The good, bad and ugly vs Broncos

[cobrajet]

This loss was disappointing and losing Suggs was even more disappointing but our season is not over. We can overcome this. 

[flynismo]

Safeties and corners MUST respect speed. They don't with our current cast. Also helps the running game, cause guys play fuether from the line.

I would agree in theory, but their OLB ate us alive....their CB and safeties playing softer would have made no difference

[52liveforever]

My fears about this offense came true. We aren't ready yet. My notes:

 

the offensive line takes a lot of credit for this loss. It wasnt that joe didnt have enough time to throw, but more so nobody had time to get open because the oline was getting man handled

 

No doubt Joe made some dumb throws, but he didnt even have time to get past his first read so if that first read wasnt open he had to either make the pass anyway, throw it away, or get sacked.

 

Aiken was never open, he cant get separation to save his life. Please lets move on. Camp got open a lot however joe cant get past  his first or second read so he never got a look. Waller didnt even get a chance, him and brown shouldve been in on that last set of downs, sorry SSS was getting owned by talib take him out and try talib with a completely different type of guy.

 

I think williams and gilmore looked really good. They were both blocking better than the oline and making some good plays. We have to remember how young they are. Maxx has some work to do on his routes and getting separation, but i was impressed. That last interception you would like to see crocket make that catch, but that was double coverage and he isnt very experienced and fighting double coverage is something he hasnt experienced. He'll do better next time.

 

Forsett looked like he may have truly been a product of Kubiaks system. Allen looked really good. 

 

Defense, no complaints although webb may need to get a little competition. 

[balfan23]

Upshaw was known for his pass rushing prowess at Alabama but it hasn't translated to the NFL.  A part of that has had to do with opportunity.  He is one of the key guys that needs to step up in the wake of Suggs loss.  

I suppose we'll see. Physically, he just looks to massive and lumbering to be an edge rusher. If he can pull it off, given his ability to stuff the run, it would be amazing. 

[redrum52]

I would agree in theory, but their OLB ate us alive....their CB and safeties playing softer would have made no difference

This is true. Their front is beast, but I expected more from our guys up front. Also, they feel less threatened in PA situations. Still plenty of season left.

Wonder what we see from Zadarius. Would also hate to see Suggs go out with an injury, but it honestly makes the most sense.

[RavensFanMania]

This loss was disappointing and losing Suggs was even more disappointing but our season is not over. We can overcome this.

Completely agree. This season isn't over by a long shot. Our defense played an extremely good game. Completely shutting down manning and company. That is an explosive offense and Manning is very good at this point in the season.

Losing Suggs is huge but we are very deep defensively. No we won't be able to replace Suggs but we will have a defensive rotation to help apply some pressure and Jernigan will be back on the line as well.

Go Ravens!

[balfan23]

I thought the secondary played really well. While Webb was likely the weakest in the group, did he really play as badly as some seem to be suggesting? I wasn't doing cartwheels over his play, but it isn't like i was sitting there saying OMG, this guy is a horrid liability. 

[cookiedood]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if the defender never turns around to play the ball, and he throws his arms up in the face of the receiver, isn't that considered face guarding and a penalty in the NFL ? It is the non calls that favor the home teams that make winning on the road so difficult. In a perefect world I would love to see Professional football officials call the game fairly, no matter where the game is being played. Had that call been made it would have been Baltimore ball on the one yard line, and first and goal. who knows what the outcome would have been, but at least it would have been called fairly.

[ratedr]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if the defender never turns around to play the ball, and he throws his arms up in the face of the receiver, isn't that considered face guarding and a penalty in the NFL ? It is the non calls that favor the home teams that make winning on the road so difficult. In a perefect world I would love to see Professional football officials call the game fairly, no matter where the game is being played. Had that call been made it would have been Baltimore ball on the one yard line, and first and goal. who knows what the outcome would have been, but at least it would have been called fairly.

I agree that that last play should've been a penalty. Even known Ravens haters like Simmons agreed. 

[Static]

I thought the secondary played really well. While Webb was likely the weakest in the group, did he really play as badly as some seem to be suggesting? I wasn't doing cartwheels over his play, but it isn't like i was sitting there saying OMG, this guy is a horrid liability. 

 

 

My biggest problem with Webb is that if you going to play off coverage while Jimmy presses you could atleast try and bait INTs but he doesn't. 

[RavensFanMania]

I thought the secondary played really well. While Webb was likely the weakest in the group, did he really play as badly as some seem to be suggesting? I wasn't doing cartwheels over his play, but it isn't like i was sitting there saying OMG, this guy is a horrid liability.

Agree out secondary is vastly improved. Jimmy is one of the best and will hill and Lewis are an excellent safety tandem. Arrington is very good in the slot and Webb is no slouch. If he's the worst corner we have than we are doing really well.

[52520Andrew]

The good: Played well but just came up short against a good team

The bad: Besides coming up short, Monroe got a concussion

The Ugly: Suggs gone...

[K-Dog]

you all know this is only week one right?

 

things are not THAT BAD.  We have suffered WAY WAY worse.

[52liveforever]

I would agree in theory, but their OLB ate us alive....their CB and safeties playing softer would have made no difference

 

Agreed, nobody had time to get open. Our offense depends on solid Oline play and everyone knows this. Joe Flacco isnt aaron rodgers. SSS isnt calvin johnson, Forsett isnt Adrien peterson, Gilmore isnt Gronk. We have good players, but lets be honest none of them can carry our offense without solid o-line play. I think our O-line will rebound. Going up against ware and miller isnt the ideal season opener for them and i think they will come back fired up.

[GrimCoconut]

Care to explain how Gillmore can prevent the defender's hands from coming in between his while concentrating to catch the ball? That's done in a fraction of a second and there's nothing Gillmore can do to prevent the defender from getting his hands in there.

Sure. 

 

Gillmore turned around too early, giving up his position to the DB, which combined with what looked like him slowing down allowed the DB to get his hands in there to disrupt the pass. He also didn't seem to run the best route there, but that's nit-picking. Since Gillmore turned around early when he did, and put his arms out there when he did, he allowed the DB to get position and disrupt the pass. This actually happened with Maxx Williams as well on that one nice PD the LB (I think?) had earlier in the game. Williams extended his arm too early to catch the pass and the LB just anticipated the pass since he extended his arm so early. 

 

Don't mistake my criticism for condemnation. I think Gillmore played well and he didn't get enough chances and I think he should've gotten more. He was far from our worst player on offense. 

[Raving_Heathen]

Come on. Lets all be honest. Everyone here had this game down as a loss anyway. And we did pretty well almost pulling it out. There were some mistakes, and some weaknesses were exposed, but overall the defense did very well and the offense did okay considering who they were playing. Fortunately there are no more Peyton Mannings on our schedule this season.

 

I had this game as a loss, but that's only because I expected the Peyton of 2 years ago, not the continuation of what we saw against the Colts in the playoffs last year. How much of that was due to our D and how much is due to his wear-and-tear? I don't know, but he seemed to have serious problems getting any zip on his passes, and that one pass on the bootleg to DT was laughable. So although I don't fault anyone for looking on the bright side of things, I look at this game as a lost opportunity of a big W against a very vulnerable team (at least as far as their offense).

 

Having said that, their defense is obviously legit in name recognition alone, nevermind their actual play. Combine that with Wade Phillips and a HC who knows the Ravens offensive personnel better than our current OC at this point, and I'm not too worried about our offensive problems today, in the first game of the season, especially with our starting LT and supposed #1 WR out. Despite the Suggs injury, I'm still very high about this team this year, but this loss hurts just because I felt it was ours for the taking.

[flynismo]

Care to explain how Gillmore can prevent the defender's hands from coming in between his while concentrating to catch the ball? That's done in a fraction of a second and there's nothing Gillmore can do to prevent the defender from getting his hands in there.

I honestly think he just turned for the ball a step too late, at least by judging from circumstantial evidence --- Flacco had plenty of time on the throw, released it well before Crockett turned, the safety was playing over top in the deep end of the end zone....all leads me to believe that it was supposed to be a jump ball on the goal line, not two yards into the end zone. At any rate, with his size, if he gets two hands on the ball, he can't get overpowered... not a fair comparison at all, but guys like Jimmy Graham make that catch look routine

[The Mom Gene]

I honestly think he just turned for the ball a step too late, at least by judging from circumstantial evidence --- Flacco had plenty of time on the throw, released it well before Crockett turned, the safety was playing over top in the deep end of the end zone....all leads me to believe that it was supposed to be a jump ball on the goal line, not two yards into the end zone. At any rate, with his size, if he gets two hands on the ball, he can't get overpowered... not a fair comparison at all, but guys like Jimmy Graham make that catch look routine

I agree, and attribute it to more of a lack of experience.  He makes that catch if it's Week 4 with a few NFL catches under his belt.

[The Mom Gene]

Agree out secondary is vastly improved. Jimmy is one of the best and will hill and Lewis are an excellent safety tandem. Arrington is very good in the slot and Webb is no slouch. If he's the worst corner we have than we are doing really well.

Absolutely agree with that.

[52liveforever]

Sure. 

 

Gillmore turned around too early, giving up his position to the DB, which combined with what looked like him slowing down allowed the DB to get his hands in there to disrupt the pass. He also didn't seem to run the best route there, but that's nit-picking. Since Gillmore turned around early when he did, and put his arms out there when he did, he allowed the DB to get position and disrupt the pass. This actually happened with Maxx Williams as well on that one nice PD the LB (I think?) had earlier in the game. Williams extended his arm too early to catch the pass and the LB just anticipated the pass since he extended his arm so early. 

 

Don't mistake my criticism for condemnation. I think Gillmore played well and he didn't get enough chances and I think he should've gotten more. He was far from our worst player on offense. 

 

He was also in double coverage. I'd like him to make that catch since he had his hands on it and he had a chance so youd like to see that play made. I liked our tight end play honestly. It wasnt Gronk or anything like that, but for guys with very limited experience i was pleased. That double coverage on Gilmore, i think he makes that catch next time, Lesson learned.

[flynismo]

I agree, and attribute it to more of a lack of experience. He makes that catch if it's Week 4 with a few NFL catches under his belt.

I think he has shown a lot in his short career, as incredulous as I thought it was to pick him so early last year, I believe he is coming along nicely. No doubt he will make up for it at some point

[izvoodoo]

He was also in double coverage. I'd like him to make that catch since he had his hands on it and he had a chance so youd like to see that play made. I liked our tight end play honestly. It wasnt Gronk or anything like that, but for guys with very limited experience i was pleased. That double coverage on Gilmore, i think he makes that catch next time, Lesson learned.

Marlon has Iso in that situation.  Joe just got beat up that game.

[flynismo]

Marlon has Iso in that situation. Joe just got beat up that game.

I was deathly afraid it was going to be Flacco getting carted off the field...instead, well, you know....

[I AM LEGEND]

Uggghhhh.

That is all.

[flynismo]

Uggghhhh.

That is all.

Agreed

[allblackraven]

I suppose we'll see. Physically, he just looks to massive and lumbering to be an edge rusher. If he can pull it off, given his ability to stuff the run, it would be amazing. 

Pretty nice second contract would not be out of question in that case.

[GrimCoconut]

He was also in double coverage. I'd like him to make that catch since he had his hands on it and he had a chance so youd like to see that play made. I liked our tight end play honestly. It wasnt Gronk or anything like that, but for guys with very limited experience i was pleased. That double coverage on Gilmore, i think he makes that catch next time, Lesson learned.

It's hard for me to say he was double-covered because looking back on it, it doesn't look like it to me. It looks more like Stewart came over after recognizing the play and got in on the action and benefited from the disrupted pass defended. It was a heck of a play by both defenders and a mistake by Gillmore. I'm sure he'll learn from it as well. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

The good: The defense. And the TEs. Gillmore had that bad play before hand but we did get Maxx Involved. Something he'll do more of down the line. Buck Allen seems to be the real deal. Weird since he was bad in the preseason. Flacco had that one dumb play but overall he was limited due to the lack of an oline.

 

The bad. Ladarius Webb and the Oline.. Yeah. Not much. We played an elite front 7. Maybe the second best defense in the AFC. We'll adjust eventually but overall improvement is very necessary. We need another Outside Corner.

 

The Horrible: Suggs... We need to find a way to get more pass rush. 

[PuRock]

It's hard for me to say he was double-covered because looking back on it, it doesn't look like it to me. It looks more like Stewart came over after recognizing the play and got in on the action and benefited from the disrupted pass defended. It was a heck of a play by both defenders and a mistake by Gillmore. I'm sure he'll learn from it as well. 

 

Yeah, don't know why people keep saying it was double coverage.  Stewart was able to make his way over on the floater and react on the deflection.  Wasn't really applying any sort of pressure on the catch.  

Edited September 14, 2015 by PuRock

[52liveforever]

Yeah, don't know why people keep saying it was double coverage.  Stewart was able to make his way over on the floater and react on the deflection.  Wasn't really applying any sort of pressure on the catch.

It may not have been double man, but the corner had man and Stewart had the zone and Stewart was there before the ball got there. In my opinion that's double coverage.