Crockett and Mad Maxx

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

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Let's bring up a positive shall we... BEAST. 

Edited September 23, 2015 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[HoldingCall]

I would love if we used them like the pats used gronk and hernandez.  I think they need to be on the field together at all times

Looking at the team offense and personnel, I believe that is the best setup ( 2 TEs) for a majority of the time. I wouldn't be surprised to see it this week at home.

Edited September 23, 2015 by HoldingCall

[usmccharles]

Looking at the team offense and personnel, I believe that is the best setup ( 2 TEs) for a majority of the time. I wouldn't be surprised to see it this week at home.

we lack playmakers.  Both of these guys can create something out of nothing.  not like we have many other options

[polynesian15]

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Let's bring up a positive shall we... BEAST. 

I remember watching Crock's performance this Sunday and thinking: "That's Gronk-esque!"

I'm looking forward to see how he plays throughout the season, Oakland was a nice teaser (supposedly).

[polynesian15]

we lack playmakers.  Both of these guys can create something out of nothing.  not like we have many other options

I think Senior showed plenty, Forsett also displayed nice patience.

But we should definitely feed the hot hands and Crock was ballin' vs. Oakland.

[usmccharles]

I think Senior showed plenty, Forsett also displayed nice patience.

But we should definitely feed the hot hands and Crock was ballin' vs. Oakland.

Sorry, didnt think i needed to mention SR, he always comes to play, but as we saw last year he wears down.  Forsett as a veteran shows that patience is key waiting for holes to open up.  but we lack that guy who really can change the game, what we had in Torrey (not trying to start that debate).  When BP comes back i will be very interested to see how he is used right away

[rmcjacket23]

I remember watching Crock's performance this Sunday and thinking: "That's Gronk-esque!"

I'm looking forward to see how he plays throughout the season, Oakland was a nice teaser (supposedly).

I'm not coming close to buying this yet.

 

1. The Raiders are a terrible secondary, and in particular, terrible linebacking core in coverage. Crockett tears up the first half when their defense let him prance through the meadow like he was a little girl they didn't want to hit.

 

2. Second half, different game. They start jamming him, he actually has to work to get open, and he doesn't perform nearly as well.

 

Expect a lot of #2 on Sunday, particularly against a Bengals linebacking core that's pretty decent in coverage. I'm predicting a rather large decline in production on Sunday for Crockett.

[redrum52]

I'm not coming close to buying this yet.

1. The Raiders are a terrible secondary, and in particular, terrible linebacking core in coverage. Crockett tears up the first half when their defense let him prance through the meadow like he was a little girl they didn't want to hit.

2. Second half, different game. They start jamming him, he actually has to work to get open, and he doesn't perform nearly as well.

Expect a lot of #2 on Sunday, particularly against a Bengals linebacking core that's pretty decent in coverage. I'm predicting a rather large decline in production on Sunday for Crockett.

... sooo, what you're saying is, if I have Eifert and Gillmore, I should play Eifert?

[rmcjacket23]

... sooo, what you're saying is, if I have Eifert and Gillmore, I should play Eifert?

Tough call, because generally speaking, we do well against TEs also.

 

Eifert is a better all around pass catcher for a TE anyway, so yeah, I'd probably go with him.

[Tru11]

... sooo, what you're saying is, if I have Eifert and Gillmore, I should play Eifert?

 

or find another TE lol

 

Eifert probably the safer choice if we go by the 2nd half of the raiders game.

[usmccharles]

I'm not coming close to buying this yet.

 

1. The Raiders are a terrible secondary, and in particular, terrible linebacking core in coverage. Crockett tears up the first half when their defense let him prance through the meadow like he was a little girl they didn't want to hit.

 

2. Second half, different game. They start jamming him, he actually has to work to get open, and he doesn't perform nearly as well.

 

Expect a lot of #2 on Sunday, particularly against a Bengals linebacking core that's pretty decent in coverage. I'm predicting a rather large decline in production on Sunday for Crockett.

Yes he did show signs of struggling against the jam, but we didnt ask him to do much last year so this year he is finally given the oppurtunity to make some plays.  Lets let him develope some and i think we all will be happy with what he becomes.  Even if the Raiders secondary is terrible, he still broke about 4 tackles dragging people into the endzone, still impressive

[rmcjacket23]

Yes he did show signs of struggling against the jam, but we didnt ask him to do much last year so this year he is finally given the oppurtunity to make some plays.  Lets let him develope some and i think we all will be happy with what he becomes.  Even if the Raiders secondary is terrible, he still broke about 4 tackles dragging people into the endzone, still impressive

I agree, I'm just saying I'm not overreacting to literally one game thinking that Crockett is going to be some kind of like 70-80 catch TE who goes over a thousand yards.

 

Breaking tackles only really matters when he actually gets the ball. If you stop him from getting the ball (and teams will certainly soon start to focus more on this), then you stop him from breaking tackles.

[RaineV1]

I think it'll become harder for teams to stop Crockett from getting the ball after Perriman returns. Safeties are going to play deeper and Gilmore can take advantage of the extra space.

[HoldingCall]

we lack playmakers.  Both of these guys can create something out of nothing.  not like we have many other options

I am not certain that playmakers don't exist, the need for an ample OL makes it almost impossible to tell; whether at RB or WR.

[rmcjacket23]

I think it'll become harder for teams to stop Crockett from getting the ball after Perriman returns. Safeties are going to play deeper and Gilmore can take advantage of the extra space.

A distinct possibility, as long as when Perriman returns he will actually be on the field.

 

Me personally, I don't think Perriman will be playing that many snaps until at least late October or November at the earliest. I doubt when he's healthy we are just going to thrust him out there as the #2.

[rmcjacket23]

I am not certain that playmakers don't exist, the need for an ample OL makes it almost impossible to tell; whether at RB or WR.

OL wasn't really a problem against Oakland, and I only really saw two play makers out there. 

[HoldingCall]

OL wasn't really a problem against Oakland, and I only really saw two play makers out there. 

I saw it somewhat different. Forsett's, 68 yards is nothing to be joyful about. As for passing Joe had time to throw to his first read. Even when he threw to someone other than SSS he looked at that receiver right from the start. His trust of the OL hasn't materialized yet, and rightfully so. There is still much work to do.

[HoldingCall]

OL wasn't really a problem against Oakland, and I only really saw two play makers out there. 

They are all young, so I will give them a few more games to see whether someone steps forward.

[rmcjacket23]

I saw it somewhat different. Forsett's, 68 yards is nothing to be joyful about. As for passing Joe had time to throw to his first read. Even when he threw to someone other than SSS he looked at that receiver right from the start. His trust of the OL hasn't materialized yet, and rightfully so. There is still much work to do.

Cool, but his trust in the Oline and them actually playing well are two completely different things.

 

Frankly, that's more of a Joe problem than an Oline problem. Its basically the same exact Oline he played with for most of last season... there isn't a single new guy on that line that he hasn't played with multiple times before. So if he can't trust them because they had a poor game against Denver, despite trusting them for the majority of last season, that's more of a Joe problem than an Oline problem.

 

Not questioning the Oline's play against Denver, because it was dreadful. But against Oakland, it was quite good, certainly acceptable for any QB in this league. 

[The Raven]

The broadcast showed that Crockett was getting chipped by two guys for a good bit of the second half. the DE or OLB would jam at the line and then the coverage LB would jam him again. I don't even think Gronk consistently wins against double jams.

[rmcjacket23]

The broadcast showed that Crockett was getting chipped by two guys for a good bit of the second half. the DE or OLB would jam at the line and then the coverage LB would jam him again. I don't even think Gronk consistently wins against double jams.

Typically no, because the Patriots will make you pay in another area for doing that. We did not do that, nor am I sure we are capable of doing that currently.

[The Raven]

Typically no, because the Patriots will make you pay in another area for doing that. We did not do that, nor am I sure we are capable of doing that currently.

 

I think the key to that is to use Juice and Maxx more. They limited Crockett by jamming him twice--can they afford to do that with another TE/FB type? More bunch formations could help. I expect Trestman to adapt to the double jam with more Juice and more bunch.

[rmcjacket23]

I think the key to that is to use Juice and Maxx more. They limited Crockett by jamming him twice--can they afford to do that with another TE/FB type? More bunch formations could help. I expect Trestman to adapt to the double jam with more Juice and more bunch.

Possibly. 

 

1. Not sure the organizational faith that Max can play significant snaps right now, as rookie TEs generally struggle with their assignments.

2. That means Juice isn't in their blocking, which could be problematic. Also, if you're running a two TE set with a FB, you only have one WR on the field. 

[The Raven]

Possibly. 

 

1. Not sure the organizational faith that Max can play significant snaps right now, as rookie TEs generally struggle with their assignments.

2. That means Juice isn't in their blocking, which could be problematic. Also, if you're running a two TE set with a FB, you only have one WR on the field. 

 

Well, I didn't mean a 22 set, but I think those could be quite effective in small doses with the guys we have. What I'd like to try, maybe, is have Juice as the loneback with Maxx and Crock. 

 

We absolutely need to use Juice more. Using him more will get Crock open and vice versa. Or, the answer could be using our RBs for more than just check downs--actually put them on swings, outs, ins, wheels, etc... We need to make the other team's backers worry about other assignments, not just Crock.

[polynesian15]

I'm not coming close to buying this yet.

 

1. The Raiders are a terrible secondary, and in particular, terrible linebacking core in coverage. Crockett tears up the first half when their defense let him prance through the meadow like he was a little girl they didn't want to hit.

 

2. Second half, different game. They start jamming him, he actually has to work to get open, and he doesn't perform nearly as well.

 

Expect a lot of #2 on Sunday, particularly against a Bengals linebacking core that's pretty decent in coverage. I'm predicting a rather large decline in production on Sunday for Crockett.

Sure, those are good points which is why I said '-esque'. Also, I was more referring to his physical ability to drag 2-3 defenders into the endzone. I'm not saying he's got the speed and route ability of Gronk.

 

[ravensfan2430]

Crockett is very athletic.

[salamander]

Gilmore has a lot of room to develop yet so his ceiling remains to be seen. I am optimistic that Gilmore will rise to the occasion as he moves up the learning curve. I just hope Trestman adapts the schemes to maximize Gilmore's ability to be open or make the opposition pay with a completion to another receiver as a result of smart play calling. Any way you look at it, I think Gilmore is going to be an even more serious offensive weapon down the road.

Edited September 23, 2015 by salamander

[rmcjacket23]

Well, I didn't mean a 22 set, but I think those could be quite effective in small doses with the guys we have. What I'd like to try, maybe, is have Juice as the loneback with Maxx and Crock. 

 

We absolutely need to use Juice more. Using him more will get Crock open and vice versa. Or, the answer could be using our RBs for more than just check downs--actually put them on swings, outs, ins, wheels, etc... We need to make the other team's backers worry about other assignments, not just Crock.

Could work, but the only problem I have is if Juice is the lone back, he's got to be at least a threat to carry the ball, which I don't think teams will consider him to be.

 

So unless its 3rd and long, I don't expect this to happen, because it's actually quite easily to cover Juice if you know he's not a threat to block or run the ball.

[The Raven]

Could work, but the only problem I have is if Juice is the lone back, he's got to be at least a threat to carry the ball, which I don't think teams will consider him to be.

 

So unless its 3rd and long, I don't expect this to happen, because it's actually quite easily to cover Juice if you know he's not a threat to block or run the ball.

 

Well, I think he is a threat to block, and he could be pretty effective on block-releases.

[rmcjacket23]

Well, I think he is a threat to block, and he could be pretty effective on block-releases.

Sure, but think about what we are saying...

 

We have a single RB out there, in a non-obvious passing situation, who the defense knows won't be getting a handoff.

 

Think maybe the defense has an advantage there? He's not Darren Sproles who is just going to be elusive and outrun people in the open field. He's got skills, just not those kinds of skills.