Oline Woes

[GrimCoconut]

Long off-season. I would really like them to play as a unit a bit more in pre-season next year. Seems like we get hammered in the first game too often. Having the first team work together a little more under live fire might be a good idea.

Chemistry might be it but it just sounds so much like an excuse to me. I am going to wait and see because I never judge anything this early anyway. Things change so quickly but I'm not buying the lack of chemistry thing yet but I'm open to its possibility. It certainly could explain our woes yesterday

[Sami84]

Khalil mack is a beast..wagner/hurst will be in for another whooping if they don't wake up.

[GrimCoconut]

Khalil mack is a beast..wagner/hurst will be in for another whooping if they don't wake up.

The Raiders don't have a DL that's anywhere close to being as good as Denver, but I do agree that they better get their lives together. Edited September 14, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[The Mom Gene]

The Raiders don't have a DL that's anywhere close to being as good as Denver, but I do agree that they better get their lives together.

 

Nope..  no comparison at all.

[BSHU_Miami]

I hope we talk to the 49ers about Anthony Davis next season. Swing a trade or something when he gets off his "retirement" Monroe is injury prone and hurst is no good. I have no clue what people see in him

[beanfigger]

I think last year we set a very high standard with our line. I highly doubt Forsett averages nearly 6yds/rush (almost a lock he doesn't) and Flacco goes down less than 20 times again (possible, but can't count on it).

However, they need to step up and play much better than they did. We can and have won many games in the past with weak play from almost every other unit, but we won't win much without a good O-line. Gotta play better.

[DonLucas]

You guys realize that Wagner did not played this entire year, right? That was his first game since he got injured at Houston, in december, and he had to play against arguably the best olb of the game right now. Not really easy,,and on the other side we had a undrafted backup LT vs a future hall of famer, we can expect that much from him. I mean, D. Ware ate top LTs for dinner at his peak. Please wait before turning the alarm on.

[757RavensFan]

What's disheartening is the fact that our O-Line has to practice against a pretty good D-Line everyday.

I'm really surprised our O-Line looked THAT bad yesterday.  

[Static]

What's disheartening is the fact that our O-Line has to practice against a pretty good D-Line everyday.

I'm really surprised our O-Line looked THAT bad yesterday.  

 

I remember reading Training Camp reports about our defense being in the backfield all the time.

[ravensdan]

The OL was atrocious. Most of them played like they forgot how to play football. It was the entire OL not just one guy, too. It's hard to hit the panic button atm but I certainly understand why some are.

As someone else already said, the OL could have chemistry issues since they haven't played together this year but that could also be bs. This is our same OL as last year sans Hurst but he played a lot last year, too, since was at LT while Monroe was out.

It could've just been the perfect storm. I wouldn't call our OL horrible yet after one game, but I'd lie if I said there wasn't doubt in my mind whether Castillo had much impact on our improved OL last year. This was a question of mine going into the year that isn't yet answered.

If the OL doesn't improve by week 4 I'd entertain moving some guys around. I'd rather have Urschel in there than an ineffective KO or Wagner. I can't see Urschel replacing Zuttah unless he's just horrible and everyone else is good. I am interested in seeing how well Jensen plays. I'd certainly put him at LT over Hurst next week if Monroe still can't play.

I was just going to ask you if you think we should play Jensen. Think he is an upgrade there? I think the chemistry issue is a bit of bs. One of the few lines in the league same group as last year. I think they just got beat by a better team and better coaching on this particular day.

[Willbacker]

Talk about overreaction. Denver might as well bench their OLine too. Denvers D is just terrible and their outside passrushers are just a bunch of no names. Crimeneys!!! We're not going to win every game!

[GrimCoconut]

I was just going to ask you if you think we should play Jensen. Think he is an upgrade there? I think the chemistry issue is a bit of bs. One of the few lines in the league same group as last year. I think they just got beat by a better team and better coaching on this particular day.

Yeah that's what I think as well. I think it's a bs excuse to say chemistry is a problem for an OL bringing back every player from last year and Edwin Hurst is a guy who started last year so the LT excuse is also weak. I think the Broncos just played us perfect defensively and perhaps that's due to some rust for a few starters but certainly not the entire OL. I can see a problem going against Kubiak and Phillips who know our scheme. That's certainly a possibility. I mostly see it as a good defensive team smacking us in the mouth.

[K-Dog]

Talk about overreaction. Denver might as well bench their OLine too. Denvers D is just terrible and their outside passrushers are just a bunch of no names. Crimeneys!!! We're not going to win every game!

People here are crazy.

Everyone! Everyone!

Listen to me....

ITS ONLY WEEK ONE !!!!!!

[Willbacker]

People here are crazy.

Everyone! Everyone!

Listen to me....

ITS ONLY WEEK ONE !!!!!!

Classic.

[52N19]

Hurst may be an upgrade to Monroe.

[rmcjacket23]

Hurst may be an upgrade to Monroe.

Not bad on what I saw yesterday or previously...

[Ozzsome]

I'm really not sure what you expect. There aren't too many backups in the league that aren't going to struggle at LT with a pair like Ware and Miller. If they can handle guys like that, then, we'll, they'll be starters making $10M per year, as opposed to $500K.

Monroe was out fast, but in his short time in there, he let his man off the edge for a sack and then got whacked, hurt and was out. Yes, he's better than Hurst, so indeed we want him back ASAP., but I'm not so sure he was poised to have a stellar outing either.

I expect any back up out there to have a hard time against a guy like Ware. But Hurst didn't struggle, he rarely touched him.

A banana would have been more useful as he may have slipped then.

Most of the time he acted like a free rusher because Hurst couldn't touch him if he were a running ice cream cone.

[Edgar]

Hurst may be an upgrade to Monroe.

monroe has consistently under performed.

[Inqui]

If the OL doesn't improve by week 4 I'd entertain moving some guys around. I'd rather have Urschel in there than an ineffective KO or Wagner. I can't see Urschel replacing Zuttah unless he's just horrible and everyone else is good. I am interested in seeing how well Jensen plays. I'd certainly put him at LT over Hurst next week if Monroe still can't play.

I can definitely get behind this. Time will tell, but if we're still struggling to punch open running lanes or give Joe time after week four I hope we're open to the odd reshuffle. Juan Castillo's head may even be on the chopping block if we're still battling anything like we were this week. Not gonna lie, I'm still a little disappointed we couldn't get Mike Munchak on board.

 

Long off-season. I would really like them to play as a unit a bit more in pre-season next year. Seems like we get hammered in the first game too often. Having the first team work together a little more under live fire might be a good idea.

I wouldn't go straight to the chemistry issue, but there may be something to it. It seems our receivers who don't get much time during preseason or miss it altogether tend to struggle a bit during the first few weeks of the season. But I think we'll be able to confirm or deny that theory reasonably quickly.

[polynesian15]

broncos where top run stopping defense last season and we all know how good ware and von are rushing the passer.

 

we also saw that hurst aint close to being as good as Monroe.

 

also they have 2 of the top cbs in talib and Harris so its easier to send blitzes knowing those guys can lockdown their man on an Island.

That's a pretty scary defense. What do we do differently, if we have to face them again in January?

Edited September 15, 2015 by polynesian15

[usmccharles]

That's a pretty scary defense. What do we do differently, if we have to face them again in January?

Like i said in the other thread, i think the only thing we can do is move Joe into shotgun the entire game to give him time to see plays develope.  i dont know of any other way to protect Joe from that rush

[K-Dog]

We will be better in January.

[TDubbs]

Like i said in the other thread, i think the only thing we can do is move Joe into shotgun the entire game to give him time to see plays develope.  i dont know of any other way to protect Joe from that rush

 

I agree. Also, that wont take away from the run game that much I beleive. Runs out of the gun are becoming more popular and more effective. We saw some runs from the Eagles out of the gun that really stretched the defense thin. If you get the run game going efficiently, your play action game can be just as strong. 

[FerrariFan87]

Chiefs and Rams say hello.

Yeah, that Rams D-line is fierce. Our only saving grace is that's the Ed Reed game AND it's at Home... for what it's worth.

[Guest]

Hurst is not adequate. He is terrible. We need a better option at LT if Monroe can't stay healthy. 

 

Wagner was almost as bad, the interior seemed ok though so that's a start.

 

Our Tackles got schooled.  Even Monroe before he left.

 

Hurst has shown vulnerability to being speed rushed and Miller bull rushed him too.  Worst game he's ever had. 

 

Hopefully, we learned something from it. Let's see.

[The Mom Gene]

Yeah, that Rams D-line is fierce. Our only saving grace is that's the Ed Reed game AND it's at Home... for what it's worth.

 

I think our secondary will be our saving grace this year.... if they can stay healthy.   

That being said?  The Rams ALWAYS play the Seahawks well... It's crazy, but they just do.

[The Mom Gene]

Talk about overreaction. Denver might as well bench their OLine too. Denvers D is just terrible and their outside passrushers are just a bunch of no names. Crimeneys!!! We're not going to win every game!

 

You know, it's funny, I went to the Bronco's website yesterday.  Their conversations were almost identical to ours... even with the win.  They were pissed.  It's amazing how sympatico these two teams are.  And the discussion about Manning's retirement???  It's all over the place.  If I had my choice right now, I think I'd take Flacco all day over Manning this year.

[757RavensFan]

Talk about overreaction. Denver might as well bench their OLine too. Denvers D is just terrible and their outside passrushers are just a bunch of no names. Crimeneys!!! We're not going to win every game!

 

 

People here are crazy.

Everyone! Everyone!

Listen to me....

ITS ONLY WEEK ONE !!!!!!

 

 

Honestly, I think people are more upset at the way that we loss and not overreacting b/c we loss. I'd be willing to bet 90% of the forum members had us losing to Denver.  But after watching the game and realizing that if the O-Line would have at least played just "OK" we could have won that game. 

Edited September 15, 2015 by 757RavensFan

[ravensdfan]

Everyone wanted us to bow down and praise Castillo for the O line last year - and I said, is it Castillo or Kubiak's own brand? Let's wait and see what happens when Kubiak is gone.

 

Right now we have some injuries to the O line - but I am worried that now we are seeing Castillo's imprint on the O line once again now that Kubiak is gone.

[The Mom Gene]

Honestly, I think people are more upset at the way that we loss and not overreacting b/c we loss. I'd be willing to bet 90% of the forum members had us losing to Denver.  But after watching the game and realizing that if the O-Line would have at least played just "OK" we could have won that game. 

 

Yup, just said the same thing in the other thread....  We were "supposed" to win that game.  And that we made it one in the end was great for me.  Like it or not, at least it wasn't a blow out like the past few season openers...  I'm pretty confident in that I think we'll end up having one of the better offenses in the league.  Who'da thunk that?