Potential FA Pass Rushers

[ravensfan160]

I think we will run a lot more 4-3 now with Suggs gone but a lot will depend on if Z Smith is ready or not. I have a feeling he still needs a bit more time so more 4-3 gets our best players on the field.

[GrimCoconut]

I think we will run a lot more 4-3 now with Suggs gone but a lot will depend on if Z Smith is ready or not. I have a feeling he still needs a bit more time so more 4-3 gets our best players on the field.

I disagree. I do like our personnel, but I feel the strength of the team is the DL. We'll need to get pressure using our DL more than ever. Losing Suggs also hurts our ability to disguise pressure and stop the run because Suggs was able to be another DL like Upshaw. It really helped our ability to set the edge and go from a 3 to a 5 man front, or alternating with Suggs having his hand in the dirt & Upshaw having his hand in the dirt. In that way, we played a lot of 4-3 but it's not the conventional 4-3 most consider. 

 

Back to the discussion on FA pass rushers or other acquisitions to improve our pass rushers, someone who could be worth our time is Bruce Irvin, but I'm not sure I buy those reports about him wanting out of Seattle early in the offseason. He is a guy who would make quite a bit of sense to bolster our pass rush, although I find his acquisition a very unlikely one for this team. I can't really think of many trade options, honestly, since anything we would pay would be a high price at this point. We're at a significant disadvantage. I think we're more likely to sign Steven Means off the street than a big name FA or a trade. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Nick Perry from Green Bay? He has experience from college in a 4-3 and currently plays in a 3-4. That could work.

[balfan23]

Yeah, I don't even know why we'd discuss a trade as a possibility. When is the last in-season trade you recall happening that involved players of any note? I can't think of any. 

[Clmraven]

Yeah, I don't even know why we'd discuss a trade as a possibility. When is the last in-season trade you recall happening that involved players of any note? I can't think of any.

Eugene Monroe is the first that comes to mind.

I'd look into trading for Tamba Hali, he's older and the chiefs have a first rounder in dee ford waiting for a chance.

Edited September 14, 2015 by Clmraven

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Yeah, I don't even know why we'd discuss a trade as a possibility. When is the last in-season trade you recall happening that involved players of any note? I can't think of any. 

We traded for Eugene Monroe in the middle of the season

[balfan23]

Eugene Monroe is the first that comes to mind.

 

We traded for Eugene Monroe in the middle of the season

Good job!  I completely forgot about that. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Patriots traded for Akeem Ayers as well. He played well for them

[GrimCoconut]

Nick Perry from Green Bay? He has experience from college in a 4-3 and currently plays in a 3-4. That could work.

You think they would trade him? I don't know. I just don't feel it but maybe. I do think we would go for a guy in the final year of his deal since they would be cheaper. That seems to be our MO. 

[GrimCoconut]

Eugene Monroe is the first that comes to mind.

I'd look into trading for Tamba Hali, he's older and the chiefs have a first rounder in dee ford waiting for a chance.

Hali is certainly an option and makes sense as a one-year rental due to his age (31) & his contract (free agent in 2016). It gives us flexibility because you don't want to trade for a guy who has multiple years on his deal since those guys are either expensive in draft picks or expensive in cap or both, lol. Besides, Suggs could return next year then we'd have a lot of money invested into the pass rusher. I don't think Hali's contract is a lot for us to swallow, but I do think the Chiefs already paid him a lot so I'm not sure they would want to part ways. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Hali is certainly an option and makes sense as a one-year rental due to his age (31) & his contract (free agent in 2016). It gives us flexibility because you don't want to trade for a guy who has multiple years on his deal since those guys are either expensive in draft picks or expensive in cap or both, lol. Besides, Suggs could return next year then we'd have a lot of money invested into the pass rusher. I don't think Hali's contract is a lot for us to swallow, but I do think the Chiefs already paid him a lot so I'm not sure they would want to part ways.

Push comes to shove they'll probably take a mid rounder. If that's the case then so be it.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

You think they would trade him? I don't know. I just don't feel it but maybe. I do think we would go for a guy in the final year of his deal since they would be cheaper. That seems to be our MO.

Yes. They have Peppers and Clay already. Perry in there eyes has been a huge dissapointment. I think he could be useful here.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

The Patriots traded for Akeem Ayers in the middle of last season as well. He ended up helping them. Another example.

[ravensfan160]

The Patriots traded for Akeem Ayers in the middle of last season as well. He ended up helping them. Another example.

Yeah but that was mid season once teams knew where they were. The Titans knew they weren't going anywhere and I believe Ayers was a pending free agent so it made sense to trade him and get something for the future. It's week 1. No team is going to trade away anyone of value this early.

Edited September 14, 2015 by ravensfan160

[Dfence4champs2052]

I'd rather go with our in house pass rushers and young guys and focus on a deal or something magical for a quality WR somehow. Tall order, but we are in real trouble there.

[Dfence4champs2052]

Yeah but that was mid season once teams knew where they were. The Titans knew they weren't going anywhere and I believe Ayers was a pending free agent so it made sense to trade him and get something for the future. It's week 1. No team is going to trade away anyone of value this early.

 

Not for cheap anyway!

[Ravensfan23]

I'd rather go with our in house pass rushers and young guys and focus on a deal or something magical for a quality WR somehow. Tall order, but we are in real trouble there.

The WRs played well but it doesn't matter who's open if your QB doesn't have time. Period.

I think the Ravens will rely on in house guys. Even if you bring someone in they won't be able to do as much as Suggs, so you'll be relying on your young guys anyway. Upshaw has an even greater opportunity now in a contract year.

[balfan23]

Yeah but that was mid season once teams knew where they were. The Titans knew they weren't going anywhere and I believe Ayers was a pending free agent so it made sense to trade him and get something for the future. It's week 1. No team is going to trade away anyone of value this early.

I think the same could be said for the Jags and Monroe. I think that was around game 4 as well. Not that the Jags wouldn't have known they weren't going anywhere earlier ...  

[Dfence4champs2052]

The WRs played well but it doesn't matter who's open if your QB doesn't have time. Period.

I think the Ravens will rely on in house guys. Even if you bring someone in they won't be able to do as much as Suggs, so you'll be relying on your young guys anyway. Upshaw has an even greater opportunity now in a contract year.

 

That's true but you need decent WRs that can get separation or at least recognize your QB is under siege and break off routes, etc. Other than Smith Sr. We don't really have that......

[Ravensfan23]

That's true but you need decent WRs that can get separation or at least recognize your QB is under siege and break off routes, etc. Other than Smith Sr. We don't really have that......

You can't break off routes if you never even get a chance to get into your routes. You are asking the WRs to do something that's next to impossible. Flacco was basically throwing the ball while still in his drop on 80% of his passes. Ugly oline equals ugly offense i don't care if the WRs break their routes off 2 years past the LOS. Trestman should have called more screens to slow that rush down a bit. It didn't show up in the stat sheets but both Brown and Aiken did some really solid work outside against maybe the best CB duo in the NFL.

Harbs has often times said he likes Upshaw's pass rush ability. I think they'll just ride with Upshaw and Doom with ZDS subbing in. Im sure they'll add Beyer to the roster and maybe make a minor move but nothing major. I think it'll be next man up for right now. The lack of Suggs will probably force Pees to blitz more.

[Dfence4champs2052]

You can't break off routes if you never even get a chance to get into your routes. You are asking the WRs to do something that's next to impossible. Flacco was basically throwing the ball while still in his drop on 80% of his passes. Ugly oline equals ugly offense i don't care if the WRs break their routes off 2 years past the LOS. Trestman should have called more screens to slow that rush down a bit. It didn't show up in the stat sheets but both Brown and Aiken did some really solid work outside against maybe the best CB duo in the NFL.

Harbs has often times said he likes Upshaw's pass rush ability. I think they'll just ride with Upshaw and Doom with ZDS subbing in. Im sure they'll add Beyer to the roster and maybe make a minor move but nothing major. I think it'll be next man up for right now. The lack of Suggs will probably force Pees to blitz more.

you are ignoring the point.....proceed

[Ravensfan23]

you are ignoring the point.....proceed

No im not ignoring the point but your point doesn't make much sense to me. I get it, it's frustrating seeing the Ravens lose like that and not seeing the WRs have many catches makes it worse. However you are saying they need to break off out routes or create separation. The issue wasn't Flacco holding onto the ball because there was noone open, which would speak to lack of separation, the issue was Flacco rarely being able to set his feet. All the Broncos had to do was just sit on routes because they knew Flacco wouldn't have enough time in the pocket to allow routes to develop.

You want guys to break off routes when Flacco is in trouble. Do you realize that WRs can't break routes off unless they are on the same page with the QB? If Flacco isn't calling a hot route or audible then the WRs have to run the play called. It's not the WRs job to turn a 12 yard dig route into a 2 yard crossing route or a quick slant to help avoid a sack. It's on the OC and QB to direct the WRs. All of Steve Smith's short passes were designed short routes, he didn't "break off" any routes. On the 2nd 3rd down of the game both Brown and Aiken "created separation" but Flacco couldn't set his feet and threw an inaccurate pass on a slant to Aiken. What would you have those guys do differently? On the pick 6, Aiken beat his man to the inside and could have had a huge catch and run if he broke a tackle. But Flacco had to get rid of the ball quick and just trusted Sr more. What should Aiken have done differently? Those are just 2 example of how if Flacco actually had time to throw a respectable pass you would probably be signing the praises of both Brown and Aiken.

I think anyone on this board would probably take the Broncos WRs over the current Ravens WR corp. But guess what happened when Peyton didn't have time to throw? They did get open, the same as the Ravens WR. So to your point again i say no the Ravens shouldn't trade for a WR after one game where the oline sucked. But i do agree to proceed because this isn't the proper place to discuss this topic.

[Maryland]

Eugene Monroe is the first that comes to mind.

I'd look into trading for Tamba Hali, he's older and the chiefs have a first rounder in dee ford waiting for a chance.

No team, especially a contending one, would ever give up a good pass-rusher, especially week 1 of the season. Trades can happen closer to the deadline once bad teams know they're bad, but not in week 1. 

 

Also Dee Ford is shaping up to be a horrible draft bust. Not sure what KC was thinking with that pick. 

[redrum52]

What position does Darnell docket play?

3-4 end.

[redrum52]

With Suggs being up there in age, there is a higher possibility for a trade to happen now. This could be the last time we've seen Suggs play and I think Ozzie knows that too. This is the scenario where we might make a move for a younger guy.

[polynesian15]

You can't break off routes if you never even get a chance to get into your routes. You are asking the WRs to do something that's next to impossible. Flacco was basically throwing the ball while still in his drop on 80% of his passes. Ugly oline equals ugly offense i don't care if the WRs break their routes off 2 years past the LOS. Trestman should have called more screens to slow that rush down a bit. It didn't show up in the stat sheets but both Brown and Aiken did some really solid work outside against maybe the best CB duo in the NFL.

Harbs has often times said he likes Upshaw's pass rush ability. I think they'll just ride with Upshaw and Doom with ZDS subbing in. Im sure they'll add Beyer to the roster and maybe make a minor move but nothing major. I think it'll be next man up for right now. The lack of Suggs will probably force Pees to blitz more.

Hate to see Suggs go down, this forces our defense a bit out of their comfort zone. They might need to be more aggresive and creative, which could result in a less conservative defense. Might be for the better, might be for the worse - we'll have to wait and see.

It should be interesting to how things get shaked up.

Also, what would a 1 year rental with Freeney cost us?

Here's to a speedy recovery for Terrell, go Ravens!

[polynesian15]

With Suggs being up there in age, there is a higher possibility for a trade to happen now. This could be the last time we've seen Suggs play and I think Ozzie knows that too. This is the scenario where we might make a move for a younger guy.

Who do you see as a possible candidate if they were to go that route, and what would we possibly give up in that scenario?

Edited September 14, 2015 by polynesian15

[redrum52]

Who do you see as a possible candidate if they were to go that route, and what would we possibly give up in that scenario?

John Simon? I honestly have no idea, but cost would depend on the player. I was just trying to say, this is a case where I could see an actual move being made, even though I don't have one in mind. And I wouldn't see anything more than a draft pick. Maybe, package a pick and Arthur Brown.

[Purple_City39]

John Simon? I honestly have no idea, but cost would depend on the player. I was just trying to say, this is a case where I could see an actual move being made, even though I don't have one in mind. And I wouldn't see anything more than a draft pick. Maybe, package a pick and Arthur Brown.

SImon is out.  There's no way Ozzie trades for a player he already spent a draft pick on.

[Ravens2343]

SImon is out.  There's no way Ozzie trades for a player he already spent a draft pick on.

 

I agree Simon is a no go.  I doubt we make a trade, but a few names who could be available.  Maybe Willie Young or Lamarr Houston from the Bears? or if the Browns are ready to move on maybe Barkevious Mingo.  Mingo I doubt though because he was a high pick and it is in our division.  Willie Young is a guy to keep an eye on though