[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts vs. Broncos

[BBoogieMan]

Inept Offense always seems to be the way in Baltimore and this goes back since the beginning. We draft offensive players in the draft and get nothing except hearts broken. We got nothing right now. How does this happen year after year? Games like yesterday are why Flacco is not considered elite. Romo without Dez Bryant and no time outs drove his team 72 yards to score the game winning touchdown. I hate it when the Ravens lose! My week is ruined until Sunday for redemption. All is not lost only Cincinnati won yesterday but still..... Tired of the offense always sucking....

Couldn't agree more!!!

[DrinkmoreBeer]

Sorry, but this one ain't on Joe. He threw TWO game winning TD passes in the last drive. SSS dropped the first one. Gilmore had his hands on the second, but let Darian Stewart rip it away. When your receivers don't make plays, your offensive doesn't block, and your running game is pathetic, you lose.

[Ugly Ball]

I liked the little pitch play that actually took advantage of the blitzing. When Joe is getting harassed in the pocket we need more plays like this that take advantage,and make them pay for heavy blitzing !

[KidNme]

All I can say is, I HATE that lob pass Joe does. That kind of pass allows everyone on the field a chance at it. For an Elite QB, I would think he could throw it TO a receiver rather than a mini hail Mary. It would also help if we had any WR's that could separate, of course, We've never had one of those.

It was a good effort and Denver is a good team but we had too many chances to get that win at the end and couldn't get it in. that's the most disappointing part to me. (Outside of losing Suggs for the year)

[Drew P]

Despite losing the game and our Defensive Captain, the great news is Pees is finally calling great defensive plays! Great mix of blitz packages and the players executed them. Also, Jimmy Smith is a straight STUD! He shut down a top 3 receiver and made every tackle possible. I was even really pleased with Webbys aggressive play and Hill's nice deceptive coverages. running to the line and either coming in to make a play or dropping back in coverage so quickly certainly made Peyton think twice.

 

I still don't get the Matteson 3 man rush against a vet like Manning on third down it was easy pickings Sanders vs. Webb.

[Drew P]

I support Flacco, but you HAVE to know getting pressured on 3rd down and on your own 20 yard line to just eat that, or throw the ball away. We were up 4 on the road and the defense was looking impressive. If they punt that away on 4th down, at worst you need a FG later in the game and probably may have not even needed any scoring. The interception was a back breaker. It put them in the position to need a score - and they nearly pulled it off. I thought he was too casual with the last throw. They had 4 downs to put it in there, and surely we could have gotten a better look. Typical Joe on the road i guess. On another note, Monroe is awful and is always nicked up and sitting. That was money wasted at LT. if the center of the line is going to cave in like that and allow pressure, Zuttah should be benched in favor of Urschel to see if he fares any better. Monroe is going to constantly be missing time, so we may as well count on Hurst playing, or use KO on the left and use Urschel at left guard.

 

No doubt about Monroe he's unreliable and when at "100%" isn't the best option as a #1.

[Crusader]

If Joe was "elite" he would not have under thrown the possible touchdown pass at the end of the game. So that puts that to rest. Eight years in an Joe is not getting any more accurate.

[Crusader]

So I'm guessing you missed the play where Joe decided he was gonna play catch with Aqib Talib...

Yea lets test one of the best CB in the league and see how that works out for you. So was the other CB on the other side better?

[The Mom Gene]

If Joe was "elite" he would not have under thrown the possible touchdown pass at the end of the game. So that puts that to rest. Eight years in an Joe is not getting any more accurate.

 

"Elite Joe" took the offense down the field in the final drive and gave us a shot at a "W".  Something he was unable to do the entire game because of the Denver pass rush....  Are you kidding me?  Given the strength and build of Crockett, I say he makes that catch with a little more experience under his belt.   There was nothing wrong with the "accuracy" of that throw...  Gillmore was sandwiched there....

[J.O.14]

Even as ugly as it was offensively, I thought our defense looked great. Secondary is much improved, and will keep getting better. CJ Mosley is a beast. Now we need Upshaw to step up. Perfect opportunity in a contract year. I see us signing a pass rusher though. Offensively we obviously looked terrible. Our line struggled big time, Flacco struggled badky, couldn't run, and we have one receiver who is a threat. Lot of work to do, but we are still a very good team, especially defensively.

[reed20fence]

So I'm guessing you missed the play where Joe decided he was gonna play catch with Aqib Talib...

Honestly I don't know why we aren't making a fuss about this but being in the stadium watching from the cheap seats, we all thought Talib could easily have been called for either PI or holding on the play. It was an 8 yard in or slant and right up until Joe released the ball Talib was jamming Smith preventing him from breaking his route. Until I heard Smith and Joe talk about it non-chalantly after the game, I thought Joe may have simply thrown it to the spot where SSS was supposed to be simply to get an easy flag cuz he saw the holding.

You go and rewatch that play develop and sure enough, the reason Talib is able to jump the route is cuz he's holding SSS from breaking.

Edited September 14, 2015 by reed20fence

[terpmaniac]

Man, I hate losing these damn opening games. You have to sit on the loss for a week and it puts way too much pressure on the next game(thank goodness its Oakland but hell they lost too and will be just as determined to not go 0-2). Gonna try to keep it postive. Defense played great. Our secondary played well and game was winnable and we lost our first game last year as well and still did some damage at the end of the year. Keeping the faith.

[PurpleReigning]

Aaron Rogers rules for not throwing pics:

1) No premeditated throws

2) Never throw blind

Joe broke both of those rules throwing it to Talib. It was an inexcusable interception. PERIOD. He's making $20 mil per year now, so he gets no room for that kind of mistake. Yes, Smith dropped the ball. Yes, Gilmore could've made the contested catch. Yes. Darryl Smith should've squeezed the interception. But they don't make 20 MILLION!! The reason you pay the QB and you give up the quality depth, is for him to not make boneheaded plays. I'm not saying it's his fault the Ravens lost, I'm saying, more than anyone else on that team, he cannot make that play. And he makes one HUGE mistake every.....single.....game. I've said it on this very page for years.

[ckarp34]

We can say it was this and say it was that about our loss. But one truth that was extremely apparent (besides our line struggling) is the lack of receivers we have. Steve Smith is the only one. All of our other guys, as I quote all the time, are "maybe" receivers. Well, maybe they can become this or maybe they will be the answer to that...ugh. C'mon Bmore fans, you need to know football better than that. Joe secretly has no faith in his WR's. 6 completions to WR's?? All game? Steve Smith is our only guy and that's not hard to defend when it's only one real guy to worry about. Remember those bombs Joe was raining down in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters? Oh wait, there were none. WOW. None. Perriman's speed is needed to blow that top off of a DEF to open the run and intermediate routes and without any real speed at WR we are truly in trouble. Pessimistic post here...maybe...but also realistic. I have faith our season is still going to be good but man, we really need help at WR...now. Anyone that thinks otherwise, well, just doesn't know football.

[bioLarzen]

Even as ugly as it was offensively, I thought our defense looked great.

 

The did most of the time - but let's not forget that it was a painfully ineffective Broncos O... Last night Peyton was no better than an average Geno Smith or Josh McCown... He presented no resistance, threw himspef on the turf whenever a defender got within a few yards of him, and never really attempted a deeper pass.

 

That said, the D was really doing a good job, despite that 80+-yard drive where they let Manning march down the field - the longest drive in Peytons whole career... But the real test of the D didn't come last night... It's gonna be week#4 in Pittsburgh... and against the Chargers... and the Seahawks... and the Bengals... and the Cards... and the Chiefs...

[Bat-mite]

We can say it was this and say it was that about our loss. But one truth that was extremely apparent (besides our line struggling) is the lack of receivers we have. Steve Smith is the only one. All of our other guys, as I quote all the time, are "maybe" receivers. Well, maybe they can become this or maybe they will be the answer to that...ugh. C'mon Bmore fans, you need to know football better than that. Joe secretly has no faith in his WR's. 6 completions to WR's?? All game? Steve Smith is our only guy and that's not hard to defend when it's only one real guy to worry about. Remember those bombs Joe was raining down in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters? Oh wait, there were none. WOW. None. Perriman's speed is needed to blow that top off of a DEF to open the run and intermediate routes and without any real speed at WR we are truly in trouble. Pessimistic post here...maybe...but also realistic. I have faith our season is still going to be good but man, we really need help at WR...now. Anyone that thinks otherwise, well, just doesn't know football.

Agreed.  Look at the Broncos.  They have one of the greatest QBs of all time PLUS Damariyus Thomas PLUS Immanuel Sanders PLUS Aqib Talib PLUS ... ah, you get the picture.  We are short on superstars.  Still, we played well enough to keep Pey-Pey out of the endzone and held them to 19 points.  For an opening game on the road, that's pretty encouraging.

[runcontrol]

Aaron Rogers rules for not throwing pics: 1) No premeditated throws 2) Never throw blind Joe broke both of those rules throwing it to Talib. It was an inexcusable interception. PERIOD. He's making $20 mil per year now, so he gets no room for that kind of mistake. Yes, Smith dropped the ball. Yes, Gilmore could've made the contested catch. Yes. Darryl Smith should've squeezed the interception. But they don't make 20 MILLION!! The reason you pay the QB and you give up the quality depth, is for him to not make boneheaded plays. I'm not saying it's his fault the Ravens lost, I'm saying, more than anyone else on that team, he cannot make that play. And he makes one HUGE mistake every.....single.....game. I've said it on this very page for years.

 

First, before anyone says I am being I blind fan, I know the interception by Talib was 100% on Flacco. But lets get somethings straight. 

 

Every qb has premeditated throws, How else do you think these elite qbs are about to get rid of the ball so quickly? Most plays they usually have a good idea of where they are going with the ball. With that said, throwing blindly is always a bad idea, but sometimes you have to trust your receiver will be where he is supposed to be and some are saying Smith wasn't where he was supposed to be.  

 

Considering Flacco doesn't turn the ball over that often I don't know how he can have HUGE mistakes every game.  Clearly your definition of HUGE mistakes is different than mine.  But if you watch every football game I am sure, during most of them, you could find a "HUGE" mistake each qb made. 

Edited September 14, 2015 by runcontrol

[iluvpurple]

So I'm guessing you missed the play where Joe decided he was gonna play catch with Aqib Talib...

So I'm guessing you are gonna blame Joe no matter what and base the ENTIRE game on that one mistake, and his final drive meant absolutely nothing when not 1, but 2 of our guys had a chance to make a catch and win this game...... And I guess Peyton's interception was excusable when he played no better than Joe...... All you Flacco haters are unbelievable....

[Militant X 1]

The receivers failed to consistently gain separation

 

^ This is said about the Ravens receivers EVERY SEASON!

Edited September 14, 2015 by Militant X 1

[btfan2]

First off "Elite", does not mean perfect. Second once again Joe is put in a lose, lose position by the Ravens less then steller management. Every time Joe has a recieving core(albeit - less then needed) the Ravens get rid of them and leave Joe with nothing. Oh yeah we have Steve Smith, good guy fun to watch.

The second part of the lose, lose once again a poorly coach "O", line.

First game of the seson so hopefully just a bump in the road, unless the "O", continues to struggle. We'll see.

[Fastynart]

First the good (not much). The defense, especially Brandon Williams did a good job overall. Yes, they still left too many receivers wide open and yes they should have gotten after an immobile Manning a lot more. Dropping back 8 men to cover and still giving up huge yardage says it all. The offense, well, lets just say the offense stunk. In the first half the offensive line was the problem. In the second half Joe was the problem. He is still the same old Joe. He can't think on the fly. He stares receivers down. He can't read the defense. He can't change the play audibly. The Ravens should have destroyed old man Manning. He looked terrible. He couldn't throw anything accurately more than 8 yards, and when pressured, he folded. The Ravens should have won this game easily but they played soft defense, allowing Denver to run 11 minutes off the clock in the final quarter. Just ugly.

[chuchu707]

what i seen?

we have a superbowl team! we held a great offense to no points, without jernigan!

if Manning destroyed us in the past and we came back with revenge and won, imagine what we will do this time?

adjustments: I think we should try terrence brooks at Nickle, imagine his speed and hitting power blizing and hawking slots

we need someone to stretch the field, more speed!

we have to keep Campanaro in the slot, no one on the team is better at that position than him'

overall im not pissed, we showed the NFL great things are coming for us and its time for revenge

[djbones]

How come Joe didn't pass to Crockett Gillmore more often and before the 4th quarter. We have some issue with the OC, like peyton is having with Kubiack and the new approach they have. Everybody knew they would put the heat on Joe and we didn't do nothing about it until the last drive. The D was on point looking forward to see them against a better off team.

[Crusader]

"Elite Joe" took the offense down the field in the final drive and gave us a shot at a "W".  Something he was unable to do the entire game because of the Denver pass rush....  Are you kidding me?  Given the strength and build of Crockett, I say he makes that catch with a little more experience under his belt.   There was nothing wrong with the "accuracy" of that throw...  Gillmore was sandwiched there....

"Elite" QB don't throw interceptions in the end zone. Joe is not very accurate to be considered "Elite"  Joe seldom hits any one in stride. The passes are either high or behind.

[cec327]

The Ravens are a play-off team. Very good defense with a good offence even though they lost the game. Time to move on.

[Halshayeji]

"Elite" QB don't throw interceptions in the end zone. Joe is not very accurate to be considered "Elite"  Joe seldom hits any one in stride. The passes are either high or behind.

Finally some objectivity around here! Yeah we all love Joe and are glad he's our QB but he's not the most accurate out there. He rarely hits his WRs in stride. I've been saying this for years and no one wants to accept the fact. This game is on Joe. 9 of his 18 completions were to backfield guys. Put down the purple cool aid guys because Joe himself would admit that this game is on him. Time to get back to work!

[ashoganesyan]

This game is on everyone on the team, except the secondary. Flacco got rattled and was throwing very uncomfortably, that is due to the fact that to O line was folding faster than a house of cards, the receivers barely had chances to make plays, and when they did they couldn't come up with the plays they were supposed to. Case and point a veteran receiver like Steve Smith Sr. has to catch a ball and win the game and not let it bounce of his helmet. I think he is a great and feisty receiver but that was a clutch play he couldn't make. The running game was disgusting again because the O line couldn't block anything out there. On defense Yea we lost T Sizzle, but lets be honest, except for experience and heart, he didn't bring much more to the D and was on a decline, otherwise the defense was immaculate, I am not concerned at all. Mosley is a beast, Jimmy Smith is a beast, Webb played great. Once Monroe is back we will be great on defense. Offense needs major help thought. Flacco needs targets and protection and an explosive runner, all those areas right now are barely mediocre. Hopefully Periman can bring something good to this team in terms of a deep receiver. But most importantly defense wins championships and we got a solid solid defense that is going to get even better with maturation of the great young players we have and a few holes that need to be filled. And Denver was the best team we are going to play all year, so it will only get easier from here on out especially knowing we were only one catch away from coming up with the win.

[fusuymada]

Before I pile on Joe like a bunch of people here, I would say that he had his best statistical year last year under Kubiak and so did the entire offense. The offensive play calling against Denver was horrible, no adjustments to chip the ends coming around the corner, Trestman just kept clearing the WRs, TEs and running backs and Flacco could do nothing but duck and throw. After watching a real OC last year, unless Trestman changes the way he does things, we might as well just resign Cam Cameron. We have the talent to do better than we did and it is on Trestman to get it out of the guys.

[bryangraham013@gmail.ocm]

stop piling on Joe yes, he shouldn't have thrown that pass to Steve who was completely covered by Talib but Ravens Nation we have one of the better quarterbacks in the NfL a lot of things went wrong WR got no separation at all oh and there was no running game at all either just name a few things so stop blaming Joe at the time Ravens Nation!

[Halshayeji]

This game is on everyone on the team, except the secondary. Flacco got rattled and was throwing very uncomfortably, that is due to the fact that to O line was folding faster than a house of cards, the receivers barely had chances to make plays, and when they did they couldn't come up with the plays they were supposed to. Case and point a veteran receiver like Steve Smith Sr. has to catch a ball and win the game and not let it bounce of his helmet. I think he is a great and feisty receiver but that was a clutch play he couldn't make. The running game was disgusting again because the O line couldn't block anything out there. On defense Yea we lost T Sizzle, but lets be honest, except for experience and heart, he didn't bring much more to the D and was on a decline, otherwise the defense was immaculate, I am not concerned at all. Mosley is a beast, Jimmy Smith is a beast, Webb played great. Once Monroe is back we will be great on defense. Offense needs major help thought. Flacco needs targets and protection and an explosive runner, all those areas right now are barely mediocre. Hopefully Periman can bring something good to this team in terms of a deep receiver. But most importantly defense wins championships and we got a solid solid defense that is going to get even better with maturation of the great young players we have and a few holes that need to be filled. And Denver was the best team we are going to play all year, so it will only get easier from here on out especially knowing we were only one catch away from coming up with the win.

I love how everyone is brushing away Suggs injury like it's no big deal and wish I had your positive spin. It's true that Suggs is on the decline but he's declining from the best Defensive Player in the NFL not too long ago. He's the best edge setter, screen disturber, on this team. He's smart, reeeeeal smart on the football field. Makes everyone around him. You guys forget that he had double digit sacks while attracting most of the double teams. Thus doom blossomed. We lost a guy that every opponent had to game plan against or he'd just wreck the game. He's still a top 10 guy in this league and would start on 31 other teams.

The D looked beautiful last night. I loved it. But loosing Suggs was a huge blow. We even felt his loss in the 4th quarter......

I just hope we haven't seen the last of him. This injury sucks! It's a year till he can play again and another year till he's 100 percent. Even if he starts week 1 he'll only have 70-80 percent of his quickness. I'm glad this unit is deep and talented all across but I'm bummed.