The good, bad and ugly vs Broncos

[3-4ravdef509]

He is right about Joe making that pass a dozen times during the season...

If you're implying he throws a dozen interceptions a year this way that's wrong. in fact most of Joes interceptions are far more boneheaded than what many think last nights first int was. Both ints in the Patriots game last January for example I put on Joe. First for staring down a receiver and second for being overly aggressive.

Last nights int was a rushed decision coupled with bad luck

[flynismo]

If you're implying he throws a dozen interceptions a year this way that's wrong. in fact most of Joes interceptions are far more boneheaded than what many think last nights first int was. Both ints in the Patriots game last January for example I put on Joe. First for staring down a receiver and second for being overly aggressive.

Last nights int was a rushed decision coupled with bad luck

ha, yep. 90% of Flacco's picks are either "wth was he thinking" or his receiver doing something lazy or idiotic. At least his picks are entertaining

[3-4ravdef509]

ha, yep. 90% of Flacco's picks are either "wth was he thinking" or his receiver doing something lazy or idiotic. At least his picks are entertaining

I've always thought he might have a night color confusion between purple and orange, considering how many dumb ints he's throws to bengals defenders. Lol

[redrum52]

If you're implying he throws a dozen interceptions a year this way that's wrong. in fact most of Joes interceptions are far more boneheaded than what many think last nights first int was. Both ints in the Patriots game last January for example I put on Joe. First for staring down a receiver and second for being overly aggressive.

Last nights int was a rushed decision coupled with bad luck

That to me was a dumb decision.

[DomMcRaven]

I don't really blame people for not understanding the zone concepts and being able to read the coverage in live action, but it annoys me how people bash it without truly understanding

You know who else is "without truly understanding?" Did you or anyone else catch the commentators say we didn't have a great pass rush last year? LOL!!

[ravensdfan]

You continue to bring up last year when we had guys off the street playing CB. It's hard to call your defense when you don't have guys who are comfortable or talented enough to play your defense. Like i told you before the game was even played. When Pees has CBs hes comfortable with he'll be a lot more agressive and successful because those guys are talented enough to play man without fear of being beat. If the DBs didn't make tackles on those shorts passes in this game most people would probably be calling for Pees head again.

They could not roll Flacco out of the pocket. Everytime they tried the De/OLB/S ran right at Flacco. You are not gonna expose your franchise QB to possibly big hits just for the sake of trying something else. They were trying to run it all game. Also you don't run bootleg to counter agressive defenses you use it to counter undisciplined defense. The Broncos were not undisciplined, they played the bootleg perfectly all game, so how can an OC call something that's not there? Him running the same 4 or 5 plays is just a joke. I can think of 7 different plays and formations he tried and failed because the oline was terrible. The running game was completely different in the 2nd half opposed to the first and he tried to open the pass game up more in the 2nd half with more 3WR set and using Camp over Aiken. Im not sure how you can say he didn't try anything different when the offense played 2 completely different styles from half to half. Execution was the only thing that stopped this from being viewed as a great gamee called by Trestman. But sometimes that's hard to see when the game is that sloppy.

Saying he was more aggressive than last year because of personnel is fine. Saying he called the same game he always called last year is not accurate though. We saw far fewer 3 and 4 man rushes and more blitz packages than we saw probably all of last year outside of the Pitt playoff game.

 

Outside of our last offensive series, Trestman ran the ball on 1st & 2nd down plays 66% of the time. That remained constant in the 2nd half until our last series. That is vanilla and predictable play calling.

 

It is one game and his first game so we'll see going forward but that is a trend that will kill us if it continues.

Edited September 15, 2015 by ravensdfan

[arnie_uk]

It was definitely a tactic to use the delayed blitz on an inexperienced line than he's ever used before. Like the people that blame him for everything unnecessarily your also not admitting there was a clesr shift in agressiveness unnecessarily.

He was more agressive than 90 percent of games last year. Are pressure was not coming from our olbs, it was blitzing corner backs or mlbs. It was people than don't normally hit the QB, and it worked a treat.

The handful of times we played soft and had a 3 man rush at the same time we got beat. The announcers even pointed it out on the replay every time it happened.

If we play soft we need pressure like on the interception. If we rush 3 there manning has more time and likely doesn't lob that pass enough that jimmy can break on the ball. But the pressure we had been getting had him rattle and it lob just enough jimmy could make a play on it.

Pressure rattles qbs, look at our own. That game plan minus the last drive was perfect.

[Sami84]

how does brady constantly when under pressure get the ball out vs ANYONE on a short route that ends up getting a first down or a 2nd and short?

[usmccharles]

how does brady constantly when under pressure get the ball out vs ANYONE on a short route that ends up getting a first down or a 2nd and short?

 

Um...being considered the best qb of all time might have something to do with it....

[arnie_uk]

how does brady constantly when under pressure get the ball out vs ANYONE on a short route that ends up getting a first down or a 2nd and short?

because they scheme for that and draft receivers that excel in getting open quickly.

[3-4ravdef509]

how does brady constantly when under pressure get the ball out vs ANYONE on a short route that ends up getting a first down or a 2nd and short?

Quicker release than Joe plus better play designs and often quicker receivers/backs

[The Mom Gene]

Quicker release than Joe plus better play designs and often quicker receivers/backs

He has more time...  He may be quicker, but even he couldn't have completed much the other night.

[The Mom Gene]

Even the analysts were talking yet again this morning about that game and the lack of time that Flacco had.  However, on the other side, On the plays where Manning had all the time in the world, he had no open receivers...  and then when he could find one, he couldn't hit him.  The "R" word was being discussed regarding Manning again.  It's time for him to go...  I agree. 

 

It was being described as probably the best defensive game in years....  by NUMEROUS analysts and Coaches.

[Militant X 1]

because they scheme for that and draft receivers that excel in getting open quickly.

 

Exactly! 

 

And the Ravens don't!  They sit the young guys and bring in older guys on the last legs of their careers and then we expect them to play like Dez Bryant, A.J. Green, Antoine Brown and Julio Jones for example.  Not happening!

[ravensdfan]

Exactly! 

 

And the Ravens don't!  They sit the young guys and bring in older guys on the last legs of their careers and then we expect them to play like Dez Bryant, A.J. Green, Antoine Brown and Julio Jones for example.  Not happening!

Yeah we do not have the receiving personnel to make that happen as quickly. We have some younger guys now so perhaps an area we will see improve.

[Militant X 1]

Yeah we do not have the receiving personnel to make that happen as quickly. We have some younger guys now so perhaps an area we will see improve.

 

Well ravensdfan, you know I am a huge advocate for the defensive side of the ball.  I always have been however, I want the offense to look good, shine, dominate opposing defenses and to just stop playing and looking like poo-poo.  I have absolutely no confidence in our offensive unit as a whole...none!  Sure, it's just 1 game but that 1 game was very forth-telling.  And to me, to me; sometimes, how you play at the beginning...can, might and oftentimes will determine your end!  I don't expect much different from them on Sunday vs the Raiders.  We'll see!  I hope they prove me wrong!

[3-4ravdef509]

He has more time... He may be quicker, but even he couldn't have completed much the other night.

Agreed. But in general screen passes and those quick jump off tend to work better for other quarterbacks then they do for Joe, because of a quick release and better receivers. It's not really a knock on Joe, just an observation.

[Sami84]

i'm just not a fan of marc trestman. A vastly overrated guy..

 

maybe its joe too. We have had good enough players to have had a very good offense over the years..outside of 2013 and perhaps this year.

 

something about joe tells me that maybe we  could have a julio jones or a jordey nelson and they wouldnt be doing what they are doing now.

 

look at Boldin..he had his worst years here stats wise.

 

maybe its Flacco..maybe he just doesn't bring the best out of receivers.

Edited September 15, 2015 by Sami84

[ratedr]

i'm just not a fan of marc trestman. A vastly overrated guy..

 

maybe its joe too. We have had good enough players to have had a very good offense over the years..outside of 2013 and perhaps this year.

 

something about joe tells me that maybe we  could have a julio jones or a jordey nelson and they wouldnt be doing what they are doing now.

 

look at Boldin..he had his worst years here stats wise.

 

maybe its Flacco..maybe he just doesn't bring the best out of receivers.

Kinda weird to say this just a year after we had a very good offense.

Edited September 15, 2015 by The Mom Gene
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[DenverRaven]

i'm just not a fan of marc trestman. A vastly overrated guy..

 

maybe its joe too. We have had good enough players to have had a very good offense over the years..outside of 2013 and perhaps this year.

 

something about joe tells me that maybe we  could have a julio jones or a jordey nelson and they wouldnt be doing what they are doing now.

 

look at Boldin..he had his worst years here stats wise.

 

maybe its Flacco..maybe he just doesn't bring the best out of receivers.

 

I get the frustration, but to say that Joe Flacco is one of the problems is just being petty.

 

Boldin didn't top 1k yards, true. But he did win a SB, and last I checked that meant something. It's a team sport.

I've lurked these boards for years, and I'm not sure I've ever seen you post something positive.

Edited September 15, 2015 by DenverRaven

[Sami84]

I get the frustration, but to say that Joe Flacco is one of the problems is just being petty.

 

Boldin didn't top 1k yards, true. But he did win a SB, and last I checked that meant something. It's a team sport.

I've lurked these boards for years, and I'm not sure I've ever seen you post something positive.

 

 

flacco is just inconsistant. Im not fan of skip bayless but he once called him ''the best, Worst quarter back he's ever seen''.

 

I'm beginning to see it that way too.

[3-4ravdef509]

flacco is just inconsistant. Im not fan of skip bayless but he once called him ''the best, Worst quarter back he's ever seen''.

I'm beginning to see it that way too.

I think Joe is just unconventional. He plays a certain way and has certain strengths and weaknesses. He also plays for a team that consistently invests more into the defense than the offense.

Add all that up and you get a unique player playing in a system where he's constantly asked to do more with less.

The year we won the Super Bowl was the year he had the best receiving core ever put around Joe. That's not a coincidence.

[berad]

You know what I loved most about the game? Pees ran quite a bit of zone, but the same people that crucified it before the game are now praising it after it worked well. Like many of us said before, it's a personnel issue, not a Pees issue

Who cares about zone coverage? It's viable as anything.

BUT when you couple it with lack of pressure on the QB or playing 10 yds off, it's easy for a QB to sit back and read. The best thing Pees did was the unique blitzes, DBs coming through B gaps, Will Hill running up to the line then bailing back. It's confusing for an offense and gave us a lot of shots at Peyton. Peyton seemed to relish when we only rushed 3 and sat in zone because he could pat the ball and make an easy completion.

[3-4ravdef509]

flacco is just inconsistant. Im not fan of skip bayless but he once called him ''the best, Worst quarter back he's ever seen''.

I'm beginning to see it that way too.

And then after investing a huge contract into Joe, we follow up by stripping him of the tools that made him successful. It never made sense to me. Why invest more draft picks and free agent signings into the side of the ball that doesn't have your highest paid player?

[Sami84]

I think Joe is just unconventional. He plays a certain way and has certain strengths and weaknesses. He also plays for a team that consistently invests more into the defense than the offense.

Add all that up and you get a unique player playing in a system where he's constantly asked to do more with less.

The year we won the Super Bowl was the year he had the best receiving core ever put around Joe. That's not a coincidence.

 

yeah but don't underestimate the catches boldin made. they were hardly great throws..

he was pretty lousy in the actual season too.

 

 

flacco needs quality. he isn't the type of QB who makes stars out of players who aren't that good. He doesn't read well and for the most part relied on PI calls via torrey to get us up the field.

[Moderator 3]

Knock off the attacks on each other.

[FerrariFan87]

Yeah, for some reason Flacco never gets a pass when his O-line is atrocious like it was on Sunday. The fact that we were one Steve Smith, Sr. drop from winning has my outlook a lot more positive. Plus, we get the Raiders next week

[ratedr]

yeah but don't underestimate the catches boldin made. they were hardly great throws..

he was pretty lousy in the actual season too.

 

 

flacco needs quality. he isn't the type of QB who makes stars out of players who aren't that good. He doesn't read well and for the most part relied on PI calls via torrey to get us up the field.

There's no such thing as a QB who thrives without stars, that's a media myth. Look at how Brady looked with Gronk last year, people were legitimately talking about benching him.

[jimmypowder]

Yeah, for some reason Flacco never gets a pass when his O-line is atrocious like it was on Sunday. The fact that we were one Steve Smith, Sr. drop from winning has my outlook a lot more positive. Plus, we get the Raiders next week

Heres a quote from PFF“I have never seen an offensive line annihilated in a must-pass situation as badly as the Ravens’ was at the end of the game,” wrote PFF’s Michael Renner. “I’m not sure there was a play where Joe Flacco could have taken more than three seconds to throw and not gotten sacked. … You’d be hard-pressed to see a quarterback pressured more than he was Sunday.”

That tells you all you need to know.

[Static]

If our offense can't stay on the field and our defense has to play for 35 minutes every week, you're going to see more and more injuries. 

Edited September 15, 2015 by Static