Crockett and Mad Maxx

[codizzle]

It is a bit unnatural to feel supremely confident in Flacco for any given regular season game. But I feel he has a big year this year as well.

Oh it ain't supremely confident at all but it's still a good feeling

[K-Dog]

I still dress like them. ]

Respect level increased.

[1/28/01]

Oh it ain't supremely confident at all but it's still a good feeling

For the most part, my feeling has always been nervous anxiety. I feel good about Flacco this year.

[codizzle]

For the most part, my feeling has always been nervous anxiety. I feel good about Flacco this year.

It comes down to health.. I'd like to see oline stay healthy for once and one weapon to emerge besides Steve

[Tank 92]

It comes down to health.. I'd like to see oline stay healthy for once and one weapon to emerge besides Steve

You can't say that, it's just an excuse. A true franchise QB makes bad O line players better and is able to produce receiving weapons out of thin air.

[JoeyFlex5]

He was raw, having just made the switch from DE to TE at a smaller school. I thought the 3rd round was a slight reach at the time, but that's why I'm here and Ozzie is there. 

that all makes sense but man... film doesnt lie, he has some very impressive tape. i hate to compare a young player to the most dominant player at that respective position, but crocketts college tape is reminiscent of gronk. i highly doubt he will ever come close to that, but the eye test says they look similar, just rugged and tough as nails and making db's look like children

[JoeyFlex5]

It is a bit unnatural to feel supremely confident in Flacco for any given regular season game. But I feel he has a big year this year as well.

i feel nervous about joe until we are down 1-6 points in the last 3 minutes with the ball. 

 

and i am not lying even a little bit. the first 55 minutes i dont know what to expect, but when we need one clutch drive from him, suddenly i have supreme confidence.

[Purple_City39]

i feel nervous about joe until we are down 1-6 points in the last 3 minutes with the ball. 

 

and i am not lying even a little bit. the first 55 minutes i dont know what to expect, but when we need one clutch drive from him, suddenly i have supreme confidence.

I somewhat here also.  I used to get very nervous if we were down near the end of a game.  After 2011, I've always believed Joe would find a way so long as he had the ball.  Honestly, I've been more nervous when it's under 2 minutes, we're up by 6 or less, and the opponent has the ball.

[January J]

I somewhat here also. I used to get very nervous if we were down near the end of a game. After 2011, I've always believed Joe would find a way so long as he had the ball. Honestly, I've been more nervous when it's under 2 minutes, we're up by 6 or less, and the opponent has the ball.

that's also when I'm the most nervous. If we don't have Atleast a 15 point lead I never truly feel comfortable anymore.

[1/28/01]

You can't say that, it's just an excuse. A true franchise QB makes bad O line players better and is able to produce receiving weapons out of thin air.

I know you're being sarcastic in an attempt to stick up for Flacco (as if he's actually being talked negatively about here), but you are correct with what you've said.

[ludy51]

you are correct with what you've said.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[1/28/01]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Yes, a great QB can make an oline and receivers look better. No secret there.

[codizzle]

Yes, a great QB can make an oline and receivers look better. No secret there.

Yup

[ludy51]

Yes, a great QB can make an oline and receivers look better. No secret there.

He didn't say "better" he said "out if thin air"

[1/28/01]

He didn't say "better" he said "out if thin air"

Semantics. It's true. Great QBs can make substandard or mediocre players better. Just like amazing LBs can make substandard defenders better. How many LBs did Ray make look better? Tons. No one would argue that.

[Raven'evermore]

Yes, a great QB can make an oline and receivers look better. No secret there.

 I might agree with the receiver part, but how exactly does a QB make an Oline look good?  I mean isn't it the other way around?  Isn't it the Oline's job to give the QB time to take apart the Defense, and as far as receivers go, haven't we been saying that Joe needs a #1 who will go after the ball?  Hasn't SSS made a huge difference?  As disappointing as Dalton has been for the Bengals; how much worse would he be without A.J Green?  Not saying you're wrong.  Just saying I don't get the logic. Thinking it's more about chemistry. 

[1/28/01]

I might agree with the receiver part, but how exactly does a QB make an Oline look good? I mean isn't it the other way around? Isn't it the Oline's job to give the QB time to take apart the Defense, and as far as receivers go, haven't we been saying that Joe needs a #1 who will go after the ball? Hasn't SSS made a huge difference? As disappointing as Dalton has been for the Bengals; how much worse would he be without A.J Green? Not saying you're wrong. Just saying I don't get the logic. Thinking it's more about chemistry.

Peyton. Quick release and quick reads. Quick progression from your 1 to your 2 to your 3. To an extent, Roethlisberger helps with his mobility and pocket awareness. Come on, that was easy

[Raven'evermore]

Peyton. Quick release and quick reads. Quick progression from your 1 to your 2 to your 3. To an extent, Roethlisberger helps with his mobility and pocket awareness. Come on, that was easy

  If you're having to go from your 1 to your 3 read, then they're obviously being covered, or not in position; again, chemistry.  In other words, The QB and the receiver have to be doing their job.  If Rothlisberger is being mobile, then it's a good indication that (not always) his oline is breaking down.  I don't think that he makes them look good as much as saving their butts from being embarrassed if he completes a pass. 

[Raven'evermore]

  If you're having to go from your 1 to your 3 read, then they're obviously being covered, or not in position; again, chemistry.  In other words, The QB and the receiver have to be doing their job.  If Rothlisberger is being mobile, then it's a good indication that (not always) his oline is breaking down.  I don't think that he makes them look good as much as saving their butts from being embarrassed if he completes a pass. 

  Probably just me being dense.

[1/28/01]

If you're having to go from your 1 to your 3 read, then they're obviously being covered, or not in position; again, chemistry. In other words, The QB and the receiver have to be doing their job. If Rothlisberger is being mobile, then it's a good indication that (not always) his oline is breaking down. I don't think that he makes them look good as much as saving their butts from being embarrassed if he completes a pass.

Yes, and as a result, making them look better...aka minimizing their deficiencies.

[Raven'evermore]

Yes, and as a result, making them look better...aka minimizing their deficiencies.

 Okay, thanks.

[PolishRifle]

I know you're being sarcastic in an attempt to stick up for Flacco (as if he's actually being talked negatively about here), but you are correct with what you've said.

 

They can't do both at the same time, though. Manning is always surrounded by great weapons, even if his Oline isn't great (sometimes) and that OL in NE has been really good for a while and now Brady has Gronk, who would be great literally anywhere. Sure Big Ben can escape pressure, but Heath Miller is one heck of a security blanket (that actually stays healthy) and you can make an easy case for Antonio Brown being the best WR in the league and Ben still didn't impress in last years playoffs without a running game.

So yeah, you are technically right a QB can make parts of his team better and I do think Joe has managed to be successfull with relatively little. He kinda had to with our history of drafting WRs and Pitta being constantly hurt. But, the offense needs to have some strengths, that the QB in question can work with.

Edited September 13, 2015 by PolishRifle

[Raven'evermore]

Yes, and as a result, making them look better...aka minimizing their deficiencies.

 Actually, after giving it some thought I still have to disagree. This doesn't make them look good.  For that, they have to do their jobs which they didn't do.  The coach isn't going to say good job.  He's going to put in someone who will.  Again, maybe I'm being dense, but thanks for trying.  Good luck to us.

[1/28/01]

They can't do both at the same time, though. Manning is always surrounded by great weapons, even if his Oline isn't great (sometimes) and that OL in NE has been really good for a while and now Brady has Gronk, who would be great literally anywhere. Sure Big Ben can escape pressure, but Heath Miller is one heck of a security blanket (that actually stays healthy) and you can make an easy case for Antonio Brown being the best WR in the league and Ben still didn't impress in last years playoffs without a running game.

So yeah, you are technically right a QB can make parts of his team better and I do think Joe has managed to be successfull with relatively little. He kinda had to with our history of drafting WRs and Pitta being constantly hurt. But, the offense needs to have some strengths, that the QB in question can work with.

Can't argue here. Some people just seem to think the Peytons, Bradys and Rodgers of the league have it all and in order for Flacco to do the same we need a stacked offense. Not true. Some QBs can either hide deficiencies, make players LOOK better or truly elevate their play. That's all I'm saying.

[The Mom Gene]

So I'm at the gym this morning and ESPN is ranking the players for Week 1.  Tyrod is ranked #22.....

Flacco #20.  How does that even happen???  A man who hasn't started a game in his career is ranked higher than a Super Bowl MVP!

 

Back on topic...  I am really anxious to see Max and Gilmore...  I think they are gonna be quite the TE tandem.

[1/28/01]

But to be on topic here, I think Gilmore has a pretty big year!

[1/28/01]

So I'm at the gym this morning and ESPN is ranking the players for Week 1. Tyrod is ranked #22.....

Flacco #20. How does that even happen??? A man who hasn't started a game in his career is ranked higher than a Super Bowl MVP!

20 is lower, but perhaps it had to do with the matchups THIS week and I'm sure not overall.

[PolishRifle]

Can't argue here. Some people just seem to think the Peytons, Bradys and Rodgers of the league have it all and in order for Flacco to do the same we need a stacked offense. Not true. Some QBs can either hide deficiencies, make players LOOK better or truly elevate their play. That's all I'm saying.

 

I don't disagree, but our OLs have always been better at run blocking than pass protecting and where is the well rounded TE or WR? You gotta give the guy something. I think, if our OL shows up and gives Joe time in the pocket, he will be able to do damage with an old SSS, Aiken and a couple unproven TEs (Crockett might actually turn out great, who knows?). Ever since we finally got a franchise QB, it has become painfully obvious how bad we are at finding weapons in passing game. Why can't we find an Antonio Brown?

Edited September 13, 2015 by PolishRifle

[The Mom Gene]

20 is lower, but perhaps it had to do with the matchups THIS week and I'm sure not overall.

 

yeah, I know, but not by that much was my point... shouldn't even be close.

[1/28/01]

yeah, I know, but not by that much was my point... shouldn't even be close.

You said ranked higher, which he isn't, so I was confused. The guy can play, though.