The good, bad and ugly vs Broncos

[757RavensFan]

Did Brooks play?

[JoeyFlex5]

He was also in double coverage. I'd like him to make that catch since he had his hands on it and he had a chance so youd like to see that play made. I liked our tight end play honestly. It wasnt Gronk or anything like that, but for guys with very limited experience i was pleased. That double coverage on Gilmore, i think he makes that catch next time, Lesson learned.

he was only in double coverage because the safety came in there and broke it up late, when the ball made contact with his hands it was 1 on 1 covrage and he was being faceguarded, it was 1 on 1 coverage when he ball was thrown, the hangtime allowed the safety to make a play

[52liveforever]

he was only in double coverage because the safety came in there and broke it up late, when the ball made contact with his hands it was 1 on 1 covrage and he was being faceguarded, it was 1 on 1 coverage when he ball was thrown, the hangtime allowed the safety to make a play

Yeah completely. thats why I don't lay that play on Joe b.c when the ball left his hand it was one on one, but in gilmores defense when it got there he was double covered.

[JoeyFlex5]

Yeah completely. thats why I don't lay that play on Joe b.c when the ball left his hand it was one on one, but in gilmores defense when it got there he was double covered.

i dont blame anyone on that play, a little more hangtime than you need in a tight spot like that, but it was still good delivery to float it over the DB, and gillmore got a firm grip on the ball, and darian stewart just showed up and made a great play. 

 

its unfortunate, he can make a play like that but he cant make a routine tackle to help us beat the patriots last year

[Edgar]

Yeah completely. thats why I don't lay that play on Joe b.c when the ball left his hand it was one on one, but in gilmores defense when it got there he was double covered.

Probably been beaten to death but Crockett was being held by the corner early in his route. Pretty much riding him as he runs it.

[52liveforever]

i dont blame anyone on that play, a little more hangtime than you need in a tight spot like that, but it was still good delivery to float it over the DB, and gillmore got a firm grip on the ball, and darian stewart just showed up and made a great play. 

 

its unfortunate, he can make a play like that but he cant make a routine tackle to help us beat the patriots last year

Haha right. Yeah, I don't hold anything against anyone on that. I think Gilmore can make that catch though, but he hasnt been in that position yet that we have seen so I think next time he does pull that catch in.

[kassaiscool]

Offense; When you have a receiving core filled with undrafted free agents and your number 1 target SSS is 36 years old you won't get consistent separation or better yet no separation like we had today. Tight ends don't get any separation. This is what's wrong with the Ravens offense. We had a bad game by the o-line, but i'll give them a pass because they probably won't see another pass rushing team like that again and they are much better than our receiving corps.

 

Defense; Great game..

[izvoodoo]

Probably been beaten to death but Crockett was being held by the corner early in his route. Pretty much riding him as he runs it.

They were calling everyone pretty loose.  Honestly that was probably our hardest game of the season.

 

But honestly with the suggs loss I'm just broken up.

[balfan23]

They were calling everyone pretty loose.  Honestly that was probably our hardest game of the season.

 

But honestly with the suggs loss I'm just broken up.

Absolutely and I like that approach by the officials. So, for me, I have to take the bad with the good and can't be screaming for flags when it suits my team. IMO that is the best crew in the NFL. There are crews out there that would have called Jimmy for PI because he made slight contact on the back as he went over the receiver to get that pick 6. 

 

Look at that tragic preseason game vs. PHI. There were like 8 illegal contact calls ... replays show minor hand checking. Please. NFL refs need to stop dictating outcomes. However, then people will look and see there were only 2 TDs - both by the defense. No one wants that, so the league goes flag-happy. 

 

Gimme a game called like this every time. It is what I prefer. 

[GrimCoconut]

Absolutely and I like that approach by the officials. So, for me, I have to take the bad with the good and can't be screaming for flags when it suits my team. IMO that is the best crew in the NFL. There are crews out there that would have called Jimmy for PI because he made slight contact on the back as he went over the receiver to get that pick 6. 

 

Look at that tragic preseason game vs. PHI. There were like 8 illegal contact calls ... replays show minor hand checking. Please. NFL refs need to stop dictating outcomes. However, then people will look and see there were only 2 TDs - both by the defense. No one wants that, so the league goes flag-happy. 

 

Gimme a game called like this every time. It is what I prefer. 

Yeah, that's why I'm not really mad at the Gillmore mugging he got in the endzone even though it sucked for us. There were questionable things I saw from everyone out there and I never once felt like it was one-sided. I do kinda think the Joe Flacco sack that was a questionable horse collar was a bit suspect with how much the QB is protected, but they never once called any questionable roughing the passer on us when we relentlessly killed Manning so I can't get mad on Joe. Our hits were pretty clean from what I saw, though.

Edited September 14, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[Guest]

Obviously our Offensive Line laid an egg.  That was more pitiful than 2013.  Once Monroe went out Hurst and Wagner were pushed around like Rag Dolls. 

 

Flacco was under constant and immediate pressure. The ball he lobbed up at the end of the game for Gilmore was thrown earlier than he wanted, but Flacco lobbed it up "Tail Down" because that gave Gilmore time to adjust to it.  The thrown was marginally underlobbed and I agree with those that believe it was Pass Interference.  Gilmore is so strong though, like Gronk, and his ability to fight for the ball influenced no flag in my opinion.

 

What bothers me though is how inept the receivers looked. Flacco threw for 117 yards.  Where was Darren Waller?  Did he get even one offensive play? Marlon Brown made one nice grab.

 

That was a disaster.

Offensive line can walk home...

 

Horrible

Wasn't even playing the ball on the Game losing INT. 

 

But we lost because of our Offense. All of them. Every single person on that offense.

 

Mostly the O Line and Receivers.

Refs allowed Bruton to get away with obvious DPI. Didn't turn head, didn't play the ball. That's DPI 99% of the time. Today was the 1% where the ref should be fired. We should still be playing and had 4 more chances to win, the refs should walk home.

 

Now the only thing about the game, our offense needs to put points up. This was similar to the Colts game last year where it was low scoring and our offense didn't show up at all. Defense played solid, and should get better as we get Jernigan back and they get in rhythm during the season. Offense though? We may want to give Reggie Wayne a call and give him a tryout until Perriman is healthy.

 

Reggie Wayne wouldn't have helped out there today. Agree Gilmore was fouled.

The whole game was ugly, but it had an acceptable outcome

 

Good Luck with your Geriatric QB. We exposed the Pizza Man.  He won't last the year. He is done.

True, but ball was underthrown.

 

Not really

[BSHU_Miami]

I think Crockett should've came down with that catch but I'll take his effort over Torrey any day

[Militant X 1]

The offense....once again...was trash, trash and more trash!  Smh!

[HoldingCall]

What does he have to answer? Again, the one thing that has reared its ugly head in Joe's entire career is receivers/Tight Ends dropping passes that should have been caught. It's been the story of Joe's career. Joe put us in position to win at the end and Gilmore couldn't hold on. 

 

What I like to know is why didn't we use Waller? 6'6 big easy target in the red zone, was he inactive? If he was that was a poor decision.

Waller played on special teams. so no he was not inactive.

[HoldingCall]

I think Waller was active, but it's Aqib Talib and Chris Harris Jr. out there, and I don't know how Waller would fair in a game like this, I honestly think we should have targeted Marlon Brown. 

Marlon had two catches and was targeted two times. His total of 25 yards was the most by a Raven receiver. I thought he would get more targets after the two catches but it didn't happen.

 

The Good: Young players played well when used; Webb, made it through the game without injury; the defense played well.

The Bad: The injury to Suggs; The OL; the pick-6; the missed opportunity at the end; the defense didn't win the game for the offense.

Low offensive production!

[sharkh20]

Best game Dean Pees has ever called.  Glad to see it.  O line looked not good.  Flashbacks to 2013.  SSS makes that catch or Flacco gives that last throw another half a foot of air and everyone on this board is singing a different tune.  I wasn't super upset after this game just because it looks like defense is back in Baltimore.  Hoping it isn't a fluke.

[-Truth-]

On a positive note, how good was Daryl Smith in coverage? I wish he would've came away with the INT, but it was still a byproduct of a terrific break on the ball in front of Emmanuel Sanders. He was also able to deflect the ball near the sideline earlier in the game, and also force Peyton Manning to overthrow Sanders on the post in the end zone due to Smith's depth. His presence lets C.J. Mosely sniff around the LOS and come through on delayed blitzes. For as many questions as were thrown around during the preseason, the defense certainly answered the bell this week.

[Ravensfan23]

Marlon had two catches and was targeted two times. His total of 25 yards was the most by a Raven receiver. I thought he would get more targets after the two catches but it didn't happen.

 

The Good: Young players played well when used; Webb, made it through the game without injury; the defense played well.

The Bad: The injury to Suggs; The OL; the pick-6; the missed opportunity at the end; the defense didn't win the game for the offense.

Low offensive production!

Marlon had some really good battles with both Harris and Talib. He won his fair share too, problem was Flacco didn't have time to throw his way often. He ran a lot of deeper routes. The Ravens had so big play opportunities and i think this would have been a completely different game if Flacco had protection.

I know the oline was bad but i think they'll improve. Those guys didn't play together anytime during the preseason and some of those guy missed a ton of practice time. That was a tough first matchup.

Of course the Ugly is Suggs. Just sucks for that guy at this point in his career to have that type injury. It's an opportunity for others but Sizzle is a big loss both from an leadership and production standpoint.

[Ravensfan23]

Best game Dean Pees has ever called.  Glad to see it.  O line looked not good.  Flashbacks to 2013.  SSS makes that catch or Flacco gives that last throw another half a foot of air and everyone on this board is singing a different tune.  I wasn't super upset after this game just because it looks like defense is back in Baltimore.  Hoping it isn't a fluke.

That last throw from Flacco is a chemistry issue. Gilmore clearly had his guy beat and a nice touch pass from Joe would have sealed the deal. If that's Pitta or Daniels he's probably throwing that ball right into thw basket. But when you're not used to throwing to a guy you kinda just put it in a place where the guy can use his best attribute to make the play. That's size with Gilmore. If given that opportunity again, i think Joe throws that ball to the back of the end zone.

This is the type of game Pees typically calls honest, the difference is you finally got heathly players at CB and two quality Safeties to execute the defense. When the secondary is playing well Pees will call up some exotic coverages and blitzes. Now that Suggs is gone i expect Pees to be even more aggressive with his pressure packages.

[usmccharles]

Now that i have had time to relax and let it all sink in, bored at work, ill give my takeaways

 

- Speed.  Or should i say lack there of.  Can someone tell me the longest pass flacco threw?  He has the biggest arm in the league and we dont have a weapon for him to use, yet.  I still dont understand what harm could have came from throwing Waller out there; Hes big, strong, and fast and could have at least stretched the field. 

 

- O Line= ouch.  After Monroe went down it was noticable, but we were still getting beat up pretty bad, Denver's front is no joke, glad we got that tough game out of the way.  With the lack of time Joe had to throw the ball, why not just go to a shotgun formation every down, seems as if he didnt even have time to hand the ball off let alone do a 5 step drop. 

 

- Defense- I really liked what i saw overall, althought i hattteee giving up 3rd and 8s which we have seem to always do.  Jimmy keeps playing that way, he will be talked about with revis, sherman, etc...the top guys this year.  I thought web and arrington held their own fairly well, if we fielded that secondary last year in the playoffs, we would of been in the suporbowl imo.

 

- Play calling-  I dont really know what to think of it, it seems we were in conservative mode all game until the last 2 minutes.  The int to end the game can go either way, i for one dont think it was a good throw, it needed to be more towards the back of the endzone, but if SSS doesnt let a pass bounce off his face, flacco is elite, we are superbowl bound, etc....

 

Basically what i thought was going to happen, happened, it was a close hard game but we got the loss which i thought we would.  But this outing showed me we can play very tough hardnose football like we always have, now have to figure out a pass rush patch, next man up. 

[CalvinSmoke]

Now that I've had time to relax a bit:

 - Our run defense was on for most the night, losing Suggs took some steam out of us for a little while but they were still VERY stout up front.

 - Our offensive line must regroup

 - Flacco could have been sharper, the deck was stacked against him today but we need him to not get flustered

 - Smitty's drop hurt but the ball was tipped. He's only human, even in his final year

 - Crockett's drop would have been a tough catch, but man... that would have begun his legend.

 - Our secondary dodged some serious bullets today. Peyton missed on 3 touchdowns, 2 on Webb 1 on Jimmy.

Edited September 14, 2015 by CalvinSmoke

[Gordo52]

The good:

Defense as a whole. Jimmy & Brandon dominated. Secondary looked much improved..Run D was great.

The bad:

Offensive line played atrocious. Offense looked way out of sync. Joe was feeling heat pretty much ever play. No run game, no deep threat, no yac... Offense pretty much got bullied.

The great:

It's only week 1

Overall:

Tough loss.. Especially Suggs....Broncos are a great team and we were one play short of making a play to win in a tough environment....Steve's drop is inexcusable. Crockett could've made the play even though it was really tough. I hope SSS redeems himself big. Not a good start for his last ride. We are really missing Perriman... Or just speed for that matter. Really need hm to come back and step up since no one else wants to.

I guess another positive that can be taken is this team is battling adversity/major injury early. Rather it be now then later, I reckon.

Edited September 14, 2015 by Gordo52

[Cillmatic]

The good:

Defense as a whole. Jimmy & Brandon dominated. Secondary looked much improved..Run D was Great .

Why does everyone say the run D was great? The LONG 10 minute drive at the end was accomplished by the Broncos running the ball.

[Cillmatic]

Buck looked good, Forsett did not look good at all.

[The Mom Gene]

Why does everyone say the run D was great? The LONG 10 minute drive at the end was accomplished by the Broncos running the ball.

Read your own post...  "you even sad at the end".  It was 90 degrees on the field.  I am sure they were tanked (or pretty close) at that point.  The Broncos also used short screens and slants in that drive too.  Our run D was really good last night.

[JEEPercreepermd]

That was an ugly game.

Joe had zero time to make quality throws,yet he was still like 18 of 24 which isn't bad at all considering they have Talib and Harris.

Defense was stout until the end, which I can't really pin on them. They were tired and still gave the team a shot by only giving up 3.

Listen, I didn't think we could win this game from the start. Most of us here had it down as a loss... Denver is a good team, and we took them to the limit in their own house on week 1.

No need to jump off a bridge get guys.

We will crush Oakland this week, and all will be right with the world.

[JEEPercreepermd]

Why does everyone say the run D was great? The LONG 10 minute drive at the end was accomplished by the Broncos running the ball.

Because they were gassed dude. That drive would have been a punt in quarters 1-3.

You can't hold that against them. Denver's defense shut us down plain and simple. Our defense shut them down as well.

[CalvinSmoke]

Why does everyone say the run D was great? The LONG 10 minute drive at the end was accomplished by the Broncos running the ball.

And we had lost Suggs at that point.

[CalvinSmoke]

The good:

Defense as a whole. Jimmy & Brandon dominated. Secondary looked much improved..Run D was great.

The bad:

Offensive line played atrocious. Offense looked way out of sync. Joe was feeling heat pretty much ever play. No run game, no deep threat, no yac... Offense pretty much got bullied.

The great:

It's only week 1

Overall:

Tough loss.. Especially Suggs....Broncos are a great team and we were one play short of making a play to win in a tough environment....Steve's drop is inexcusable. Crockett could've made the play even though it was really tough. I hope SSS redeems himself big. Not a good start for his last ride. We are really missing Perriman... Or just speed for that matter. Really need hm to come back and step up since no one else wants to.

I guess another positive that can be taken is this team is battling adversity/major injury early. Rather it be now then later, I reckon.

That's only because Peyton missed Emmanuel Sanders on multiple occasions. He got wide open on those streaks far more often than my stomach could handle.

[Static]

And we had lost Suggs at that point.

 

 

So our Run D is going to be terrible for the rest of the season?

 

 

I wanna say that Peyton made our secondary look good because he is just so finished. 

Edited September 14, 2015 by Static