The good, bad and ugly vs Broncos

[jazz1988]

Our offense is in much worse shape an 2013. We are not going to be a good team this year.

 

And how do you know that before the season evening ends? Alot can happen from week 1 to week 17.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Sorry, I was trying to say at the very most it was face guarding, but as you pointed out this ain't high school, so faceguarding wouldn't be called there. So to clarify (or attempt to) the contact was incidental (IMHO) and not to the level that a flag should be thrown for PI.

 

Incidental contact only applies to bumping a WR while looking back for the ball. Or getting your feet accidentally tangled. If you don't look back for the ball, then incidental contact doesn't apply. So, yes it was and should have been called a PI.

[redrum52]

Flacco threw not one, but TWO game winning TDs on the final drive. Smitty and Crockett need to make those catches -- not understanding where the Flacco criticism is coming from. He played very well considering Ware and Miller got to him before the ball did all game long.

Not happy with the OL...if you aren't even going to try to protect the QB, at least open up holes for the RBs. They did neither the entire game.

Other than that, and Suggs, and losing....lol....there were some very encouraging signs as well

He threw 1 td. That was to Talib. The Smith drop was bad, but you can't blame Gilmore for not taking the ball away from two defenders. O line was abused. And the two positions, most feared injury, are hit early.

[PuRock]

That's exactly it. Crockett had little chance of snagging his in double coverage, but Smity dropped an easy TD. Pisses me off.

 

Wasn't really double coverage.  Darian showed up after the ricochet.  TE's around the league make that catch.  Defender was in good position but it wasn't out of the realm for Crockett to secure it.  He had two hands on the ball.  That too me equals a good opportunity.  

[balfan23]

He threw 1 td. That was to Talib. The Smith drop was bad, but you can't blame Gilmore for not taking the ball away from two defenders. O line was abused. And the two positions, most feared injury, are hit early.

Other than Suggs, what are you referring to? 

[The Raven]

Wasn't really double coverage.  Darian showed up after the ricochet.  TE's around the league make that catch.  Defender was in good position but it wasn't out of the realm for Crockett to secure it.  He had two hands on the ball.  That too me equals a good opportunity.  

 

Disagree entirely. DB had all the leverage. Watch it again. Little higher or little further, he gets it, but the DB got a hand on it before he had a chance to secure it

Edited September 14, 2015 by The Raven

[edreed2o]

Marc tressman the QB whisperer. I'll take cam back.

I dont normally overreact but cmon trestmans offense has been nothing but i-formation runs and dump offs no further than the line of scrimmage. I was hopeing the preseason was just hm playing conservative but this broncos game was literally no different at all. None. No creativity in his play calling at all. Alot of people complained that in chicago, he would never run passing routes to open up other receivers. Every reciever ran a seperate route. So far, I see a camv2.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm a big fan of Gillmore and he should've caught the ball. He had the ball in his hands but he didn't fight hard enough to keep it. That's all. If you blame Flacco for Gillmore not maintaining possession of that football you're crazy.

[Cillmatic]

At least now we can watch the awful Giants vs Cowboys game. This game was so depressing.

[ratedr]

Gillmore I can understand but SSS was inexcusable. But what can we expect from an offense where KAMAR AIKEN is the #2 receiver?

 

When is Perriman coming back? Does anyone know? Because without him there is zero speed to stretch the field.

[redrum52]

Other than Suggs, what are you referring to?

Wr, but it has been that way. Perriman is the speed on offense. He was meant to stretch the field. How many deep passes were attempted this game?

[B-Raven]

Flacco threw not one, but TWO game winning TDs on the final drive. Smitty and Crockett need to make those catches -- not understanding where the Flacco criticism is coming from. He played very well considering Ware and Miller got to him before the ball did all game long.

I am not on the "blame everything on Flacco" side, but this wasn't a good game from Joe.

So yes, part of the loss was on Joe.

[usmccharles]

The coaches must don't have alot of faith in him right now which is why he didn't get a chance or Trestman overall just thought Aiken, Brown, and Campanoro were better.Waller is the fifth receiver on the team not many fifth receivers get playing time

Yea I know what you mean, I just think it was obvious we lacked speed. Just send him on some go routes, keep the defense honest. There was no life in the offense.

[Static]

Wr, but it has been that way. Perriman is the speed on offense. He was meant to stretch the field. How many deep passes were attempted this game?

 

Perriman won't help. The O-line didnt give time for ANY route to develop. Not a slant not a streak nothing.

[redrum52]

I'm a big fan of Gillmore and he should've caught the ball. He had the ball in his hands but he didn't fight hard enough to keep it. That's all. If you blame Flacco for Gillmore not maintaining possession of that football you're crazy.

The defender had perfect position to break the ball up and Stewart was there right away. That's not an easy catch for ANYONE.

[GrimCoconut]

Disagree entirely. DB had all the leverage. Watch it again. Little higher or little further, he gets it, but the DB got a hand on it before he had a chance to secure it

It was a tough catch to make since Gillmore allowed the DB to put his arm in between his in the first place. That's why the DB managed to force the ball from Gillmore's hands. Gillmore shouldn't have let him get his arm in between his arms in the first place. I'm a big fan of Gillmore, but that's something he needs to learn from in the future. He has to maintain his size advantage in that situation.

[RaRaRavens]

One thing I noticed is we played better when Joe was in the shotgun than under center. I'm surprised we just didn't continue that when we needed to score. Every time Joe was under center the defense either pressured the Hell out of him or the run was stuffed. 

Regards to that and our new O-coach, that's the thing that worries me with Trestman. Watching him last year, he did not adjust his game plan during the game like Kubiak does. It seems he has his schemes worked out, but when they don't work, he does not make observations and changes to his original plan. Another O-coach who did not change his game plan was Cam Cameron. Just saying.

[cobrajet]

This loss was disappointing and losing Suggs was even more disappointing but our season is not over. We can overcome this. 

[Tank 92]

Nope. Faceguarding as in blocking the vision of a reciever is not a foul in the NFL.

 

 

I stand corrected. Face guarding in itself, is not PI. But the defender never turned to look for the ball, threw his arms up in his face. When the defender doesn't turn around to look for the ball and jumps at the receiver with his arms up in his face it's always PI.

[cobrajet]

This loss was disappointing and losing Suggs was even more disappointing but our season is not over. We can overcome this. 

[GrimCoconut]

The defender had perfect position to break the ball up and Stewart was there right away. That's not an easy catch for ANYONE.

It's certainly not an easy catch but Gillmore is 6-6. He shouldn't have let the DB get in that position in the first place with his size advantage. That's part of what it means to be a receiver. You need to prevent the CB or S from getting leverage on you and you do that by maintaining your position and preventing them from entering yours, as well as other methods to gain separation. In this situation, the catch was very tough but Gillmore shouldn't have even allowed the catch to be as contested as it was. 

[redrum52]

Perriman won't help. The O-line didnt give time for ANY route to develop. Not a slant not a streak nothing.

Safeties and corners MUST respect speed. They don't with our current cast. Also helps the running game, cause guys play fuether from the line.

[K-Dog]

Better game than I expected to be truthful. I am more upset about Suggs than anything.

I called this one a loss from the get-go.

There is no shame in loosing to a really good team.

[edreed2o]

One thing I noticed is we played better when Joe was in the shotgun than under center. I'm surprised we just didn't continue that when we needed to score. Every time Joe was under center the defense either pressured the Hell out of him or the run was stuffed.

I thought I was the only one who noticed that too. Ask trestman why he didnt. Its common sense. When the pressure is getting to the QB, run more shotgun. We can still run from it if need be. The playcallng was just very cam cameron and watered-down, non creative, conservative, lackluster. Pick whichever you like.

[PuRock]

Disagree entirely. DB had all the leverage. Watch it again. Little higher or little further, he gets it, but the DB got a hand on it before he had a chance to secure it

 

Yep just rewatched it.  Agreed DB was in good position  and Joe could have made a better throw, but once again, Crockett had two hands on the ball.  Tough catch no doubt, but still catchable.  

[Static]

The throw and catch don't matter. It was PI. He was not playing the ball he was just disrupting Gilmore. But even that doesn't matter because the offense threw the game long before that.

[PoeDinkum]

I stand corrected. Face guarding in itself, is not PI. But the defender never turned to look for the ball, threw his arms up in his face. When the defender doesn't turn around to look for the ball and jumps at the receiver with his arms up in his face it's always PI.

I don't know-remember when the Lions played Dallas last year? That got wonky re: contact and hands up, etc. They felt jobed to from the league's explanation.

Of course as a fan of ours I want the call today, but if that is called the other way on one of our defenders I am more livid.

Refs didn't blow this game for us, our offense did in the first three quarters.

[B-Raven]

Better game than I expected to be truthful. I am more upset about Suggs than anything.

I called this one a loss from the get-go.

There is no shame in loosing to a really good team.

Better game than I expected to be truthful. I am more upset about Suggs than anything.

I called this one a loss from the get-go.

There is no shame in loosing to a really good team.

I really would agree with you, but I don't think The Broncos are a really good team ...

[The Mom Gene]

7 sacks...  WOW...  Art Brown, Elvis Doom, ZaDarius Smith, Carl Davis and Suggs all had one... Brennen Beyer had 2..... 

[cushrinada1986]

Baltimore Receiving

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