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Soooo I guess I am starting the next up thread all of a sudden?

The mods can delete / lock this one and start an official thread. Or just let this one be so I can feel important for a week.

Anyway, I am predicting a loss for our season opener. Nothing brutal. Ten or less. I just dont have the highest confidence in our defense against Peyton.

Granted I have little to go on since it is game one.

I would be thrilled to be wrong.

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Alot of this depends on who will be active on gameday, esp. Jernigan. We will win fairly easily, wont be a cakewalk but we will keep manning on his back and force him into some bad decisions. He will throw 2 interceptions and possibly a pick 6. Expect the offense to come out firing on all cylinders.

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Broncos will win this game by at least a touchdown. our team is obviously not ready to start the regular season, and on top of that the game is mile high in denver. it will be a grinder and may be close in the first half, but just dont see us going up there and pulling off win. we will have a good season but this game we lose. bring on the haters/ purple shaders.

 

Broncos 27

Ravens 20

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Alot of this depends on who will be active on gameday, esp. Jernigan. We will win fairly easily, wont be a cakewalk but we will keep manning on his back and force him into some bad decisions. He will throw 2 interceptions and possibly a pick 6. Expect the offense to come out firing on all cylinders.

 

i dont see jernigan being a deciding factor in this game.

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Honestly don't know what to expect with this game, I think it really comes down to whether we can get pressure on Peyton or not. I think our offense will be okay, don't see a ton of points from them though as Denver is a good defense so the defense is going to need to make up for that. Now Peyton did struggle at the end of the year last year and in the playoffs and I am not buying all of that being injury related but at the same time, it is September and he will more than likely be fresh. But that doesn't matter if we get him under pressure. As much as I have not been a fan of our run defense in the preseason, I think we should be okay there with the starters in although Jernigan is a question mark on that front. 

 

A bit jumbled there in my thoughts but basically my 2 keys for this game will be establishing the run on offense and getting pressure on Peyton. If we do both we should be in a good situation and if not, then things will be a bit tougher.

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I can't call this one. After reading about some of the issues with Denver grasping the new offense, I think this game is a toss up. If I was a gambling man, I would take the Ravens to cover.

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I'm always nervous for all our games simply because this is a league of extraordinary parity. A few things during the course of a game typically determine the outcomes of these games. I hope those things fall on our side of the ledger throughout this season, especially in Denver! Go Ravens.

 

While everybody knows the preseason is not a good indicator of a team, the way our backups performed makes me nervous, if I have to be totally honest. Then again, what do I know?

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Someone other than SSS has to make a splash and be a force in the field. I've yet to see anything from Aiken,camp,Marlon to say they will be 'somebody' other than a 3rd stringer role player next year when SSS is gone.

Our secondary also has to find a way to keep the receivers on lock down if we are on the lead.

I have a really bad feeling about our dbs. If our db did not find a way to get better than from last year's disastrous 14pt flop than some of them need to be canned and bring in someone who can be serviceable.

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Honestly don't know what to expect with this game, I think it really comes down to whether we can get pressure on Peyton or not. I think our offense will be okay, don't see a ton of points from them though as Denver is a good defense so the defense is going to need to make up for that. Now Peyton did struggle at the end of the year last year and in the playoffs and I am not buying all of that being injury related but at the same time, it is September and he will more than likely be fresh. But that doesn't matter if we get him under pressure. As much as I have not been a fan of our run defense in the preseason, I think we should be okay there with the starters in although Jernigan is a question mark on that front. 

 

A bit jumbled there in my thoughts but basically my 2 keys for this game will be establishing the run on offense and getting pressure on Peyton. If we do both we should be in a good situation and if not, then things will be a bit tougher.

Kubiak is there now, so I think the key to getting to Peyton will be to stop the run first. This is where the Ravens had some trouble during preseason so The DL should expect to be thoroughly tested early. The defense will need to get Peyton into a third and long situation because he is a master of short yardage throws.

 

The Ravens will likely be expected to try the same; establish the run and keep Denver's Von Miller in check.

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Generally not a pessimist, but I don't think we play well at all on either side. Perhaps we make a valiant effort to come back late, but it'll be too late.

Denver - 27

Ravens - 17

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Alot of this depends on who will be active on gameday, esp. Jernigan. We will win fairly easily, wont be a cakewalk but we will keep manning on his back and force him into some bad decisions. He will throw 2 interceptions and possibly a pick 6. Expect the offense to come out firing on all cylinders.

I pretty much expect the exact opposite to happen.

 

Brutal first game for an offense with so many question marks. They've got an elite-level secondary, they can get to the QB, and they're pretty consistently good against the run. I fully expect points to be very, very, very difficult for our offense to come by in this game.

 

While I think we can get pressure on Manning, I expect the Broncos to be far more balanced this season, and that will help out their Oline. We've seen teams having a tough time getting to Manning in previous seasons, and he really hasn't had a great Oline in Denver for a few years now. He gets the ball out quick, as the offense is designed that way, and I expect that to continue. You get maybe 2 seconds to get pressure on him, and ideally it would come from up the middle, which is where we struggle.

 

Don't see many (if any) scenarios where we win this game comfortably. If we win (which I ultimately don't think we will), it will be close and probably low scoring.

 

I think we will be a better team than Denver by November/December, but I don't think we are right now.

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Generally not a pessimist, but I don't think we play well at all on either side. Perhaps we make a valiant effort to come back late, but it'll be too late.

Denver - 27

Ravens - 17

Pretty much agree with this. Just don't see many methods by which we score the points necessary to win this game on the road.

 

Think our defense might be a bit better than people are expecting, probably holding Denver into the low to mid 20s, but I think our offense scoring 20 points is going to be quite the challenge this week.

 

Pending some late developments, I'll take Denver 23-13.

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The Broncos offense is struggling with the new scheme.  Peyton is struggling under center compared to out the shotgun where he's most comfortable.  They have a rookie LT.  Peyton's been sacked more this past preseason, because of all the snaps under center and the iffy o-line, than most can ever remember

 

If Jernigan is healthy and Suggs and Doom can properly take advantage of the rookie LT, this will be a long game for Peyton and their offense.  On the other side, their safety is suspended and the other starter is Darian Stewart.  Our TEs and slot receivers should have a field day.  Send Waller deep a few times, whether as a distraction or target, work the middle and underneath and we should be fine.  If whoever the #2 receiver is actually shows up, I think we win this game comfortably (this doesn't mean I think we'll crush them).

 

I rarely predict Peyton to lose to us as he's owned Baltimore, but we should win this game pending injuries. 

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The Ravens are going to need unproven players to step up big time to win this game. Harris Jr. will probably follow SSS all over. So we will need the running game and our 2/3 WR and TE's to win the game. If Flacco isn't on and decides to have one of his regular season games where he plays like a bottom 5 QB, this game will get ugly.

On defense, if we don't get pressure on the QB, it will be a long game. Jernigan is expected to moss this game, which will not help. D Thomas will hopefully be neutralized by Jimmy. I'm not very confident in Arrington being able to stop E. Sanders. It will be nice to see where our run D stands for this game. We had some moments when we were gashed in the preseason.

All in all, I don't have a good feeling about this game. As it stands now, I feel like we our worse on O than we were last year with the D about on the same level. I'm predicting Broncos 31 Ravens 21

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If the Ravens play a clean game. By clean, I mean:

- Don't turn the ball over

-Don't make rediculous decisions or take dumb penalties on special teams

-Don't give Peyton extra downs via penalties on defense.

- tackle the way you've been taught since childhood

If they do all of that, it will be a very close game that I think they can win because I think that they will be able to run the ball and stop the run better than Denver.

However, if they come out there and don't tackle, commit atrocious penalties, and turn the ball over, it becomes a shootout and It's hard to bet against Peyton in that scenario.

I think that our defense should be able to hold up as long as the offense can move the ball and pick up 1st downs.

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The Broncos offense is struggling with the new scheme.  Peyton is struggling under center compared to out the shotgun where he's most comfortable.  They have a rookie LT.  Peyton's been sacked more this past preseason, because of all the snaps under center and the iffy o-line, than most can ever remember

 

If Jernigan is healthy and Suggs and Doom can properly take advantage of the rookie LT, this will be a long game for Peyton and their offense.  On the other side, their safety is suspended and the other starter is Darian Stewart.  Our TEs and slot receivers should have a field day.  Send Waller deep a few times, whether as a distraction or target, work the middle and underneath and we should be fine.  If whoever the #2 receiver is actually shows up, I think we win this game comfortably (this doesn't mean I think we'll crush them).

 

I rarely predict Peyton to lose to us as he's owned Baltimore, but we should win this game pending injuries. 

Peyton spent most of his career under center in Indy. The "he's not comfortable there" theory that most people have is way, way, way overblown, and most people are going to find this out. I have no doubt you'll see plenty of play action (which will work this year, because they're going to run the ball a lot more), and you'll see plenty of 3 and 5 step drops, thus reducing how long he's holding the ball. He was already getting the ball out very quick in the past, and that will only continue under Kubiak.

 

If we can stop the run consistently (which is actually somewhat of a question mark this season), then we could perform well defensively. If they remain balanced and productive, we are doomed I think.

 

The biggest problem is scoring points, which I think we will find to be very difficult. Their secondary is outstanding with or without a box safety (who plays more in run coverage than pass coverage), and they can probably play man coverage on our receivers quite easily. That means plenty of 7 man boxes to stop the run.

 

I expect it to be relatively low scoring, which I think is a problem for us in this game.

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Pretty much agree with this. Just don't see many methods by which we score the points necessary to win this game on the road.

Think our defense might be a bit better than people are expecting, probably holding Denver into the low to mid 20s, but I think our offense scoring 20 points is going to be quite the challenge this week.

Pending some late developments, I'll take Denver 23-13.

Yuck, we're not supposed to agree on things. It'll mess with the gravitational pull on Earth and could mean the end of the world as we know it.

I now say Ravens win 78-4 ;)

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Peyton spent most of his career under center in Indy. The "he's not comfortable there" theory that most people have is way, way, way overblown, and most people are going to find this out. I have no doubt you'll see plenty of play action (which will work this year, because they're going to run the ball a lot more), and you'll see plenty of 3 and 5 step drops, thus reducing how long he's holding the ball. He was already getting the ball out very quick in the past, and that will only continue under Kubiak.

Never said Peyton wasn't comfortable under center.  I said he was more comfortable from the shotgun.

 

And I think some people are overrating their defense against us.  Look through Joe's history, the offense isn't guaranteed to flop just because they face a top defense.  During the 2012 playoff run, Denver's defense was ranked 3rd in yards and points allowed.  They were good in 2013 also.  The defense giving up 7 TDs doesn't overlook the fact the offense with nobody's at WR almost scored 30.  Even against the Patriots who's secondary and defense were great last season, we'd have put up 35 if Daniels holds on to the ball.  That's with 2 INTs and with basically the exact same offensive players (Gilmore in for Daniels).  Y'all are either underestimating this offense and/or overestimating that defense

 

EDIT: And of course no Torrey but he didn't do much against New England, except be the target for both INTs

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Never said Peyton wasn't comfortable under center.  I said he was more comfortable from the shotgun.

 

And I think some people are overrating their defense against us.  Look through Joe's history, the offense isn't guaranteed to flop just because they face a top defense.  During the 2012 playoff run, Denver's defense was ranked 3rd in yards and points allowed.  They were good in 2013 also.  The defense giving up 7 TDs doesn't overlook the fact the offense with nobody's at WR almost scored 30.  Even against the Patriots who's secondary and defense were great last season, we'd have put up 35 if Daniels holds on to the ball.  That's with 2 INTs and with basically the exact same offensive players (Gilmore in for Daniels).  Y'all are either underestimating this offense and/or overestimating that defense

LOL, I could care less about what we did to them in 2012 or 2013, because it has zero possible effect on the 2015 

Baltimore Ravens game with the Denver Broncos. Offensive players have changed dramatically, schemes have changed dramatically, coordinators have changed dramatically, etc. And needless to say, the defensive players on their side of the ball have changed dramatically.

 

Perhaps I'm doing both, but I severely doubt it. I think we are envisioning what we WILL be, not what we ARE. I said very specifically that I think by December we will be a better team than Denver. The problem is... this isn't December and we aren't playing them in December. We are playing them week 1 in September in Denver. Based on what I've seen from these two teams so far in 2015, I made an assessment.

 

I'm not interested in looking years in the past to somehow predict future success in a sport with dramatic annual turnover.

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This game could definitely go either way.  Kubiak's scheme relies fairly heavily on the ground game, and because of injuries Denver's offensive line is pretty crap right now.  If we're able to stop the run, get pressure on Peyton and not allow them to dink and dunk their way down the field, I think we have a decent shot at winning.  That being said, I'm not really convinced that our secondary is good enough to stop quick passes from Manning, regardless of who he's throwing to.

 

Denver's defense, on the other hand, is pretty beastly.  They have a dominant pass rush with a very good secondary.  We need to establish the run game and use that, plus quick passes, in order to move down the field.

 

Wouldn't be surpised if this was a relatively low scoring game.  17 - 13 Ravens.

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LOL, I could care less about what we did to them in 2012 or 2013, because it has zero possible effect on the 2015 

Baltimore Ravens game with the Denver Broncos. Offensive players have changed dramatically, schemes have changed dramatically, coordinators have changed dramatically, etc. And needless to say, the defensive players on their side of the ball have changed dramatically.

 

Perhaps I'm doing both, but I severely doubt it. I think we are envisioning what we WILL be, not what we ARE. I said very specifically that I think by December we will be a better team than Denver. The problem is... this isn't December and we aren't playing them in December. We are playing them week 1 in September in Denver. Based on what I've seen from these two teams so far in 2015, I made an assessment.

 

I'm not interested in looking years in the past to somehow predict future success in a sport with dramatic annual turnover.

No where did I say that past games have an impact on this game.  My point is, all the "their defense looks good so we'll definitely struggle" talk is misplaced as we've have a QB who, as you've pointed out, has had drastically different players, OCs, schemes, etc over the years and still manages to do well against top defenses more often than not.

 

For as much as some think our offense isn't ready due to preseason, the same applies to Denver's offense.  Of course if anybody gives Denver/Peyton credit for past performances then the same should be done for Baltimore/Joe. 

 

In the end, I think our d-line dominates their o-line much more than their d-line dominates our o-line.  I think our secondary as a whole will be better depending on the #2 CB (that person will make or break the unit).  Our LBs are also better.  Their receivers are better but with Peyton struggling like he is and their o-line looking as bad as it has, it may not matter

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Peyton Manning transitioning to Gary Kubiak's offense is really being overlooked just because he played under center in Indy (I thought past seasons had no bearing on this one?). The issue with transitioning to this offense is that under center, Manning has less vision of the defensive coverages and has to make three, five, or seven step drop backs before he'll actually pass the ball, as opposed to the shotgun which allows Peyton Manning to instantly be in his passing stance and instantly survey the entire field. This doesn't even take into account that Manning is 39 and not fleet of foot, so drop backs aren't going to be boom-boom-boom. He won't be getting the ball out in his record 2.24 seconds anymore. When he's under center, he'll be holding onto the ball more.

Also, how bad that offensive line is can't be understated. The Denver Broncos transitioned to a pretty heavy running game last year under John Fox (which will only continue under Kubiak), but one has to wonder why when you have Peyton Manning. Maybe it's because that offensive line is porous and Manning didn't have faith in their pass blocking. Now the Broncos are out Ryan Clady, Chris Clark, Will Montgomery, Orlando Franklin, and Manny Ramirez. Sure, they picked up a 33 year old Evan Mathis who got cut by the Eagles (and sat on the market for a reason) who has yet to play a snap in Kubiak's offense or gain chemistry with his offensive line (this is vastly understated). Not to mention he'll be sandwiched between two rookies. That would make me giddy if I were Manning. Did no one else notice that in the Broncos-49ers game, the three sacks the 49ers got came from Manning being under center and two were A-gap blitzes by Bowman. The 49ers realized that Manning isn't quick in his drop backs and that the offensive line is porous and attacked it right up the middle. 

This doesn't even take into account that Peyton's neck is shot and he apparently can't feel his fingers in his right hand. He doesn't have the same zip or velocity and he's been under throwing balls by a wide margin in preseason. Is that some sort of ploy for teams to underestimate him? I doubt it. He just is losing his arm strength and he refuses to retire like he needs to. Now he'll likely be under constant duress and we're supposed to believe his arm will hold up? Even in this first game, his arm is not what it was seasons ago and it's going to get worse if Suggs, Dumervil, Upshaw, Jernigan, Williams, Mosley, Smith, or any of them get to Manning like they should be able to. 

 

Defensively, sure, they have an amazing pass rush with Miller, Ware, and Jackson and an amazing secondary with Harris Jr. and Talib, but that'll change quickly when the pass rush is forced to respect the run. The Broncos have a porous run defense with Williams and Smith being starters and then their inside linebackers are a hole in the middle of the defense. Ward might not be an amazing pass defender, but he's an enforcer and great run defender that helps to make up for that porous middle of the defense. If Forsett starts going, that only slows the pass rush. Plus, Gilmore and Williams should have huge games against their non-existent inside linebackers, Stewart, and Bolden, a career special teamer. 

 

Now, that's not to say that I think the Ravens are some perfect team that will steamroll the Broncos. They do have a lot of concerns, such as how will Rick Wagner and Eugene Monroe hold up against the pass rush coming off of injuries? How will Jimmy look coming off of injury? Will Webb/Arrington be able to slow down Emmanuel Sanders (who should supposedly be healthy coming off a hamstring injury). Will the Ravens have enough pass catchers outside of Steve Smith to combat Talib and Roby? 

I'm just saying that a lot of people are REALLY overrating the Broncos. 

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No where did I say that past games have an impact on this game.  My point is, all the "their defense looks good so we'll definitely struggle" talk is misplaced as we've have a QB who, as you've pointed out, has had drastically different players, OCs, schemes, etc over the years and still manages to do well against top defenses more often than not.

 

For as much as some think our offense isn't ready due to preseason, the same applies to Denver's offense.  Of course if anybody gives Denver/Peyton credit for past performances then the same should be done for Baltimore/Joe. 

 

In the end, I think our d-line dominates their o-line much more than their d-line dominates our o-line.  I think our secondary as a whole will be better depending on the #2 CB (that person will make or break the unit).  Our LBs are also better.  Their receivers are better but with Peyton struggling like he is and their o-line looking as bad as it has, it may not matter

In the postseason? Yes. In the regular season? No.

 

But remember... September Joe and January Joe are still very, very, very different players. There are not very many examples previously where Joe performs very well against great defenses in the regular season.

 

I don't base anything on the preseason at all. I base it on the fact that there's one single receiver on our team that has at least shown at some point that he can play well against a high quality secondary. I can't say that for any other receiver or TE on this team, hence why I think points become a problem.

 

I've seen what Denver's offense can do with a good Oline and with a bad Oline, and the latter has still consistently put up 25 PPG, regardless of the defense they are playing. I certainly don't buy the media hype of Peyton all of the sudden becoming something he's never been, which is a bad regular season QB, simply because he wasn't very good in December/January last season (not coincidentally right around injury time). I think he will look just as good as we saw him look the last 2-3 years when he didn't struggle much with our defense, and I'm not nearly as concerned as everyone else with their offensive line. Offensive lines can be a problem in the long run, but there's a lot of really good QBs (which Peyton certainly is) with pretty bad Olines that somehow find ways to make deep runs in the playoffs every year, and I don't think Denver is much different than those teams.

 

I think we are better up front than them on both sides of the ball, and I think they are better on the back end and very much better on offense, hence why I picked them to win.

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Peyton Manning transitioning to Gary Kubiak's offense is really being overlooked just because he played under center in Indy (I thought past seasons had no bearing on this one?). The issue with transitioning to this offense is that under center, Manning has less vision of the defensive coverages and has to make three, five, or seven step drop backs before he'll actually pass the ball, as opposed to the shotgun which allows Peyton Manning to instantly be in his passing stance and instantly survey the entire field. This doesn't even take into account that Manning is 39 and not fleet of foot, so drop backs aren't going to be boom-boom-boom. He won't be getting the ball out in his record 2.24 seconds anymore. When he's under center, he'll be holding onto the ball more.

Also, how bad that offensive line is can't be understated. The Denver Broncos transitioned to a pretty heavy running game last year under John Fox (which will only continue under Kubiak), but one has to wonder why when you have Peyton Manning. Maybe it's because that offensive line is porous and Manning didn't have faith in their pass blocking. Now the Broncos are out Ryan Clady, Chris Clark, Will Montgomery, Orlando Franklin, and Manny Ramirez. Sure, they picked up a 33 year old Evan Mathis who got cut by the Eagles (and sat on the market for a reason) who has yet to play a snap in Kubiak's offense or gain chemistry with his offensive line (this is vastly understated). Not to mention he'll be sandwiched between two rookies. That would make me giddy if I were Manning. Did no one else notice that in the Broncos-49ers game, the three sacks the 49ers got came from Manning being under center and two were A-gap blitzes by Bowman. The 49ers realized that Manning isn't quick in his drop backs and that the offensive line is porous and attacked it right up the middle. 

This doesn't even take into account that Peyton's neck is shot and he apparently can't feel his fingers in his right hand. He doesn't have the same zip or velocity and he's been under throwing balls by a wide margin in preseason. Is that some sort of ploy for teams to underestimate him? I doubt it. He just is losing his arm strength and he refuses to retire like he needs to. Now he'll likely be under constant duress and we're supposed to believe his arm will hold up? Even in this first game, his arm is not what it was seasons ago and it's going to get worse if Suggs, Dumervil, Upshaw, Jernigan, Williams, Mosley, Smith, or any of them get to Manning like they should be able to. 

 

Defensively, sure, they have an amazing pass rush with Miller, Ware, and Jackson and an amazing secondary with Harris Jr. and Talib, but that'll change quickly when the pass rush is forced to respect the run. The Broncos have a porous run defense with Williams and Smith being starters and then their inside linebackers are a hole in the middle of the defense. Ward might not be an amazing pass defender, but he's an enforcer and great run defender that helps to make up for that porous middle of the defense. If Forsett starts going, that only slows the pass rush. Plus, Gilmore and Williams should have huge games against their non-existent inside linebackers, Stewart, and Bolden, a career special teamer. 

 

Now, that's not to say that I think the Ravens are some perfect team that will steamroll the Broncos. They do have a lot of concerns, such as how will Rick Wagner and Eugene Monroe hold up against the pass rush coming off of injuries? How will Jimmy look coming off of injury? Will Webb/Arrington be able to slow down Emmanuel Sanders (who should supposedly be healthy coming off a hamstring injury). Will the Ravens have enough pass catchers outside of Steve Smith to combat Talib and Roby? 

I'm just saying that a lot of people are REALLY overrating the Broncos. 

Overreacting the Broncos in terms of what? A single football game or the whole season? Those are two different arguments right now...

 

As it were, in my opinion, Denver is probably the most balanced and well-rounded team on paper in the entire AFC. Paper doesn't mean much starting Sunday, but I don't see any team in the AFC that has the quality of offense and defense they have on the same team.

 

I think they're in a much better position this season than they were last season, and in a wide open conference with a lot of teams with major question marks (ours included), that's pretty important.

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Kubiak is there now, so I think the key to getting to Peyton will be to stop the run first. This is where the Ravens had some trouble during preseason so The DL should expect to be thoroughly tested early. The defense will need to get Peyton into a third and long situation because he is a master of short yardage throws.

 

The Ravens will likely be expected to try the same; establish the run and keep Denver's Von Miller in check.

 

I'm not really sure if Kubiak will be running the same style of offense. I'm sure he still want's to run the ball but I have to think it's still going to be a offense that suits Peyton Manning.. I think it will be wise for The Ravens to expect some Gary Kubiak and Peyton Manning type combination when it comes to the offensive scheme.

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