Second Impression of Breshad Perriman

[PurpleCity5]

outside of CJ mosley we have drafted a grand total of

0 pro bowlers or all pros since 2009

you could say we have had solid draft picks but nothing special. Mosely has been the first in half a decade

Yet we continue to win games.

[ravensnick]

outside of CJ mosley we have drafted a grand total of 

 

0 pro bowlers or all pros since 2009

 

 

you could say we have had solid draft picks but nothing special. Mosely has been the first in half a decade

We had a lot of solid talent that played a role. See: Paul Kruger and Pernell McPhee. Who cares about how many pro bowls we have? KC lead the league in pro bowlers the year they went 2-14.

Edited May 10, 2015 by ravensnick

[Sami84]

Yet we continue to win games.

 

its FA and some of the old timers.

 

guys like suggs yanda ngata doom daryl smith etc

 

thats why i prefer FA..you know what you are getting

Edited May 10, 2015 by Sami84

[ravensnick]

true..im just saying though on average out of 8 picks 5-6 will not really have too much of an impact on the organization.

 

so thats why with perriman i have singled him out as one of the guys who will not really live up to his first round status,

And usually those are the guys rounds 4-7, but for us, Ozzie drafts really well in the late rounds.

Edited May 10, 2015 by ravensnick

[D-Rey]

true..im just saying though on average out of 8 picks 5-6 will not really have too much of an impact on the organization.

 

so thats why with perriman i have singled him out as one of the guys who will not really live up to his first round status,

You writing a guy off with out giving him a chance. You don't mention any of his positive traits. You're usually a debby downer around here, you don't have many positive things to say about the team. Most picks for any teams don't pan out. The truth is, we've been more successful with our picks than most teams.

[Sami84]

You writing a guy off with out giving him a chance. You don't mention any of his positive traits. You're usually a debby downer around here, you don't have many positive things to say about the team. Most picks for any teams don't pan out. The truth is, we've been more successful with our picks than most teams.

 

im not writing him off..this isn't an elam situation like i said..

 

what concerns me is his tracking ability and his movement and his ability to outsmart a cornerback. Will he make plays? yup..but will he be that guy who you would give a second contract to? I don't know..for me..the most important quality in a receiver is his movement savvyness. Mike Wallace is faster than antonio brown by a long shot..but why isn't he even close to his calibre? Movement ..savvy shifts and turns

 

i don't see that in perriman.

[ravensnick]

im not writing him off..this isn't an elam situation like i said..

 

what concerns me is his tracking ability and his movement and his ability to outsmart a cornerback. Will he make plays? yup..but will he be that guy who you would give a second contract to? I don't know..for me..the most important quality in a receiver is his movement savvyness. Mike Wallace is faster than antonio brown by a long shot..but why isn't he even close to his calibre? Movement ..savvy shifts and turns

 

i don't see that in perriman.

If Perriman ends up be Mike Wallace, that's fine by me. Wallace was worth a 1st for the steeler for what he contributed. 

[Purple_City39]

outside of CJ mosley we have drafted a grand total of 

 

0 pro bowlers or all pros since 2009

 

 

you could say we have had solid draft picks but nothing special. Mosely has been the first in half a decade

Always hated the probowlers argument.

 

J.Smith

L.Webb

T.Smith

P.McPhee

T.Jernigan

B.Williams

D.Pitta

C.Upshaw

K.Osemele

K.Juszczyk

R.Wagner

J.Urschel

P.Kruger

A.Jones

J.Tucker

 

Not a probowler in the bunch but most of them are extremely good at what they do when healthy.  A few can easily be considered top 5 at their position when healthy.  Probowls will always be a horrible argument on whether or not a player is good.  Not making the all pro team means they weren't considered top 3 or 4 at their position.  So if they are considered 5th best that means it was a bad draft pick since they missed the all pro selection?  Tucker is only the most accurate kicker in NFL history at the moment and his missed the 2014 all pro team.  He must not be that good, right?

[GrimCoconut]

im not writing him off..this isn't an elam situation like i said..

what concerns me is his tracking ability and his movement and his ability to outsmart a cornerback. Will he make plays? yup..but will he be that guy who you would give a second contract to? I don't know..for me..the most important quality in a receiver is his movement savvyness. Mike Wallace is faster than antonio brown by a long shot..but why isn't he even close to his calibre? Movement ..savvy shifts and turns

i don't see that in perriman.

That's not what separates Brown and Wallace. What separates them is what separates Hall of Fame players from good players--effort and attitude

[Sami84]

Always hated the probowlers argument.

 

J.Smith

L.Webb

T.Smith

P.McPhee

T.Jernigan

B.Williams

D.Pitta

K.Osemele

R.Wagner

P.Kruger

J.Tucker

 

Not a probowler in the bunch but most of them are extremely good at what they do when healthy.  A few can easily be considered top 5 at their position when healthy.  Probowls will always be a horrible argument on whether or not a player is good.  Not making the all pro team means they weren't considered top 3 or 4 at their position.  So if they are considered 5th best that means it was a bad draft pick since they missed the all pro selection?  Tucker is only the most accurate kicker in NFL history at the moment and his missed the 2014 all pro team.  He must not be that good, right?

 

fixed..some of the guys you mentioned here have actually been pretty underwhelming or unproven..so i deleted the ones. Arthur jones was a product of better players around him. He isn't that good.

Edited May 11, 2015 by Sami84

[Sami84]

That's not what separates Brown and Wallace. What separates them is what separates Hall of Fame players from good players--effort and attitude

 

I think thats true but when it comes to wide receivers its about savvyness and understanding the field..having QB vision so to speak..

[K-Dog]

I REALLY hope the "pro bowl" is not the standard by which we judge our players.

 

Pro bowl = popularity contest.

[PurpleCity5]

its FA and some of the old timers.

guys like suggs yanda ngata doom daryl smith etc

thats why i prefer FA..you know what you are getting

This is what F.O usually does. And the point of no Pro Bowl players since 2009 or so...we've won a SB, taken two trips to AFC title games and made the playoffs all but once. Oz always puts togethor a winning team at the end of the day.

[Jaydoog]

Always hated the probowlers argument.

J.Smith

L.Webb

T.Smith

P.McPhee

T.Jernigan

B.Williams

D.Pitta

C.Upshaw

K.Osemele

K.Juszczyk

R.Wagner

J.Urschel

P.Kruger

A.Jones

J.Tucker

Not a probowler in the bunch but most of them are extremely good at what they do when healthy. A few can easily be considered top 5 at their position when healthy. Probowls will always be a horrible argument on whether or not a player is good. Not making the all pro team means they weren't considered top 3 or 4 at their position. So if they are considered 5th best that means it was a bad draft pick since they missed the all pro selection? Tucker is only the most accurate kicker in NFL history at the moment and his missed the 2014 all pro team. He must not be that good, right?

Tucker went

[sflegend89]

I don't think anyone would have complained about Byron Jones or trading back.

 

I was actually hoping the Steelers took Byron Jones, not that he can't potentially be a good corner or anything but he's a better athlete than he is a football player. You never know with corners, Morris Claiborne was a MUCH better prospect coming out of college and he's pretty much flopped in Dallas. I'm happier with Perriman, if you're going to go for a "boom or bust" player I would rather it be at WR where we don't already have anyone like BP than at CB where at least we already have Jimmy who is a proven shutdown guy.

 

Jones has more the skill set of a FS than a corner anyway, potential? yes. Safer pick than BP? No. I would have been game for trading back though, getting an extra 3rd rounder and taking Devin Smith would've been cool but if we weren't ahead of the Jets we would've missed out on all the top WR's (in my opinion) anyway. Besides DS what player was worth trading back for at the top of the 2nd? We probably would've taken Maxx with the pick if we traded back so it definitely worked out for us by just picking at 26.

[ellicottraven]

I was actually hoping the Steelers took Byron Jones, not that he can't potentially be a good corner or anything but he's a better athlete than he is a football player. You never know with corners, Morris Claiborne was a MUCH better prospect coming out of college and he's pretty much flopped in Dallas. I'm happier with Perriman, if you're going to go for a "boom or bust" player I would rather it be at WR where we don't already have anyone like BP than at CB where at least we already have Jimmy who is a proven shutdown guy.

 

Jones has more the skill set of a FS than a corner anyway, potential? yes. Safer pick than BP? No. I would have been game for trading back though, getting an extra 3rd rounder and taking Devin Smith would've been cool but if we weren't ahead of the Jets we would've missed out on all the top WR's (in my opinion) anyway. Besides DS what player was worth trading back for at the top of the 2nd? We probably would've taken Maxx with the pick if we traded back so it definitely worked out for us by just picking at 26.

I thought about the same thing and concluded that if we had to pick in the mid 30s after trading back, I think we would've ended up picking Maxx Williams anyway.

[harfordravenfan]

its FA and some of the old timers.

guys like suggs yanda ngata doom daryl smith etc

thats why i prefer FA..you know what you are getting

Thought you'd be a fan of the raiders, eagles, or any other team loading up on free agents. How many times has primarily using fa's worked? Think I remember a year the raiders only had 1 pick after trading the others away (failed and they still can't consistently win) Edited May 11, 2015 by harfordravenfan

[52520Andrew]

Seriously, evaluating players or picks on Pro Bowls is not smart. You would think with all the FAs we seem to lose every year that the F.O. is doing something right with their draft picks

[Purple Punishment]

Seriously, evaluating players or picks on Pro Bowls is not smart. You would think with all the FAs we seem to lose every year that the F.O. is doing something right with their draft picks

I agree. Didn't Derek Anderson make it to a pro bowl? Players can have one good season and fall off to never see their performance at that level again

[757RavensFan]

outside of CJ mosley we have drafted a grand total of 

 

0 pro bowlers or all pros since 2009

 

 

you could say we have had solid draft picks but nothing special. Mosely has been the first in half a decade

 

Well when you typically draft in the low to mid 20s, you're not going to get that special player that turns into a Pro bowler.

[Purple_City39]

Tucker went

Yeah I meant to just include Tucker about the All Pro part and ended up putting him on the probowl list in error

[TXRavensFan]

and i think the speed is very apparent on tape, he just plays a more well rounded game than torrey and he gears up and down to his advantage and is changing direction more often than a typical straight line burner, while torrey ever since college just steps on the gas and goes, that may be whats making you think torrey is faster. next time youre watching perriman, see how lethal he is when he gets the ball in his hands and he gears up, he almost always pulls away in dramatic fashion

 

One of the catches that impressed me was the 90 yard TD he caught from Bortles...specifically when he cuts inside from the sideline. You can see a db running at top speed from the middle of the field, with an angle on Perriman, and when the db gets close, he turns it back to the goal line and hits the jets, leaving the db unable to close. Not many receivers could change direction and gear up that fast.

[jazz1988]

I was actually hoping the Steelers took Byron Jones, not that he can't potentially be a good corner or anything but he's a better athlete than he is a football player. You never know with corners, Morris Claiborne was a MUCH better prospect coming out of college and he's pretty much flopped in Dallas. I'm happier with Perriman, if you're going to go for a "boom or bust" player I would rather it be at WR where we don't already have anyone like BP than at CB where at least we already have Jimmy who is a proven shutdown guy.

 

Jones has more the skill set of a FS than a corner anyway, potential? yes. Safer pick than BP? No. I would have been game for trading back though, getting an extra 3rd rounder and taking Devin Smith would've been cool but if we weren't ahead of the Jets we would've missed out on all the top WR's (in my opinion) anyway. Besides DS what player was worth trading back for at the top of the 2nd? We probably would've taken Maxx with the pick if we traded back so it definitely worked out for us by just picking at 26.

 

According to PFF  college quarterbacks throwing into Byron Jones  direction  had an NFL passer rating of just 26.3. The guy can play. I was really impressed with Jones after watching tape and honestly getting a understanding of what his character was like on the field. I honestly thought for sure he would be drafted by The Ravens if available but we took Perriman instead which is something I was pleased with.

 

I wasn't really sure if Perriman was on The Ravens radar because he was pretty raw as receiver but his upside is just undeniable so I really understand why they took him.

[sflegend89]

According to PFF  college quarterbacks throwing into Byron Jones  direction  had an NFL passer rating of just 26.3. The guy can play. I was really impressed with Jones after watching tape and honestly getting a understanding of what his character was like on the field. I honestly thought for sure he would be drafted by The Ravens if available but we took Perriman instead which is something I was pleased with.

 

I wasn't really sure if Perriman was on The Ravens radar because he was pretty raw as receiver but his upside is just undeniable so I really understand why they took him.

 

Jones has potential and could be a good corner in this league.. but like I said he's more of a FS that they stuck at corner. Turn on tape of Morris Claiborne at LSU, he dominated way more than Byron Jones against better competition in the SEC, consensus top 10 pick, you watch him in college and think "This kid is a stud".. total flop in Dallas. Just the nature of the position, Byron Jones reminds me a lot of Justin Gilbert who has the size and combine numbers as well, great athlete, he really struggled his rookie season and he was a top 10 pick and was regarded as a much better prospect.

 

It's not like we didn't take Jones because we wanted a WR more, we basically said if Marcus Peters was there he would've been the pick even over BP. I agree with our scouting assessment, Peters and Kevin Johnson were the two corners worth taking at 26 (besides Waynes but he was long gone). The Steelers desperately needed a corner and they passed on Jones, Panthers desperately needed a corner and passed on him, we are pretty dang good at drafting corners early and we passed on him, I see him as one of the biggest risks in the 1st round and Dallas has a knack for trying to make sexy picks, plus they are frustrated with Claiborne and were specifically going after a corner.

 

Again, I think Byron Jones does have potential.. not surprised at all that we didn't draft him though. He's not on the same level as Peters or Johnson. 

[-Truth-]

One of the catches that impressed me was the 90 yard TD he caught from Bortles...specifically when he cuts inside from the sideline. You can see a db running at top speed from the middle of the field, with an angle on Perriman, and when the db gets close, he turns it back to the goal line and hits the jets, leaving the db unable to close. Not many receivers could change direction and gear up that fast.

 

I'm not attempting to make a direct comparison to the player, but I found the aforementioned play eerily similar to this one.

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm not attempting to make a direct comparison to the player, but I found the aforementioned play eerily similar to this one.

that was scary. i actually laughed and said "oh my god" watching that

[TXRavensFan]

I'm not attempting to make a direct comparison to the player, but I found the aforementioned play eerily similar to this one.

 

Holy receptions, Batman, you're right, they're almost identical - down to the db flying in from the other side of the field at the last second.

Edited May 13, 2015 by TXRavensFan

[usmccharles]

After watching a lot of his tape, one thing I noticed. His qb could never quite lead him far enough, I saw a lot of catches where he has to come back to the ball. With Joes arm it will be interesting to see the difference and I think BP will be able to track the ball just fine.

[Ravenseconbeast]

I actually think Strong was massively overvalued by fans here. He's gonna struggle a lot in the beginning because he could just not separate from almost any CB.

His stock drove up like crazy after combine. Anyone ever thought he was more than 2nd round before that?

Never invest on players that shoots up after combine....they will never meet the expectation. I think grabbing strong @2/3rd is where he is at. Value for Texans.

[BmoreBird22]

His stock drove up like crazy after combine. Anyone ever thought he was more than 2nd round before that?

Never invest on players that shoots up after combine....they will never meet the expectation. I think grabbing strong @2/3rd is where he is at. Value for Texans.

I had Strong as a mid to late second rounder always