wont have much cap.

 

tucker, osemele, yanda and upshaw as starters all need a new deal and i think we will only manage to keep 3 at most.

[JoeyFlex5]

i remember people saying "let aiken and brown play, lets see what we have with these guys!"

 

lol.. remember 2013?

[jazz1988]

i remember people saying "let aiken and brown play, lets see what we have with these guys!"

 

lol.. remember 2013?

 

Aiken actually played well after his  fumble and he would have probably had two touchdowns  if Flacco was a little accurate on his throws especially  on that deep pass where Aiken had his man beat deep. Brown did ok and he also could have made  a big play if Flacco just was little more accurate with his passes.  I don't think the receiver position is a problem at all and I think it's better than the receiver group from 2013.

 

It's unfair to even judge them  since it's only week 3 at the moment but we shall see.

[Ravens2343]

you will need to hope they want a cheap deal though.

or like steve smith will be in a situation that the team that released them still owes them money.

 

i doubt they will sign for vet minimum and we wont have much cap.

 

tucker, osemele, yanda and upshaw as starters all need a new deal and i think we will only manage to keep 3 at most.

 

The good thing is that Rice's and Ngata's dead money come off the books after the season I believe.  Couple that with the expected extension of Flacco and we should have a decent amount of cap space.  Yanda will be the biggest cost we will have and I expect Tucker to get the franchise tag.  Expect a guy like Zuttah to be cut or restructured as well as Webb.  We should have a decent amount of cap space for the first time in a few years.

[RavensFanMania]

FWIW, Id doubt heavily we'd trade for a WR, but there is a chance we can sign a stud. This was brought up last year but Id look at Vincent Jackson from Tampa very closely. Last season he was nearly traded and they decided to keep him to be a mentor/role model for Jameis and they were hopeful he could bounce back from a sub-par year. So far he hasn't been impressive and the cap # is deadly. They released Michael Johnson after one season due to cap, I wouldn't be shocked if VJax got released. I think he would be a great replacement for Steve.

Hes put up great #s in a bad system, with bad coaching and a bad QB.

I don't know.  I've always thought VJax was overrated.  Yes he hasn't had the best quarterback play since leaving San Diego, but I just don't see him on the Ravens.  I never thought he was a guy to put out 100% all the time.  SSS is putting out 110% on every play.  There aren't many of these guys around.  I'm glad we have him, but I wish we had him when he was younger. 

Edited September 24, 2015 by RavensFanMania