Trestman's Offense: Good, Bad, or Otherwise?

[Bruce_Almty]

The first 4 games the coaches and players are still learning who plays well, what works and what needs attention. Ravens are a good team with good coaches; they'll improve (players and coaches) as the season progresses.

[Ravensfan23]

A deep shot or 2 against those weak safeties wouldn't have hurt. Waller has speed to be a threat instead of those 0 yard pass plays to the flat.

You gotta have time to take those shots. The offense exploited those safeties all game, there was just no time. A deep shot or 2 even if successful wouldn't have sloved much. The problem was poor protection causing Flacco to be uncomfortable in the pockect all day. It's hard to force things when the offense isn't in rhythm all day. It's hard to ask you QB to take a 7 step drop when he can barely get a 3 step or shotgun pass off.

It's frustrating watching the offense perform like that and you always think there's something more that could have been done. But nothing short of the oline and Forsett being better in pass pro would have helped imo.

[KariB57]

We were playing an elite defense and a group of coaches who know flacco well enough to stop him, I'm gonna hold off my judgement until at least week 4, but it really looked like it was trestman trying to run kubiaks offense rather than him running his own and that's kinda worrying, I'd rather have trestman running an offense he's comfortable with.

I'd rather see an offense that Joe is comfortable with.

[Tru11]

the pases went to the backs because there was no time to throw it to the WRs or TEs.

 

routes take time to develop and 1 thing flacco did not have was time.

 

if you go back and watch the replays you would see receivers open but there was simply not enough time for joe to go through his read and make the throw.

 

the issues where more pass protection related rather then play calling.

 

maybe should had the TE`s help or wonder why zuttah/flacco could not adjust at the LOS.

[Drew P]

You gotta have time to take those shots. The offense exploited those safeties all game, there was just no time. A deep shot or 2 even if successful wouldn't have sloved much. The problem was poor protection causing Flacco to be uncomfortable in the pockect all day. It's hard to force things when the offense isn't in rhythm all day. It's hard to ask you QB to take a 7 step drop when he can barely get a 3 step or shotgun pass off.

It's frustrating watching the offense perform like that and you always think there's something more that could have been done. But nothing short of the oline and Forsett being better in pass pro would have helped imo.

 

Agreed but the pick 6 he had time to sign autographs back there. According to the stats Joe was harassed on 65% of drop backs, not good, but there were opportunities to throw at least one home run ball.

[GrimCoconut]

Agreed but the pick 6 he had time to sign autographs back there. According to the stats Joe was harassed on 65% of drop backs, not good, but there were opportunities to throw at least one home run ball.

Yeah, but to be fair, Joe was probably suffering from PTSD at that point. He probably heard foot steps when there weren't any. Eventually the relentless pass rush gets to your head and it affects you. 

[Wildabeast88]

Can't evaluate with the pressure they got. WR worries me though.

agreed need Perriman to get healthy and quick

[Ravensfan23]

Agreed but the pick 6 he had time to sign autographs back there. According to the stats Joe was harassed on 65% of drop backs, not good, but there were opportunities to throw at least one home run ball.

Yea there were opportunities and Joe missed a ton of them as well. He missed Brown down the sideline for a potential TD on the drive we settled for the FG after Jimmy's pick 6. The screen to Aiken was horrible because Joe didn't set his feet, he missed on a key 3rd down that would have put the offense across the 50 and basically in FG range with Tuckers leg, he missed Brown again on a deep read i can't remember when. However my point is that Trestman already had Brown stretching the defense and because Joe's internal clock was sped up in the pocket and the Ravens couldn't keep drives going it made it hard to take the couple shots that were available. Waller wouldn't have changed that imo. Yea a couple shots or two may have helped but the offense just didn't have rhythm, unless Waller was gonna help with that it wasn't much need to put him in imo.

[Shammy]

i know its only week 1 but it looked like cam all over again but hopefully its just that denver D is that good and kubiaks familiarity

[JEEPercreepermd]

He was using a lot of motion early in the game, which I liked.

During the 4th quarter drive at the end, play calls got considerably more agressive.

He seems to be a coach that is more willing to make some adjustments and things like that.

I have a feeling that once Perriman gets back and comfortable in the offense, it will take some heat off of Smith and guys like Aiken and Brown as well as the TE's. Options are just limited right now, Denver knew it and sold out to stop the run, knowing that their corners could hold up against our guys and that they could get pressure off the edge if it was a pass.

No amount of coaching can defeat what Denver did to our offense yesterday, but Test man found a way to get the O in position for a game winning drive which says a lot to me.

[JEEPercreepermd]

i know its only week 1 but it looked like cam all over again but hopefully its just that denver D is that good and kubiaks familiarity

Total night and day difference. The problem was that we couldn't block. When your QB is getting hit every time he throws the ball, and you can't run it you aren't going to have success.

He tried max protecting, but their coverage was too good to get anyone open with 1 or 2 WR's

He tried spreading them out, but that left Hurst and Wagner with no help against Ware and Miller..they were just getting beat everywhere. Scheme and play calling were fine.

Edited September 14, 2015 by JEEPercreepermd

[Cillmatic]

We have no receivers and we had a inconsistent QB. Not possible to grade Trestman at this point.

[TSizzle00]

Can't gauge right now, O-line let defenders in the backfield all day. I know Flacco is tired of changing OC and weapons every other year. Wish we had more consistency when it came to having the offensive pieces like we do on defense.

[gtalk12]

We have no receivers and we had a inconsistent QB. Not possible to grade Trestman at this point.

 

Man the WR's getting open was brutal, then again the Broncos have a top defense

[Guest Omerta]

I honestly liked it,  the only thing I was not a fan of was the swing passes in situations we needed chunk yardage.  I though receivers were opened,  the toys of receivers routes were ran well and complimented each other.  Everything for a successful offense was there except for execution.  

 

I prefer a more aggressive offense against someone like Denver,  but our offense was horrible yesterday.  It was in small part coaching,  that I think in any other game would have gone unnoticed,  but our players were just bad. 

 

It is way to early to use this as a barometer,  but the coaching I liked,  the play I hated. We last and deservedly so,  but I think it was good for us. Our o line got schooled which I think they should and will respond very well.  Our receivers were ok for the most part but we're average at best all culminating in joe not paying well at all.  

 

I think yesterday was a horrible game in comparison to what could be and I think we rebound strongly,  I do think however we cannot be caught up in our off-season coronation.  It will be an attention getter.  I think it was a bad game but positive day. 

[03tsal]

I think it would be a good idea to trade our backup QB to Oakland for a playmaker/ speedy WR.  I thought Renner looked as good if not better than Matt Schuab & the Raiders could use a QB.

Edited September 14, 2015 by 03tsal

[Sami84]

don't worry, i iz still blessing my way through blessing-ness...-Breshad Perriman

[GrimCoconut]

You know what I liked? How much Juszczyk was involved.

[52520Andrew]

Didn't Oakland cut Schaub? Why would they trade for him?

[billick]

Elite defense, or no, we had an easy shot to win the game, and failed.

 

The Denver D was not so tuff, that's an excuse.

 

Our so called receiving corps just failed to catch the football.

[DomMcRaven]

You know what I liked? How much Juszczyk was involved.

Good thing I wasn't the only one who noticed that, but yeah I was pleasantly surprised. I'm looking for Juice and Camps to have a bigger role this Sunday. 

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Its so frustrating every year its the same issue with WRs not getting separation. Looks like Perriman is not playing anytime soon. We cannot rely on a WR past his prime to be our #1, Aiken is clearly not a #2, and they need to put Waller in to see what he can do! I think our D will be fine, if we struggle again on O against Oakland then it's time to worry.  

[K-Dog]

Yeah, but to be fair, Joe was probably suffering from PTSD at that point. He probably heard foot steps when there weren't any. Eventually the relentless pass rush gets to your head and it affects you.

Yeah. Coaches and doctors call it "The Boller Effect "

[Willbacker]

You know what I liked? How much Juszczyk was involved.

 

 

Good thing I wasn't the only one who noticed that, but yeah I was pleasantly surprised. I'm looking for Juice and Camps to have a bigger role this Sunday. 

Definitely moved the ball better when Camp was in there. Getting Juice and the TE's involved is a must. On the outside I'd go with SSS, M Brown and Camp with just a sprinkle of Aiken if they must.lol.

[jimmypowder]

Hate to say it but it felt like i was watching CAM CAmeron but worse. Really didnt see any adjustments in a timely matter.

Yeah that's how I saw it . It was eerily like watching Cam play calling .very predictable .

[cobrajet]

Yesterday was way too predictable and no adjustments were made at halftime to help Joe with the pressure he was under. I know it is only one game, and Denver D was stout, but I was extremely unimpressed.  I did not see Joe roll out one time. Like I said yesterday, it seems like Trestman threw Kubiak's playbook out the window and found an old Cam Cameron playbook to use.  I hope he burns the one he used yesterday and goes out and finds the one that worked last season. 

[DomMcRaven]

Definitely moved the ball better when Camp was in there. Getting Juice and the TE's involved is a must. On the outside I'd go with SSS, M Brown and Camp with just a sprinkle of Aiken if they must.lol.

LOL! At this point, I agree. You would think he should look better against OAK, but who knows. Also, I wouldn't mind if Waller was thrown into the mix. 

[RaineV1]

To me, Trestman's playcalling was nothing like Cam's. He did try multiple ways to beat Denver's defense, from using motion, to spreading things out, and using max protection. The problem wasn't really the playcalling. It was that the Raven's WRs simply couldn't beat Denver's man coverage, and their pass rushers were flat out better than the Ravens' offensive tackles. The Ravens were simply outclassed there, and there wasn't really a way around that.

[cobrajet]

You know what I liked? How much Juszczyk was involved.

Maybe it is a good thing I am not the OC, because I would wear that dude out. I don't understand Trestman. BTW, Juice has good hands and he is a tank....what is not to like?

[Sami84]

this denver teams D line is legit

 

20 sacks in pre season

 

they are going to make teams lives a misery.

 

we can't afford to have a guy like jeremy zuttah who can't pass block to save his life against that lot