Potential PR/KR Addition

[RayRocks]

LaMichael James was just waived by the Dolphins, per Bleacher Report.  I think he's probably a far superior ST option to anyone else we have on the roster, and could also be a weapon on offense. He's definitely struggled so far in his career, but I think he might be worth a shot to boost our ST play and keep Steve Smith away from punt returns.

 

Thoughts?

[rmcjacket23]

I don't expect us to sign a kick returner now or in the near future.

 

Just don't see a whole lot of reason for at it this point.

[Wildabeast88]

I don't like him seems like there is always drama around him he had issues in SF and got in a fight with I think Landry in Miami and them fumble yesterday I will pass on him let Chip Kelly take him back

Edited September 14, 2015 by Wildabeast88

[Ravenseconbeast]

He isn't that good. If we let Jacoby go, let's see what our guys have to offer.

[GrimCoconut]

I personally think we have bigger problems than KR/PR but hey, if Ozzie likes the idea, go for it. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Kick Returner is honestly more of a luxury if anything. We were beyond spoiled with Jacoby.

[Gordo52]

The only problem I have so far this season is Steve Smith returning punts... I can understand putting him in if we need to make a play towards the end of the game, but God it's risky for our offense. Rather see Camp back there but coach knows more than I do.

[rmcjacket23]

The only problem I have so far this season is Steve Smith returning punts... I can understand putting him in if we need to make a play towards the end of the game, but God it's risky for our offense. Rather see Camp back there but coach knows more than I do.

I get that its perceived as risky, but then again, does anybody really know how risky it is?

 

Is there any sort of statistical backing that would show how often punt returners get injured while returning kicks? It seems to me I can't think of barely any, if any, situations where I recall this happening (or at least not to a "high profile" guy).

[MTRavensFan]

I get that its perceived as risky, but then again, does anybody really know how risky it is?

 

Is there any sort of statistical backing that would show how often punt returners get injured while returning kicks? It seems to me I can't think of barely any, if any, situations where I recall this happening (or at least not to a "high profile" guy).

This came up elsewhere - really, is returning punts inherently more dangerous than their regular job as WR or CB, or is that just a misperception? I mean, those guys get injured all the time just doing what they normally do, it would be interesting to look at some actual statistics.

[rmcjacket23]

This came up elsewhere - really, is returning punts inherently more dangerous than their regular job as WR or CB, or is that just a misperception? I mean, those guys get injured all the time just doing what they normally do, it would be interesting to look at some actual statistics.

Didn't do a ton of research, but couldn't really find anything related to this.

 

Conventional wisdom says the more frequently you are on the field, the more likely you are to get injured, which I do agree with.

 

But I think we are acting like punt returners get injured frequently while returning kicks, which I would bet is not the case at all.

 

If it were the case, somehow I don't think the Steelers or Broncos are sending Brown and Sanders out there to return punts. 

[rmw10]

I brought it up in another thread, but I have my doubts that going back to return is significantly more risky than playing a natural position.  I don't have numbers to back it up or anything, of course.  In Jacoby's 3 years here, he was injured once on returns.  That one time was a freak play in which Trawick ran into him.  Sure, that could happen to Steve Smith, but I'd say the odds are significantly stacked against something like that happening.  It's a risk you take, and I don't view it as any more risk than playing an offensive or defensive position.  It's a risk putting any player on the field at any given moment.

Edited September 16, 2015 by rmw10

[GrimCoconut]

I think this myth started because of the NFL. They changed the kickoff spot, I believe, due to "injuries" a couple years back. That's at least what I recall so I might be mistaken. I think this rationale stuck in the minds of some as the explanation for injuries. The reality is I don't see any correlation for increased injury outside of the fact that the more a player is on the field, the more likely they are to be tired, less effective, and have more chances to maybe get hurt.

[rmw10]

I think this myth started because of the NFL. They changed the kickoff spot, I believe, due to "injuries" a couple years back. That's at least what I recall so I might be mistaken. I think this rationale stuck in the minds of some as the explanation for injuries. The reality is I don't see any correlation for increased injury outside of the fact that the more a player is on the field, the more likely they are to be tired, less effective, and have more chances to maybe get hurt.

 

Even with that, I think the concern was more for guys on the coverage and blocking teams, and not necessarily the returner.  I seem to recall them making that move because these guys were running into each other full speed.  Sure, it can happen to the returner, and I'm sure that played in as well, but it's not solely a risk to the guy carrying the ball.

[GrimCoconut]

Even with that, I think the concern was more for guys on the coverage and blocking teams, and not necessarily the returner. I seem to recall them making that move because these guys were running into each other full speed. Sure, it can happen to the returner, and I'm sure that played in as well, but it's not solely a risk to the guy carrying the ball.

I'm not disagreeing. I'm only suggesting what I believe started the myth that returners are more likely to get injured. It's probably a misunderstanding from the perspective of the fans.

[rmw10]

I'm not disagreeing. I'm only suggesting what I believe started the myth that returners are more likely to get injured. It's probably a misunderstanding from the perspective of the fans.

 

Oh yeah I agree.  Based on this article, it's saying that more injuries happen on the coverage team than the returning team.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81ee38c1/article/nfl-moves-kickoffs-to-35yard-line-touchbacks-unchanged

[Gordo52]

I get that its perceived as risky, but then again, does anybody really know how risky it is?

Is there any sort of statistical backing that would show how often punt returners get injured while returning kicks? It seems to me I can't think of barely any, if any, situations where I recall this happening (or at least not to a "high profile" guy).

Too valuable for our offense to go down from something due to special teams... *Knock on wood*

I can't put a number on it but obviously the more you play, the greater chance of getting hurt. If it takes 1 rep away from him on offense it's definitely not worth it, IMO.

[rmcjacket23]

Too valuable for our offense to go down from something due to special teams... *Knock on wood*

I can't put a number on it but obviously the more you play, the greater chance of getting hurt. If it takes 1 rep away from him on offense it's definitely not worth it, IMO.

Just don't the risk is that high. As I said before, if it was perceived that risky, Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders aren't going back to return punts, but they do.

[Drew P]

I'm not disagreeing. I'm only suggesting what I believe started the myth that returners are more likely to get injured. It's probably a misunderstanding from the perspective of the fans.

 

 

The only problem I have so far this season is Steve Smith returning punts... I can understand putting him in if we need to make a play towards the end of the game, but God it's risky for our offense. Rather see Camp back there but coach knows more than I do.

 

No doubt. The risk is losing the only WR on the roster that's proven himself in this league

[January J]

the more snaps you see, the more oppurtunity there is for injury. with that being said, gotta put the best players on the feild. any advantage you can get you should take, because it is a game of inches and could be the difference of winning and losing. and one loss could be the difference of going to the playoffs or going home.

[bMore Heathen]

If we feel like we need a KR we will promote Ross from the PS. He was decent as a WR for the Loins, he could help to take the top off the defense and keep SSS from fielding punts. The question is who gets cut to make room for him? We might have to wait until LT is healthy and McGee would be waived.

[billick]

The Ravens don't seem to need PR/KR types. I believe they had to whole offseason and did nothing.

 

Am I wrong ?