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[Static]

Other than Jimmy Smith, are the Ravens CB's really that physical enough to play up closer to the WR's?

 

Melvin and Tray Walker are

[Purple_City39]

RB Lorenzo Taliaferro (knee) and CB Rashaan Melvin (thigh) returned for #Ravens today.

Wow, want expecting that. Everyone's healthy but Perriman. Really hope Melvin's active in the Broncos game. Webb's still a question Mark, of Melvin's active we can take Webb out immediately if things get shaky.

That's interesting.  I didn't think Taliaferro would be back for another 2 weeks or so

[Cillmatic]

That's interesting. I didn't think Taliaferro would be back for another 2 weeks or so

DON'T QUESTION IT!

Edited September 11, 2015 by Cillmatic

[BmoreBird22]

I think it is a mistake for anyone to believe that Kubiak went into Denver planning on fully implementing his offensive scheme.  Peyton is just not built for the type of offense that Kubiak likes to run, and they knew this well before Gary even landed in Denver.  Can you imagine Kubiak telling Peyton to call a play where he's going to roll out of the pocket?  Peyton would just laugh in his face and audible to a play with him in the shotgun.

 

I fully believe that Kubiak is going to run a hybrid scheme using his ZBS heavy schemes on runs and allowing Peyton to be Peyton on passing plays.  I really won't be surprised if they are SB champs come February.

To be honest, I don't think the Broncos brought in Kubiak to be the offensive coordinator for Peyton. I think they were half expecting Peyton to retire and bringing in Kubiak for Osweiler. That's just me.

[Militant X 1]

Melvin and Tray Walker are

 

Ok.  We'll have to see how that goes with them playing up close.

[Ravensfan23]

This is our first game without having a speed threat in years. We need Aiken or Waller to have the best games of their lives.

Even with Perriman all bit ruled out, i doubt Waller is active for this game. You'll probably see that 5th Safety active if Melvin is down or that last DLine spot which would be Bulikidi because you're not sure just how many snaps Timmy will be able to play.

The offense will have to rely on Aiken and Brown to covert on deep shot opportunities, with Gilmore and Maxx playing big in that 15-25 yard range.

[Ravensfan23]

That's interesting.  I didn't think Taliaferro would be back for another 2 weeks or so

He won't be game ready for another week or so. It was said(taken with a grain of salt) that the injury was minor and only be a few weeks. He was injuries in the 2nd preseason game which was about 3 weeks ago. So it makes sense he's back at practice but i wouldn't expect him to play until after the road trip.

[Denver Mike]

To be honest, I don't think the Broncos brought in Kubiak to be the offensive coordinator for Peyton. I think they were half expecting Peyton to retire and bringing in Kubiak for Osweiler. That's just me.

 

Not a bad theory. However I don't feel thats the case at all. Kubiak spent a majority of his life/career in Denver and still has a house there. He knows how Elway works and visa versa. Considering Elway played with him and for him when he won back-to-back Superbowl titles.

 

Elway knows how to win a SB with an ageing body. And the other components that go with. He's taken our D to the next level, our WR's and amped our running game. Then he brings in one of the best O-line specialists in Kubiak who has a passion for the team.

 

Regardless of our QB, I think Elway wanted him. And he knows that both Peyton and Kubiak are veteran pros. They will co-exist if they want the ring. 

 

/twocents

[rmcjacket23]

To be honest, I don't think the Broncos brought in Kubiak to be the offensive coordinator for Peyton. I think they were half expecting Peyton to retire and bringing in Kubiak for Osweiler. That's just me.

Sure, but I don't think they ever expected Peyton to retire THIS SEASON. 2-3 years from now... sure.

[BmoreBird22]

Not a bad theory. However I don't feel thats the case at all. Kubiak spent a majority of his life/career in Denver and still has a house there. He knows how Elway works and visa versa. Considering Elway played with him and for him when he won back-to-back Superbowl titles.

 

Elway knows how to win a SB with an ageing body. And the other components that go with. He's taken our D to the next level, our WR's and amped our running game. Then he brings in one of the best O-line specialists in Kubiak who has a passion for the team.

 

Regardless of our QB, I think Elway wanted him. And he knows that both Peyton and Kubiak are veteran pros. They will co-exist if they want the ring. 

 

/twocents

What just gets me is that Fox had a pretty strong record. No, he hadn't won that Super Bowl yet, but he was at least really close and competitive for three years in a row. I mean I guess you could argue Peyton inflated his record, but Peyton didn't retire. Plus, with Gase, there was an offensive coordinator who took Peyton's game to the next level, if that was even possible.

 

With Kubiak, you bring in an entire new scheme when there was uncertainty surrounding Peyton even returning. Would it have made sense to have fired the old regime if Peyton was 100% returning? Probably not because why introduce an entirely new scheme, and one that doesn't exactly fit Manning, for Manning's final year?

Kubiak would have been all but available the very next year. I truly believe the only team Kubiak would have left Baltimore for was Denver, so he's the Ravens OC for the second year in a row, but then he leaves for Denver when Manning retires and when the coaches are ready to start over fresh with a new quarterback and new coaching staff that fits this particular quarterback better.

 

I also really think it says a lot that Manning was asked to take a $4M pay cut. I know we could say that's Peyton being a team player and what not, but that also speaks volumes to the fact that Elway probably doesn't see him doing nearly as well this year as the last, especially with Kubiak. 

That's just how I view it.

[Ravensfan23]

To be honest, I don't think the Broncos brought in Kubiak to be the offensive coordinator for Peyton. I think they were half expecting Peyton to retire and bringing in Kubiak for Osweiler. That's just me.

I could be wrong but weren't there trade rumors about Peyton once Kubes got there? If the Broncos are smart which i think they are, you make Peyton adjust to the "teams" system because you plan on Kubes and those other players being there well after this year, while Peyton is just a rental at this point.

However Kubes is smart enough to tweak his offense enough to fit the things Peyton likes into the offense.

Absolutely...  and that's where I believe it puts them at a disadvantage...  Just my opinion...  but seems like you are then running a morphed scheme...  that neither party (Kubiak or Manning) knows or even does what the other is planning.

Couldn't agree more. If i'm a Broncos fans my concern is about what's the offensive philosophy. When everything is going well there won't be an issue. It's in that critical moment of the game when your maybe down by 14 midways the 3rd quarter and the team needs to lean on their philosophy to calm the noise around them and get some sense of control back. What do they do? Does Kubes have enough of an relationship built up with Peyton to trust him in that moment? Or will he fall back into the same habits his coaching staff is familiar with to win games. It's interesting to me.

We saw it last night with both teams. When the Pats needed to really get going they leaned on Gronk and that offense got going. Even though Pit was having success offensively, when the pressure of the game climbed on their backs early in the 4th quarter, they didn't have their stabilizer in Bell to lean on and Ben threw that foolish pick. If and when the Broncos need to stabilize things, who's comfort zone will they turn to Kubes or Peyton's?

[BmoreBird22]

I could be wrong but weren't there trade rumors about Peyton once Kubes got there? If the Broncos are smart which i think they are, you make Peyton adjust to the "teams" system because you plan on Kubes and those other players being there well after this year, while Peyton is just a rental at this point.

However Kubes is smart enough to tweak his offense enough to fit the things Peyton likes into the offense.

Wasn't it like Peyton to the Texans?

[Denver Mike]

You give Fox and Gase waay too much credit. Though I agree with what you're thinking on the outside looking in. You know significantly more about your franchise than I do.

 

In Denver' I've seen Foxy and Gase. Fox is a darn good football coach and I wish him well. But he won't be winning a Superbowl in this generation of football. Look at the talent this team has had and we were under prepared for the SuperBowl. With him we had a lot of team arrests and partying incidents whereas even though its not a coaching problem its a severe lack of discipline.

 

Jack Del Rio left us to coach the Raiders due to lack of discipline. Fox was the Grandpa who spoils your kid. 

 

Gase on the other-hand makes me vomit. He didn't take Peyton to a new level, Peyton audibled half his own plays. Gase's offense was destroyed by 35 points in the Superbowl. I am much happier with Kubiak's offensive system he has planned for us over Gase's bar none.

[Denver Mike]

Thats all fanfiction.

 

 

Peyton Manning has a no-trade clause in his contract. Elway knows it, the whole FO knows it. It was part of his terms when signed.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

To be honest, I don't think the Broncos brought in Kubiak to be the offensive coordinator for Peyton. I think they were half expecting Peyton to retire and bringing in Kubiak for Osweiler. That's just me.

 

Yep I 100% agree with you.  I'm surprised that they got rid of John Fox when their offense was on fire for every year that Peyton has been on the team, but I think they assume Manning will retire next year and wanted some continuity with Kubiak already over there.

 

This isn't saying that a Kubiak scheme w/ Manning under center isn't going to work, just that the Broncos are looking to the future with Kubiak as their HC with a backup QB on the roster that is a far better fit for running a full on Kubes west coast scheme.

[FerrariFan87]

Anyone else find it curious that the NFL is playing games this Sunday, especially the Sunday Night game, even though it's Rosh Hashanah? I mean, isn't that why the Ravens were stripped of their Home kickoff party two years ago and forced to open in Denver?

[BmoreBird22]

You give Fox and Gase waay too much credit. Though I agree with what you're thinking on the outside looking in. You know significantly more about your franchise than I do.

 

In Denver' I've seen Foxy and Gase. Fox is a darn good football coach and I wish him well. But he won't be winning a Superbowl in this generation of football. Look at the talent this team has had and we were under prepared for the SuperBowl. With him we had a lot of team arrests and partying incidents whereas even though its not a coaching problem its a severe lack of discipline.

 

Jack Del Rio left us to coach the Raiders due to lack of discipline. Fox was the Grandpa who spoils your kid. 

 

Gase on the other-hand makes me vomit. He didn't take Peyton to a new level, Peyton audibled half his own plays. Gase's offense was destroyed by 35 points in the Superbowl. I am much happier with Kubiak's offensive system he has planned for us over Gase's bar none.

I don't think Fox was particularly great. He was a defensive minded coach with quite a bit of talent and his defense in the last year wasn't particularly great, if I remember correctly. 

 

And Gase gave Peyton the reigns, something I don't see Kubiak doing. I mean, even if Gase had most of his plays audibled, Kubiak seems to really like things done his way. Not to mention that Gase has no issue running Manning in a three wide shotgun set like 95% of the time, whereas Kubiak will be asking a 39 year old with an iffy interior offensive line to make three, five, and seven step drops. 

 

I just don't see the advantage to getting Kubiak now unless the plan is to have Manning be a game manager instead of the game changer. I mean, again, they're breaking continuity for the sake of having a new coach? I just don't see this working out extremely well this particular year, or as well as some may expect.

Edited September 11, 2015 by BmoreBird22

[ravensdfan]

Other than Jimmy Smith, are the Ravens CB's really that physical enough to play up closer to the WR's?

Not sure actually but we've already seen what happens when they play 10 yds off in the playoffs last season. Zone and off man is fine - just not the large cushions Pees gives.

[BmoreBird22]

Anyone else find it curious that the NFL is playing games this Sunday, especially the Sunday Night game, even though it's Rosh Hashanah? I mean, isn't that why the Ravens were stripped of their Home kickoff party two years ago and forced to open in Denver?

What it was is that the Orioles wouldn't shift their game (they didn't have to), so the parking wasn't going to happen, but the NFL refused to remove it for that holiday, even though the NFL had played many games on that holiday in year's past. I believe the Giants did. 

[nyc9192]

The way the Seahawks beat the Broncos was by pressing, if pees is a smart DC he'll copy them.

After watching pees schemes from his time in bmore, im convinced he doesn't know what jammin the receiver is.

[Cillmatic]

Timmy and Melvin listed as DOUBTFUL. Craptastic.

[Smothy]

Injury report via Ravens Twitter: Perriman and Taliaferro are OUT, Jernigan and Melvin are doubtful.

[January J]

Wow did not expect tali to be back at practice this soon. Anyone think there's a chance he suits up? I highly doubt it, but he could be used strictly in goal line situations. Having him and Jernigan back certainly gives us a boost, but it's also risky. Not sure if id want them to go or not, because this game is pretty huge but the season is a marathon. Ultimately I think id leave it up to Lorenzo and Timmy.

[January J]

Injury report via Ravens Twitter: Perriman and Taliaferro are OUT, Jernigan and Melvin are doubtful.

well that answers that.

[Ravensfan23]

Not sure actually but we've already seen what happens when they play 10 yds off in the playoffs last season. Zone and off man is fine - just not the large cushions Pees gives.

Pees doesn't assign coverage techniques on a play. He gives his players the freedom to play to their comfort level. If you go back and watch Ravens Wired from the Pats game you see Spagz on the sidelines asking his DBs are they sacred of the Pats WRs because they werw playing so far off. He said if they don't get up on the WRs Pees would be forced to play zone all night.

[izvoodoo]

Anyone else find it curious that the NFL is playing games this Sunday, especially the Sunday Night game, even though it's Rosh Hashanah? I mean, isn't that why the Ravens were stripped of their Home kickoff party two years ago and forced to open in Denver?

I found that weird at the time. Not to be disrespectful to someone's religious practice, but I didn't think a single NFL game was going to be that disruptive to observing Rosh Hashanah.  But hey, better safe than sorry

Edited September 11, 2015 by izvoodoo

[BmoreBird22]

Sure, but I don't think they ever expected Peyton to retire THIS SEASON. 2-3 years from now... sure.

He's 39 and showed significant signs of decline with his arm toward the end of last season. He had a bum hamstring last season, can't feel his fingers, and had major neck surgery a few years ago that is likely taking its toll on his strength. I can't even imagine why they'd think he would have retired last season.

[jazz1988]

After watching pees schemes from his time in bmore, im convinced he doesn't know what jammin the receiver is.

 

But he actually has asked his cornerbacks to jam receivers especially Jimmy Smith. I have seen many of times where Jimmy Smith jam receivers or was using press man coverage on receivers. last year it didn't really make sense for The Ravens cornerbacks to use press man coverage because none of thems were a good fit for it and you have to be good  at it or risk being beat pretty bad.

[BmoreBird22]

Timmy and Melvin listed as DOUBTFUL. Craptastic.

Apparently Timmy is eyeing this game (some article on ESPN). I can see him playing, it's just a matter of how much

[Ravenseconbeast]

Other than Jimmy Smith, are the Ravens CB's really that physical enough to play up closer to the WR's?

It's not Pees, we just don't have the luxury of playing aggressively.

Jimmy is good. Then you have 'the rest'. The 'rest' includes Webb...