Youth Movement

[757RavensFan]

After looking at the updated depth chart, I noticed there's only 10-12 players over 30 (guessing ages) on the team.  Two years ago when we won it all, we were considered  "old". If I had  to guess now we're probably in the top 10 of youngest teams in the league. 

 

What's your opinion on the current youth movement taking place with the team?

Edited September 9, 2015 by 757RavensFan

[cobrajet]

I actually like it. We still seem to have a good mix of enough veterans to help the young guys.

[Purple_City39]

I like it.  Even the young guys we have are mature.  Brandon Williams is already mentoring younger guys.  If Will Hill stays clean, he'd made an excellent mentor that can tell younger guys what NOT to do so as to avoid suspensions and such.  All the WRs seem mature and they will learn from a true vet before he leaves.  Jimmy is another good potential mentor in the mold of Hill but potentially better as he can be first hand experience on not taking natural talent for granted over studying the game.

 

We may be a young team over all but we have a lot of "wiser than their years" type of players.

[DomMcRaven]

I'm all for it. An influx of youth with veteran leadership is the way to go IMO.

[Tru11]

means we will have a bigger gap to get another SB before we have to retool the team again.

[redrum52]

means we will have a bigger gap to get another SB before we have to retool the team again.

Yea. We've been building the new core of the team since after the SB. The d line and secondary are basically built for years to come, along with the o line, depending on what's done with KO.

[January J]

Always a plus getting younger. If things go according to plan, we may have 2 superstar tight ends and 2 superstar wideouts and possibly 2 great running Backs for the next 3 or 4 years for next to nothing. This will enable us to pour a lot of money into our defense, which also has it's share of young up and and coming superstars with cj mosely, Jernigan, Carl Davis , etc.

we are sitting real pretty right now and have the potential to start a dynasty over the next 8 years of flaccos career. It's all due to Ozzie being smart and getting rid of expensive players that can be replaced without losing production and saving tons of money. (Such as ngata)

[Static]

Always a plus getting younger. If things go according to plan, we may have 2 superstar tight ends and 2 superstar wideouts and possibly 2 great running Backs for the next 3 or 4 years for next to nothing. This will enable us to pour a lot of money into our defense, which also has it's share of young up and and coming superstars with cj mosely, Jernigan, Carl Davis , etc.

we are sitting real pretty right now and have the potential to start a dynasty over the next 8 years of flaccos career. It's all due to Ozzie being smart and getting rid of expensive players that can be replaced without losing production and saving tons of money. (Such as ngata)

 

what?

[pitchblack_20]

I like the youth movement. After seeing the depth chart, I'm concerned about the depth of the OL but on the other hand I like that the young guys are going to see more snaps.

[757RavensFan]

what?

 

I'm guessing Perriman and Campanaro.

[GrimCoconut]

Hopefully it helps us because the Seahawks showed how you can win a championship by building youth. One thing they do well is draft guys for their scheme. They're very scheme specific with their draft picks. I think I read a while back that they specifically avoid CB early and instead go for slower(not slugs, mind you, but not the fastest guys at the Combine) but bigger CB that can run their cover 3 zone.

I have to respect how they assembled their CB corps. I think they partially lucked out getting Earl Thomas, too. He's the best FS in the NFL imo. I say this to say that a FS of his calibre is one I'd trade the farm to get for this team if that guy exists in this draft.

Anyway, youth is great. Having a mix of both youth and veterans is vital. I think this team is perfectly poised for this in the future. Suggs, Dumervil and Daryl will eventually be on their way out in a couple years, so their replacements are paramount. I don't see them in this roster, and that's a youth movement I'd like to see continue.

[January J]

I'm guessing Perriman and Campanaro.

Was actually referring to perriman and Waller, but camp actually may fit in that equation even better. Then you obviously have Crockett and Maxx ... And then talioferro and buck. "Superstar" may have been a bit over the top but all of these guys have a ton of potential ( some obviously more than others) but the key is we have them for cheap cheap and Enable us to spend money elsewhere. Getting younger is essential and Ray Lewis stressed this big time between the 2013-14 season.

[January J]

This isn't based on what they've Already done , obviously because they are rookies or in their sophomore year, it's what their ceiling is compared to how little they effect the cap. Certainly they have a lot to prove and have to stay healthy which is why I said if things go according to plan. Buck Allen probably is the least intriguing of the 6 based on what we've seen so far, but once talioferro gets healthy I think he's in for a huge year. I also think by next year when SSS retires, perriman and Waller will be ready to take that next step. Maxx may take a year or 2 as well, but Crockett is on the cusp of becoming something special. I can smell it.

And if you wanna throw campanaro In their , he most definitely could become one of the top slot receivers in the league, and even though it's cliche to say he could become the next Wes welker or Julian Edelman.

Edited September 9, 2015 by January J

[Purple_City39]

I like the youth movement. After seeing the depth chart, I'm concerned about the depth of the OL but on the other hand I like that the young guys are going to see more snaps.

With Urschel being one of the best backups we've had in awhile, Hurst playing well, and Jensen coming out of nowhere (wasn't he Castillo's personal project), I think this is some of the better o-line depth we've had in awhile (awhile being every year Jah Reid was a backup)

[pitchblack_20]

With Urschel being one of the best backups we've had in awhile, Hurst playing well, and Jensen coming out of nowhere (wasn't he Castillo's personal project), I think this is some of the better o-line depth we've had in awhile (awhile being every year Jah Reid was a backup)

I do understand what you're saying and I do like the development of our young players, I just don't like that single guys are the only back-up options to multiple positions.

[Purple_City39]

I do understand what you're saying and I do like the development of our young players, I just don't like that single guys are the only back-up options to multiple positions.

I get you, but we rarely have more than 3 backup o-lineman in any season.  Last season was Hurst, Urschel.......and I forget the 3rd.  But it's rarely more than three in any year

[Guest]

This isn't based on what they've Already done , obviously because they are rookies or in their sophomore year, it's what their ceiling is compared to how little they effect the cap. Certainly they have a lot to prove and have to stay healthy which is why I said if things go according to plan. Buck Allen probably is the least intriguing of the 6 based on what we've seen so far, but once talioferro gets healthy I think he's in for a huge year. I also think by next year when SSS retires, perriman and Waller will be ready to take that next step. Maxx may take a year or 2 as well, but Crockett is on the cusp of becoming something special. I can smell it.

And if you wanna throw campanaro In their , he most definitely could become one of the top slot receivers in the league, and even though it's cliche to say he could become the next Wes welker or Julian Edelman.

 

I have the same feeling.

 

I think those two have what we need. And Camp in the slot, hopefully he stays glued together.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Hmmm.

Since the super bowl. The draft has awarded us

Brandon Williams (starter)

Kyle Juice(starter)

Ricky Wagner(starter)

CJ Mosley(starter, future of defense)

Timmy Jernigan(starter)

Terrance Brooks(will eventually be starter)

Crockett Gillmore(starter)

John Urschel(starting caliber player)

And Ozzie sucks right? This entire draft class is an unknown(that being said I think the first three picks were awesome).

Yup. That's a good chunk of the roster from the draft, and will keep us competiive for years to come.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

After looking at the updated depth chart, I noticed there's only 10-12 players over 30 (guessing ages) on the team. Two years ago when we won it all, we were considered "old". If I had to guess now we're probably in the top 10 of youngest teams in the league.

What's your opinion on the current youth movement taking place with the team?

I think it's great. We weren't quite as young last year but moved in the direction of youth and were contenders.

If we contend again this year then you have to love it because with such a young core of players, you have to assume they'll improve with age and experience. So in theory we'll be set for another 4-5 years of contention.

The main issue though is that we're far from young in a couple key positions.

Most importantly the pass rush. Suggs and Doom aren't getting any younger, and although I think both can play at an elite level another 2-3 years - they may start to trend downward soon and we have zero proven pass rushers behind them. It's literally those two and then rookies.

We need to hit on a pass rusher very early in the draft next year... Maybe even take 2 or 3 edge rushers. One with a top pick that's low risk - a high floor kind of guy. And then 1 or 2 developmental type guys that are raw but have big upside.

The other spot could be receiver. If Perriman doesn't become a legit #1 threat and one of Aiken, Brown, Camp and Waller don't show they can be a consistent reliable #2 we may have to spend on a FA.

But I do think Perriman is the real deal. I think Camp will become a premier slot guy. I think Waller will show potential to be a top #3, borderline #2.

So yea.... Pass rush is about it but it's a glaring hole if not infused with top talent over the next 2 drafts.

[billick]

This is what poor drafting looks like.  If we keep whiffing on first round picks, look for a major housekeeping soon.

 

Owner Steve has a billion dollar team, but it is not playing like one now.

 

We lose HOF players, and let our starters walk. Our back ups are now starting, and the result Sunday was not pretty.

 

We still have some talent, but that was not a play off team last Sunday. 

 

Who will improve what, and when ?

[FlackAttack]

we simply failed to get flacco weapons yet again, as it showed. this franchise will never be an offensive powerhouse with the current administration behind it. flat out.

 

kubiak at OC was the only good thing we had, and hes gone. trestman IS NOT the answer

Edited September 14, 2015 by FlackAttack

[redrum52]

we simply failed to get flacco weapons yet again, as it showed. this franchise will never be an offensive powerhouse with the current administration behind it. flat out.

kubiak at OC was the only good thing we had, and hes gone. trestman IS NOT the answer

4 of 5 first picks went to offense...

Maybe 4 of 6.

And weren't people questioning Kubiak last year week 1?

Edited September 14, 2015 by redrum52

[FlackAttack]

4 of 5 first picks went to offense...

Maybe 4 of 6.

 

you cant just get rid of a bunch of star players and your OC walk away, then expect to replace that in the draft with a questionable WR, a extremely young underdeveloped TE, and another TE from a small school that only blocks. And on top of that sign one of those most mediocre OC's in the league.

 

Also, still not sure about that justin forsett signing.

 

if you really think we have the offensive talent to make it the playoffs, then lol

[redrum52]

you cant just get rid of a bunch of star players and your OC walk away, then expect to replace that in the draft with a questionable WR, a extremely young underdeveloped TE, and another TE from a small school that only blocks. And on top of that sign one of those most mediocre OC's in the league.

Also, still not sure about that justin forsett signing.

if you really think we have the offensive talent to make it the playoffs, then lol

So Torrey Smith and Owen Daniels are stars now? Bet if I did some quick searching, they weren't considered stars when they "cost" us the game against the Pats.

[FlackAttack]

So Torrey Smith and Owen Daniels are stars now? Bet if I did some quick searching, they weren't considered stars when they "cost" us the game against the Pats.

 

im going back since we won super bowl. we got rid of everyone and never recovered. our offense will never be a juggernaut under our philosophy. if you really think marc trestman, breshad perriman, justin forsett, and crocket gillmore will be our O that takes us to the promise land and beyond then LOL.

Edited September 14, 2015 by FlackAttack

[January J]

im going back since we won super bowl. we got rid of everyone and never recovered. our offense will never be a juggernaut under our philosophy. if you really think marc trestman, breshad perriman, justin forsett, and crocket gillmore will be our O that takes us to the promise land and beyond then LOL.

i absolutely belive that perrriman and crockett will be our big playmakers of the future. forsett will get the job done for another year or two and talioferrro could end up being somethin special as well. we just need to get going and mesh as a unit and our offense will be great. stronger than last years. gotta be patient, the sky is not falling after week 1.

[ravensdan]

This is what poor drafting looks like. If we keep whiffing on first round picks, look for a major housekeeping soon.

Owner Steve has a billion dollar team, but it is not playing like one now.

We lose HOF players, and let our starters walk. Our back ups are now starting, and the result Sunday was not pretty.

We still have some talent, but that was not a play off team last Sunday.

Who will improve what, and when ?

Lol. You mean the top 5 defense with maybe the best young interior group in the game? Poor drafting... Funny. Also I challenge you to show me a playoff team at the end of the year that doesn't have a bad loss. You won't find one. Very myopic viewpoint.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Here we go. Downside of a youth movement is that the team is bound to have a down year. Very possible. But we need to restock.

[DomMcRaven]

Here we go. Downside of a youth movement is that the team is bound to have a down year. Very possible. But we need to restock.

Agreed, but the upside to that is that they'll learn and improve together. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

It was inevitable to have a down year this year. Our team is a lot younger than normal and the secondary is still garbage. I don't think we should fire anyone like the extremeists will say(btw.. Don't).

We're on pace for a top 10-15 pick. Fine. We'll take that. The defense just isn't good enough. I think Pees is like Cam Cameron. He helped developed some guys very well(Davis. Jernigan, Williams, Mosley). But I don't think he's good enough. I would fire him. I do like the guy, he'll get a job elsewhere(maybe in college).

Marc? Marc is not the problem. The offense started to produce in the second half in spite of a bad oline. If our defense was (Immortan Joe voice) Mediocre we'd be a playoff team.

Honestly, I actually agree with Sami. Trade SSR to a contender. Go give him to Green Bay. He deserves to go out on top and I think they can do it. And we need all the draft picks we can get...